Unintended Consequences when LIBERALISM takes control.....

[Mikeoxenormous]

Obamacare sticker shock: Price hikes are on the way I TOLD YOU SO.
ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES.
HOPE AND CHANGE..... ROTFLMAO.....

At least you're on-topic for a change, but there are several threads about this already, some of them several months old. You'll catch up eventually.

Since you are a liberal , you will never catch up, just be left in the dust and then you will demand "FAIRNESS" once again, to steal money from those you so despise.

Excellent post - as on-topic as the thread itself, free of meaningful content, and well within the rules of the forum. Do it again.

At least you're on-topic for a change, but there are several threads about this already, some of them several months old. You'll catch up eventually.

Must really piss you off, when you are proven wrong time and again, as typical of a liberal. You will save $2,500 on healthcare.....ROTFLMAO...

Some actual content this time. Progress.

Some actual content this time. Progress

From a liberal, bwahhhhhaaaaaaaaaa

 

[Arianrhod]

At least you're on-topic for a change, but there are several threads about this already, some of them several months old. You'll catch up eventually.

Since you are a liberal , you will never catch up, just be left in the dust and then you will demand "FAIRNESS" once again, to steal money from those you so despise.

Excellent post - as on-topic as the thread itself, free of meaningful content, and well within the rules of the forum. Do it again.

At least you're on-topic for a change, but there are several threads about this already, some of them several months old. You'll catch up eventually.

Must really piss you off, when you are proven wrong time and again, as typical of a liberal. You will save $2,500 on healthcare.....ROTFLMAO...

Some actual content this time. Progress.

Some actual content this time. Progress

From a liberal, bwahhhhhaaaaaaaaaa

You're characterizing yourself as a liberal now?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Health costs for a typical American family just topped $25,000

The $25,826 in health-care costs for a typical family of four covered by a employer-sponsored "preferred provider plan" is $1,155 higher than last year, and triple what it cost to provide health care for the same family in 2001, the first year that Milliman Medical Index analysis was done.

You will save $2,500 on your health insurance.... ROTFLMAO.... too funny....

 

[Arianrhod]

Health costs for a typical American family just topped $25,000

The $25,826 in health-care costs for a typical family of four covered by a employer-sponsored "preferred provider plan" is $1,155 higher than last year, and triple what it cost to provide health care for the same family in 2001, the first year that Milliman Medical Index analysis was done.

You will save $2,500 on your health insurance.... ROTFLMAO.... too funny....

Finally some actual content buried in the repetition. Note that the Milliman report (linked to in the blog you posted), states "our lowest annual increase in 15 years."

According to the RW cadre on this board, the poor widdle insurance companies are destitute (although the stock exchange belies them).

And over 90% of Americans now have health insurance.

So you guys need to coordinate your talking points. Just looping "You will save $2,500 on your health insurance" isn't helping you.

 

[dblack]

Health costs for a typical American family just topped $25,000

The $25,826 in health-care costs for a typical family of four covered by a employer-sponsored "preferred provider plan" is $1,155 higher than last year, and triple what it cost to provide health care for the same family in 2001, the first year that Milliman Medical Index analysis was done.

You will save $2,500 on your health insurance.... ROTFLMAO.... too funny....

Finally some actual content buried in the repetition. Note that the Milliman report (linked to in the blog you posted), states "our lowest annual increase in 15 years."

According to the RW cadre on this board, the poor widdle insurance companies are destitute (although the stock exchange belies them).

And over 90% of Americans now have health insurance.

So you guys need to coordinate your talking points. Just looping "You will save $2,500 on your health insurance" isn't helping you.

I tend to agree. The specifics can be spun any which way and are irrelevant to the reason I oppose ACA. Even if all the numbers were coming in, I'd still oppose it because of the way it grants power over our health care decisions to government and its corporate sponsors.

 

[Arianrhod]

I'd still oppose it because of the way it grants power over our health care decisions to government and its corporate sponsors.

I'm still not clear on what you mean by this. My healthcare decisions are between me and my doctor. Prior to 2014, a lot of those decisions were hampered by snooty decisions on the part of insurers, but the only "government interference" involved not allowing patients to purchase insurance across state lines.

