UN Maps show we are losing in Afghanistan

[Marc39]

There is no "winning" in Afghanistan.

We should butt out and let them live their lives in the fucking stone age if that's what they want.

Thats what we were doing until 9/11 happened, just because their living like Fred Flinstone doesn't mean they can't be dangerous. There were no US Troops in Afghanistan until 9/11 happened.

So we invaded a whole country and destroyed it looking for ONE man?

btw there was only an estimated 200 Al Qaeda in Afghanistan.

The religion of peace...

Muslim attack on 9/11, killing 3,000
Ongoing Muslim genocide in Darfur and southern Sudan, 4 million killed
Muslims slaughter 60 Christians in church in Iraq
Muslim bombings in Mumbai, India kill 250, 700 injured
Muslim bombings in Londin, 53 killed, 700 injured
Multiple Muslim bombings on trains near Madrid, Spain. 191 killed, 1460 injured
Muslim bombing in Bali nightclub, 202 killed, 300 injured
Muslim bombing attacks in Russia kill 300
Musim attack on Beslan, Russia school, 344 killed including 186 children
Muslim attack on the Christian community in Demsa,
Nigeria, killing 36 people, destroying property and displacing an additional 3000 people
Muslim attack on the Hindu Ram temple in India; one of the most holy sites of Hinduism, 6 dead.
Muslim bombings in India, over 60 killed and over 180 injured in crowded markets and a bus, just 2 days before the Diwali festival
Muslim bombings in Varanasi, India, series of attacks in the Sankath Mochan Hanuman temple and Cantonment Railway Station, 28 killed and over 100 injured
Muslim bombings in India, 21 explosive devices, 56 dead and 200 injured.
Muslim bombings in Delhi, India, 30 people dead and 130 injured, followed by attack two weeks later, 3 people dead.
Muslims kill at least 174 people and wound numerous others in attacks in Mumbai.
Muslims detonate car bomb in Pakistan shopping district, killing over 110 killed and over 200 injured.
Muslim suicide bomber in Somalia detonates in hotel hosting a graduation ceremony for local medical students, killing four government ministers as well as other civilians.
Muslim suicide bomber in Pakistan drove into a volleyball pitch as people gathered to watch a match killing more than 100 people
Muslims attack mosques in Pakistan, killing nearly 100 and injuring many others
Muslim attacks on the Hindu Raghunath temple, India, 25 dead.
Muslim bombing in al-Arbaa, Algeria. 49 dead, 117 injured.
Muslim suicide attack on Indian parliament kills 7, wounds 12
Muslim machine gun attack on Hindu temple in India. 31 dead, 86 injured

Iran Iraq War, 1 million dead
Lebanese Civil War, 250,000 dead
Algerian Civl War: 300,000 dead
Bangladesh Civil War: 500,000 dead
Black Sept., Jordan's King Hussein murders, expells 80,000 Palestinians
Syrian army kills 20,000 Syrians at Hama
Iraq gases hundreds of thousands of Kurds
300 US Marines killed in Beirut
1400 year conflict between Sunnis and Shiites
Fratricide between Hamas and Fatah
Syria/Hizballah assassinate Lebanese PM Rafik Hariri

Alexis de Toqueville...

I studied the Koran a great deal. I came away from that study with the conviction there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammad. So far as I can see, it is the principal cause of the decadence so visible today in the Muslim world and, though less absurd than the polytheism of old, its social and political tendencies are in my opinion to be feared, and I therefore regard it as a form of decadence rather than a form of progress in relation to paganism itself.

Winston Churchill...

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.

The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.

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[High_Gravity]

The entire country did not commit the crimes on 9/11.

A very small group of men did that. And face it 9/11 happened in large part because we were complacent and over confident. We could stop terrorists attack by securing our borders and revamping our security in regards to immigration. There is no need to occupy an entire country.

After 9/11 happened, the US had to do something. The attacks were planned and the people trained in Afghanistan, not doing anything would make the US look weak and invite even more attacks. I do agree however that the war was seriously mismanaged, under manned and underfunded, which is why wer in the situation that we are today in Afghanistan.

We'll have to disagree on the necessity of invading Afghanistan. I do not believe it was necessary.

What should the response have been?

 

[High_Gravity]

There is no "winning" in Afghanistan.

We should butt out and let them live their lives in the fucking stone age if that's what they want.

Thats what we were doing until 9/11 happened, just because their living like Fred Flinstone doesn't mean they can't be dangerous. There were no US Troops in Afghanistan until 9/11 happened.

So we invaded a whole country and destroyed it looking for ONE man?

btw there was only an estimated 200 Al Qaeda in Afghanistan.

The invasion was never about finding 1 person, it was to dismantle the Al Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan and stop them from using Afghanistan as a base. What should we have done Sunni? sit here and do nothing?

 

[Marc39]

There is no "winning" in Afghanistan.

We should butt out and let them live their lives in the fucking stone age if that's what they want.

Thats what we were doing until 9/11 happened, just because their living like Fred Flinstone doesn't mean they can't be dangerous. There were no US Troops in Afghanistan until 9/11 happened.

So we invaded a whole country and destroyed it looking for ONE man?

btw there was only an estimated 200 Al Qaeda in Afghanistan.

Why have Muzzies invaded once-Buddhist Afghanistan and once-Christian and Jewish Middle East, slave of allah?

Muslim Conquests

 

[Skull Pilot]

After 9/11 happened, the US had to do something. The attacks were planned and the people trained in Afghanistan, not doing anything would make the US look weak and invite even more attacks. I do agree however that the war was seriously mismanaged, under manned and underfunded, which is why wer in the situation that we are today in Afghanistan.

We'll have to disagree on the necessity of invading Afghanistan. I do not believe it was necessary.

What should the response have been?

Covert Black ops to take out the people involved not the whole scale invasion of 2 countries.

Then we slam our borders shut, revamp our own border security and make it impossible to come to America and over stay a visa or to be here illegally

 

[Sunni Man]

The invasion was never about finding 1 person, it was to dismantle the Al Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan and stop them from using Afghanistan as a base. What should we have done Sunni? sit here and do nothing?

We could have pinpointed any area of the country we thought Al Qaeda was hiding and flooded it with air strikes and troops.

After we had taken care of business. Air lifted our people out and hit another suspected AQ site.

Instead, we invaded the whole country and chased a bunch of Taliban.

Who were just mainly a bunch of farmers and had zero connection to 9/11 or Al Qaeda.

 

[Marc39]

Freedom and Shariah don't belong in the same sentence Sunni and you know that.

Under Sharia muslim people have the God given Freedoms to live a live pleasing to their Creator.

Sharia law = Female Genital Mutilation To Destroy Sexual Response

Umdat al-Salik wa Uddat al-Nasik

E4.3 Circumcision is obligatory (O: for both men and women. For men it consists of removing the prepuce from the penis, and for women, removing the prepuce (Ar. Bazr) of the clitoris

Reliance of The Traveller: Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law

 

[High_Gravity]

The invasion was never about finding 1 person, it was to dismantle the Al Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan and stop them from using Afghanistan as a base. What should we have done Sunni? sit here and do nothing?

We could have pinpointed any area of the country we thought Al Qaeda was hiding and flooded it with air strikes and troops.

After we had taken care of business. Air lifted our people out and hit another suspected AQ site.

Instead, we invaded the whole country and chased a bunch of Taliban.

Who were just mainly a bunch of farmers and had zero connection to 9/11 or Al Qaeda.

The Taliban consider Al Qaeda their guests and helped train them and supply them places to plan and launch their attacks, I don't believe they had 0 connection to 9/11. Plus if they were just a bunch of farmers like you say this war would have been over years ago, these are experienced fighters with decades of combat experience.

 

[Marc39]

Who were just mainly a bunch of farmers and had zero connection to 9/11 or Al Qaeda.

But, 9/11 has 100% connection with Islam, slave of allah.

Osama bin Laden...

Those who want people to worship the lord of the people, without following that doctrine, will be following the doctrine of Muhammad, peace be upon him.

I was ordered to fight the people until they say there is no god but Allah, and his prophet Muhammad.'

washingtonpost.com

 

[Sunni Man]

Plus if they were just a bunch of farmers like you say this war would have been over years ago, these are experienced fighters with decades of combat experience.

The Taliban are basically citizen soldiers much like the Minute Men during the Revolutionary War.

Yes, they had decades of experience, but hardly any heavy weapons and no air force or navy.

To say they were/are a threat to the U.S. soil is absurd.

 

[High_Gravity]

Plus if they were just a bunch of farmers like you say this war would have been over years ago, these are experienced fighters with decades of combat experience.

The Taliban are basically citizen soldiers much like the Minute Men during the Revolutionary War.