And if you challenge that the States Rights people get vewwy, vewwy upsetted.

 

[dblack]

I'd still oppose it because of the way it grants power over our health care decisions to government and its corporate sponsors.

I'm still not clear on what you mean by this. My healthcare decisions are between me and my doctor.

No. The most important health care decision of all, how to finance it, has been co-opted by corporatist government. Everything else follows from that.

 

[Arianrhod]

I'd still oppose it because of the way it grants power over our health care decisions to government and its corporate sponsors.

I'm still not clear on what you mean by this. My healthcare decisions are between me and my doctor.

No. The most important health care decision of all, how to finance it, has been co-opted by corporatist government. Everything else follows from that.

That happened the first time the law allowed for-profit insurers to enter the market. It was exacerbated by denying consumers the right to purchase insurance across state lines.

You're a few decades late.

 

[dblack]

I'd still oppose it because of the way it grants power over our health care decisions to government and its corporate sponsors.

I'm still not clear on what you mean by this. My healthcare decisions are between me and my doctor.

No. The most important health care decision of all, how to finance it, has been co-opted by corporatist government. Everything else follows from that.

That happened the first time the law allowed for-profit insurers to enter the market. It was exacerbated by denying consumers the right to purchase insurance across state lines.

You're a few decades late.

Not really. Up until ACA we were free to tell insurers to get fucked. The entire point of ACA is to eliminate that option.

 

[Arianrhod]

I'd still oppose it because of the way it grants power over our health care decisions to government and its corporate sponsors.

I'm still not clear on what you mean by this. My healthcare decisions are between me and my doctor.

No. The most important health care decision of all, how to finance it, has been co-opted by corporatist government. Everything else follows from that.

That happened the first time the law allowed for-profit insurers to enter the market. It was exacerbated by denying consumers the right to purchase insurance across state lines.

You're a few decades late.

Not really. Up until ACA we were free to tell insurers to get fucked.

And then wish you hadn't when the bill for your broken leg or auto accident showed up. That's not what some people would define as "freedom."

Challenge: If dblack were in charge, how would Americans afford healthcare?

I'll hold off on mentioning "paying for cancer regimens with chickens" until you've had a chance to work out a viable system.

 

[dblack]

I'd still oppose it because of the way it grants power over our health care decisions to government and its corporate sponsors.

I'm still not clear on what you mean by this. My healthcare decisions are between me and my doctor.

No. The most important health care decision of all, how to finance it, has been co-opted by corporatist government. Everything else follows from that.

That happened the first time the law allowed for-profit insurers to enter the market. It was exacerbated by denying consumers the right to purchase insurance across state lines.

You're a few decades late.

Not really. Up until ACA we were free to tell insurers to get fucked.

And then wish you hadn't when the bill for your broken leg or auto accident showed up.

Maybe. Maybe not. But we were free to make the call. They've taken that from us.

That's not what some people would define as "freedom."

Sad, but true. Far too many people don't understand what freedom means or why it's important.

Challenge: If dblack were in charge, how would Americans afford healthcare?

However they want. I wouldn't presume to make that decision for someone else.

 

[Arianrhod]

Maybe. Maybe not. But we were free to make the call. They've taken that from us.

It's difficult for me to understand the concept of "I'll roll the dice and if I end up filing for bankruptcy because I happened to get cancer or an expensive chronic, degenerative disease, well, fuck it." To me it's bad enough being slammed with the disease, but losing your savings and your house and any hope for your children's future in addition just seems untenable.

IMO, the only people who can shrug and say "Who fuckin' cares?" are those who've never faced or even thought about that decision.

That's not what some people would define as "freedom."

Sad, but true. Far too many people don't understand what freedom means or why it's important.

Silly me, I'd define "being able to survive chemo without losing my house and my children's college fund" as a form of freedom.

Challenge: If dblack were in charge, how would Americans afford healthcare?

However they want. I wouldn't presume to make that decision for someone else.

So you have no solution, not even any suggestions. All you know is that you're personally unhappy with the situation that exists and how it affects you personally...which you don't want to talk about.

Makes it a little difficult to get beyond "I don't wanna, I don't wanna, I don't wanna!!!!"

 

[dblack]

Maybe. Maybe not. But we were free to make the call. They've taken that from us.

It's difficult for me to understand the concept of "I'll roll the dice and if I end up filing for bankruptcy because I happened to get cancer or an expensive chronic, degenerative disease, well, fuck it." To me it's bad enough being slammed with the disease, but losing your savings and your house and any hope for your children's future in addition just seems untenable.

IMO, the only people who can shrug and say "Who fuckin' cares?" are those who've never faced or even thought about that decision.

Why would you suggest that that is what I'm saying? Other than to provoke me?

That's not what some people would define as "freedom."

Sad, but true. Far too many people don't understand what freedom means or why it's important.

Silly me, I'd define "being able to survive chemo without losing my house and my children's college fund" as a form of freedom.

Yes. You are one of those I claim has no fundamental conception of freedom.

Challenge: If dblack were in charge, how would Americans afford healthcare?

However they want. I wouldn't presume to make that decision for someone else.

So you have no solution, not even any suggestions.

Heh... I have lots of solutions and suggestions. Like I said, search the health care boards for my posts - particularly those when ACA was still being debated. Or just try to recall some of the discussions we've had.

What you can't accept is that I don't think anyone, least of all me, should be 'in charge' of telling other people how to manage their expenses.

All you know is that you're personally unhappy with the situation that exists and how it affects you personally...which you don't want to talk about.

Makes it a little difficult to get beyond "I don't wanna, I don't wanna, I don't wanna!!!!"

There you are, back in form. Ad-hom and silly insults. Trolling is really your go-to move, isn't it? Does that ever cause you concern over the weakness of your arguments?

 

[Arianrhod]

Maybe. Maybe not. But we were free to make the call. They've taken that from us.

It's difficult for me to understand the concept of "I'll roll the dice and if I end up filing for bankruptcy because I happened to get cancer or an expensive chronic, degenerative disease, well, fuck it." To me it's bad enough being slammed with the disease, but losing your savings and your house and any hope for your children's future in addition just seems untenable.

IMO, the only people who can shrug and say "Who fuckin' cares?" are those who've never faced or even thought about that decision.

Why would you suggest that that is what I'm saying? Other than to provoke me?

That's not what some people would define as "freedom."

Sad, but true. Far too many people don't understand what freedom means or why it's important.

Silly me, I'd define "being able to survive chemo without losing my house and my children's college fund" as a form of freedom.

Yes. You are one of those I claim has no fundamental conception of freedom.

Challenge: If dblack were in charge, how would Americans afford healthcare?

However they want. I wouldn't presume to make that decision for someone else.

So you have no solution, not even any suggestions.

Heh... I have lots of solutions and suggestions. Like I said, search the health care boards for my posts - particularly those when ACA was still being debated. Or just try to recall some of the discussions we've had.

What you can't accept is that I don't think anyone, least of all me, should be 'in charge' of telling other people how to manage their expenses.

All you know is that you're personally unhappy with the situation that exists and how it affects you personally...which you don't want to talk about.

Makes it a little difficult to get beyond "I don't wanna, I don't wanna, I don't wanna!!!!"

There you are, back in form. Ad-hom and silly insults. Trolling is really your go-to move, isn't it? Does that ever cause you concern over the weakness of your arguments?

How long did it take you to type all that as compared to how long it would take you to say "See Post X in Thread Z where I state unequivocally what I believe on this topic"?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

I'd still oppose it because of the way it grants power over our health care decisions to government and its corporate sponsors.

I'm still not clear on what you mean by this. My healthcare decisions are between me and my doctor.

No. The most important health care decision of all, how to finance it, has been co-opted by corporatist government. Everything else follows from that.

That happened the first time the law allowed for-profit insurers to enter the market. It was exacerbated by denying consumers the right to purchase insurance across state lines.

You're a few decades late.

Not really. Up until ACA we were free to tell insurers to get fucked.

And then wish you hadn't when the bill for your broken leg or auto accident showed up. That's not what some people would define as "freedom."

Challenge: If dblack were in charge, how would Americans afford healthcare?

I'll hold off on mentioning "paying for cancer regimens with chickens" until you've had a chance to work out a viable system.