Yes, they had decades of experience, but hardly any heavy weapons and no air force or navy.

To say they were/are a threat to the U.S. soil is absurd.

The Taliban were given an offer to hand over Bin Laden and his top Al Qaeda deputies before they war but they refused the offer. Plus the Taliban is a Guerilla force, these kinds of forces do not need an Air Force or Navy to be effective.

 

[Sunni Man]

The Taliban were given an offer to hand over Bin Laden and his top Al Qaeda deputies before they war but they refused the offer. Plus the Taliban is a Guerilla force, these kinds of forces do not need an Air Force or Navy to be effective.

Incorrect.

They offered to hand over Bin Laden and Pres. Bush refused.


Bush rejects Taliban offer to surrender bin Laden

After a week of debilitating strikes at targets across Afghanistan, the Taliban repeated an offer to hand over Osama bin Laden, only to be rejected by President Bush.

After a week of debilitating strikes at targets across Afghanistan, the Taliban repeated an offer to hand over Osama bin Laden, only to be rejected by President Bush.

The offer yesterday from Haji Abdul Kabir, the Taliban's deputy prime minister, to surrender Mr bin Laden if America would halt its bombing and provide evidence against the Saudi-born dissident was not new but it suggested the Taliban are increasingly weary of the air strikes, which have crippled much of their military and communications assets.

The move came as the Taliban granted foreign journalists unprecedented access to the interior for the first time. Reporters were escorted to the village of Karam in southern Afghanistan, where the Taliban said up to 200 civilians were killed in an American bombardment last Wednesday.

Mr Kabir said: "If America were to step back from the current policy, then we could negotiate." Mr bin Laden could be handed over to a third country for trial, he said. "We could discuss which third country."

But as American warplanes entered the second week of the bombing campaign, Washington rejected the Taliban offer out of hand. "When I said no negotiations I meant no negotiations," Mr Bush said. "We know he's guilty. Turn him over. There's no need to discuss innocence or guilt."

Bush rejects Taliban offer to surrender bin Laden - Asia, World - The Independent

 

[High_Gravity]

The Taliban were given an offer to hand over Bin Laden and his top Al Qaeda deputies before they war but they refused the offer. Plus the Taliban is a Guerilla force, these kinds of forces do not need an Air Force or Navy to be effective.

Incorrect.

They offered to hand over Bin Laden and Pres. Bush refused.


Bush rejects Taliban offer to surrender bin Laden

After a week of debilitating strikes at targets across Afghanistan, the Taliban repeated an offer to hand over Osama bin Laden, only to be rejected by President Bush.

After a week of debilitating strikes at targets across Afghanistan, the Taliban repeated an offer to hand over Osama bin Laden, only to be rejected by President Bush.

The offer yesterday from Haji Abdul Kabir, the Taliban's deputy prime minister, to surrender Mr bin Laden if America would halt its bombing and provide evidence against the Saudi-born dissident was not new but it suggested the Taliban are increasingly weary of the air strikes, which have crippled much of their military and communications assets.

The move came as the Taliban granted foreign journalists unprecedented access to the interior for the first time. Reporters were escorted to the village of Karam in southern Afghanistan, where the Taliban said up to 200 civilians were killed in an American bombardment last Wednesday.

Mr Kabir said: "If America were to step back from the current policy, then we could negotiate." Mr bin Laden could be handed over to a third country for trial, he said. "We could discuss which third country."But as American warplanes entered the second week of the bombing campaign, Washington rejected the Taliban offer out of hand. "When I said no negotiations I meant no negotiations," Mr Bush said. "We know he's guilty. Turn him over. There's no need to discuss innocence or guilt."

Bush rejects Taliban offer to surrender bin Laden - Asia, World - The Independent

Read what its in the article, the Taliban offered to hand Bin Laden over to a third party country, not to the US itself and they still wanted more proof of his guilt. They were not serious about handing him or his deputies over to the US. Plus at the time they really wanted the air strikes to stop, and were stalling for time.

 

[Sunni Man]

Read what its in the article, the Taliban offered to hand Bin Laden over to a third party country, not to the US itself and they still wanted more proof of his guilt. They were not serious about handing him over his deputies over to the US.

That's because at the time the U.S. had NO proof of his guilt.

So they wanted to hand him over to a third party and not to the blood thirsty Bush administration.

Now almost 10 years later, thousands of dead American soldiers, and a trillion dollars later.

We are still looking for him.