At one time before the liberals of the early 1900's decided to make the FITW permanent, people would go to work and actually keep more of their money which was used to pay for food , fuel , healthcare and other necessities of life. But then with the insidious monthly tax , it took money away from the working class, while MEDICAID was provided to give those who sat in their parents basement a way for medical services.(oh I wasn't supposed to say that was I?) So the next thing the employers did was provide FREE healthcare to those who worked for that company because it was an incentive to get the best people to come to that company. But then once again, those miserable liberals didn't think it was fair, that MEDICAID patients not get the same great service those who actually worked got, so they had to FORCE upon everyone, a bullshit system that has screwed over everyone, except the very liberals who wrote themselves out of the healthcare law. You are such a dipshit. Let me say it again, YOU ARE SUCH A DIPSHIT......

 

[Arianrhod]

I'm still not clear on what you mean by this. My healthcare decisions are between me and my doctor.

No. The most important health care decision of all, how to finance it, has been co-opted by corporatist government. Everything else follows from that.

That happened the first time the law allowed for-profit insurers to enter the market. It was exacerbated by denying consumers the right to purchase insurance across state lines.

You're a few decades late.

Not really. Up until ACA we were free to tell insurers to get fucked.

And then wish you hadn't when the bill for your broken leg or auto accident showed up. That's not what some people would define as "freedom."

Challenge: If dblack were in charge, how would Americans afford healthcare?

I'll hold off on mentioning "paying for cancer regimens with chickens" until you've had a chance to work out a viable system.

At one time before the liberals of the early 1900's decided to make the FITW permanent, people would go to work and actually keep more of their money which was used to pay for food , fuel , healthcare and other necessities of life. But then with the insidious monthly tax , it took money away from the working class, while MEDICAID was provided to give those who sat in their parents basement a way for medical services.(oh I wasn't supposed to say that was I?) So the next thing the employers did was provide FREE healthcare to those who worked for that company because it was an incentive to get the best people to come to that company.

Alternative histories are such fun.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

No. The most important health care decision of all, how to finance it, has been co-opted by corporatist government. Everything else follows from that.

That happened the first time the law allowed for-profit insurers to enter the market. It was exacerbated by denying consumers the right to purchase insurance across state lines.

You're a few decades late.

Not really. Up until ACA we were free to tell insurers to get fucked.

And then wish you hadn't when the bill for your broken leg or auto accident showed up. That's not what some people would define as "freedom."

Challenge: If dblack were in charge, how would Americans afford healthcare?

I'll hold off on mentioning "paying for cancer regimens with chickens" until you've had a chance to work out a viable system.

At one time before the liberals of the early 1900's decided to make the FITW permanent, people would go to work and actually keep more of their money which was used to pay for food , fuel , healthcare and other necessities of life. But then with the insidious monthly tax , it took money away from the working class, while MEDICAID was provided to give those who sat in their parents basement a way for medical services.(oh I wasn't supposed to say that was I?) So the next thing the employers did was provide FREE healthcare to those who worked for that company because it was an incentive to get the best people to come to that company.

Alternative histories are such fun.

Yes, you libidiots have been trying to change history since after the Southern White Democrats were hanging black and white republicans. I mean as the racists you liberals were and still are, you hate it when we point out time after time how you have and are still trying to turn America into another Cuba. But since after 7 1/2 years of the first White black president and his socialist ways, the people are tired of liberalism. It happened with Carter(12 years no democrat) and with Obama(could be 20 years no democrat). There is a silver lining for you libidiots though. Cuba is open for business, go apply for a job there and work for the Castro brothers, you will be in your socialist utopia.

 

[Arianrhod]

That happened the first time the law allowed for-profit insurers to enter the market. It was exacerbated by denying consumers the right to purchase insurance across state lines.

You're a few decades late.

Not really. Up until ACA we were free to tell insurers to get fucked.

And then wish you hadn't when the bill for your broken leg or auto accident showed up. That's not what some people would define as "freedom."

Challenge: If dblack were in charge, how would Americans afford healthcare?

I'll hold off on mentioning "paying for cancer regimens with chickens" until you've had a chance to work out a viable system.

At one time before the liberals of the early 1900's decided to make the FITW permanent, people would go to work and actually keep more of their money which was used to pay for food , fuel , healthcare and other necessities of life. But then with the insidious monthly tax , it took money away from the working class, while MEDICAID was provided to give those who sat in their parents basement a way for medical services.(oh I wasn't supposed to say that was I?) So the next thing the employers did was provide FREE healthcare to those who worked for that company because it was an incentive to get the best people to come to that company.

Alternative histories are such fun.

Yes, you libidiots have been trying to change history since after the Southern White Democrats were hanging black and white republicans. I mean as the racists you liberals were and still are, you hate it when we point out time after time how you have and are still trying to turn America into another Cuba. But since after 7 1/2 years of the first White black president and his socialist ways, the people are tired of liberalism. It happened with Carter(12 years no democrat) and with Obama(could be 20 years no democrat). There is a silver lining for you libidiots though. Cuba is open for business, go apply for a job there and work for the Castro brothers, you will be in your socialist utopia.

Sounds a bit more fanciful (but no less inaccurate) than the previous scenario. Are they by the same author?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Not really. Up until ACA we were free to tell insurers to get fucked.

And then wish you hadn't when the bill for your broken leg or auto accident showed up. That's not what some people would define as "freedom."

Challenge: If dblack were in charge, how would Americans afford healthcare?

I'll hold off on mentioning "paying for cancer regimens with chickens" until you've had a chance to work out a viable system.

At one time before the liberals of the early 1900's decided to make the FITW permanent, people would go to work and actually keep more of their money which was used to pay for food , fuel , healthcare and other necessities of life. But then with the insidious monthly tax , it took money away from the working class, while MEDICAID was provided to give those who sat in their parents basement a way for medical services.(oh I wasn't supposed to say that was I?) So the next thing the employers did was provide FREE healthcare to those who worked for that company because it was an incentive to get the best people to come to that company.

Alternative histories are such fun.

Yes, you libidiots have been trying to change history since after the Southern White Democrats were hanging black and white republicans. I mean as the racists you liberals were and still are, you hate it when we point out time after time how you have and are still trying to turn America into another Cuba. But since after 7 1/2 years of the first White black president and his socialist ways, the people are tired of liberalism. It happened with Carter(12 years no democrat) and with Obama(could be 20 years no democrat). There is a silver lining for you libidiots though. Cuba is open for business, go apply for a job there and work for the Castro brothers, you will be in your socialist utopia.

Sounds a bit more fanciful (but no less inaccurate) than the previous scenario. Are they by the same author?

Prove me wrong.

 

[Arianrhod]

And then wish you hadn't when the bill for your broken leg or auto accident showed up. That's not what some people would define as "freedom."

Challenge: If dblack were in charge, how would Americans afford healthcare?

I'll hold off on mentioning "paying for cancer regimens with chickens" until you've had a chance to work out a viable system.

At one time before the liberals of the early 1900's decided to make the FITW permanent, people would go to work and actually keep more of their money which was used to pay for food , fuel , healthcare and other necessities of life. But then with the insidious monthly tax , it took money away from the working class, while MEDICAID was provided to give those who sat in their parents basement a way for medical services.(oh I wasn't supposed to say that was I?) So the next thing the employers did was provide FREE healthcare to those who worked for that company because it was an incentive to get the best people to come to that company.

Alternative histories are such fun.

Yes, you libidiots have been trying to change history since after the Southern White Democrats were hanging black and white republicans. I mean as the racists you liberals were and still are, you hate it when we point out time after time how you have and are still trying to turn America into another Cuba. But since after 7 1/2 years of the first White black president and his socialist ways, the people are tired of liberalism. It happened with Carter(12 years no democrat) and with Obama(could be 20 years no democrat). There is a silver lining for you libidiots though. Cuba is open for business, go apply for a job there and work for the Castro brothers, you will be in your socialist utopia.

Sounds a bit more fanciful (but no less inaccurate) than the previous scenario. Are they by the same author?

Prove me wrong.

You've written these? What are the titles? Are they available for Kindle? Once again, you're in the wrong forum. Isn't there a Writing forum on this board?