Still think the retard Bush made the right call??

 

[High_Gravity]

Read what its in the article, the Taliban offered to hand Bin Laden over to a third party country, not to the US itself and they still wanted more proof of his guilt. They were not serious about handing him over his deputies over to the US.

That's because at the time the U.S. had NO proof of his guilt.

So they wanted to hand him over to a third party and not to the blood thirsty Bush administration.

Now almost 10 years and a trillion dollars later. We are still looking for him.

Still think the retard Bush made the right call??

Well I do think Bush under funded, under manned and just mismanaged the work in Afghanistan. Until recently we only had 10,000 US Troops in that country, a country much bigger, more diverse and more dangerous than Iraq. The results we are seeing now is because of all those problems in the past, there never were enough people or resources on the ground in Afghanistan to get it right and it looks like there still isn't.

 

[Sunni Man]

Well I do think Bush under funded, under manned and just mismanaged the work in Afghanistan. Until recently we only had 10,000 US Troops in that country, a country much bigger, more diverse and more dangerous than Iraq. The results we are seeing now is because of all those problems in the past, there never were enough people or resources on the ground in Afghanistan to get it right and it looks like there still isn't.

The Afghans have been fighting invaders for generations.

It's in their blood, culture, and tradition.

Even if we had a million troops over there we still couldn't defeat them.

They would fight to the last afghan to defend their country, culture, and religion.

 

[Marc39]

Well I do think Bush under funded, under manned and just mismanaged the work in Afghanistan. Until recently we only had 10,000 US Troops in that country, a country much bigger, more diverse and more dangerous than Iraq. The results we are seeing now is because of all those problems in the past, there never were enough people or resources on the ground in Afghanistan to get it right and it looks like there still isn't.

The Afghans have been fighting invaders for generations.

It's in their blood, culture, and tradition.

Even if we had a million troops over there we still couldn't defeat them.

They would fight to the last afghan to defend their country, culture, and religion.

Er, the Muzzies invaded Afghanistan, when it was a Buddhist country. Ever open a history book, Abu?

Oh, that's right, Muzzies LIBERATED Afghanistan from the Buddhist idolators, according to allah's will

Quran 9:5...
Then when the Sacred Months have passed, then kill the idolaters wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), and give Zakât, then leave their way free. Verily, Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful

 

[High_Gravity]

Well I do think Bush under funded, under manned and just mismanaged the work in Afghanistan. Until recently we only had 10,000 US Troops in that country, a country much bigger, more diverse and more dangerous than Iraq. The results we are seeing now is because of all those problems in the past, there never were enough people or resources on the ground in Afghanistan to get it right and it looks like there still isn't.

The Afghans have been fighting invaders for generations.

It's in their blood, culture, and tradition.

Even if we had a million troops over there we still couldn't defeat them.

They would fight to the last afghan to defend their country, culture, and religion.

Er, the Muzzies invaded Afghanistan, when it was a Buddhist country. Ever open a history book, Abu?

Oh, that's right, Muzzies LIBERATED Afghanistan from the Buddhist idolators, according to allah's will

Quran 9:5...
Then when the Sacred Months have passed, then kill the idolaters wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), and give Zakât, then leave their way free. Verily, Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful

Buddhism in Afghanistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Marc39]

The Afghans have been fighting invaders for generations.

It's in their blood, culture, and tradition.

Even if we had a million troops over there we still couldn't defeat them.

They would fight to the last afghan to defend their country, culture, and religion.

Er, the Muzzies invaded Afghanistan, when it was a Buddhist country. Ever open a history book, Abu?

Oh, that's right, Muzzies LIBERATED Afghanistan from the Buddhist idolators, according to allah's will

Quran 9:5...
Then when the Sacred Months have passed, then kill the idolaters wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), and give Zakât, then leave their way free. Verily, Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful

Buddhism in Afghanistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thank you for that. Allah invented Wikipedia, right?

 

[High_Gravity]

Er, the Muzzies invaded Afghanistan, when it was a Buddhist country. Ever open a history book, Abu?

Oh, that's right, Muzzies LIBERATED Afghanistan from the Buddhist idolators, according to allah's will

Quran 9:5...
Then when the Sacred Months have passed, then kill the idolaters wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), and give Zakât, then leave their way free. Verily, Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful

Buddhism in Afghanistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thank you for that. Allah invented Wikipedia, right?

Yes as well as Facebook, Google and Adultfriendfinder