UN-Affordable Care Act Premiums UP By DOUBLE-DIGITS For 2016

[Wry Catcher]

so in your words, the ill-considered regulations by the government twisted the health care industry and caused it to become out of control.
and this is the same government that you think is going to be able to save the industry that their regulations destroyed?
personally, I don't want some uneducated welfare queen making my health decisions.
all it took to have health insurance was to pay for it.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, but I don't think government should be involved with health care, or health insurance, at all. But if they are going to step into that arena, the last thing I want them to do is "partner" with private, for-profit companies. That kind of 'middle-ground' between capitalism and socialism is far worse than either extreme.

Government should not be involved in health care at all. My health and my health choices are not the governments business or your responsibility to pay for.

Not true, if you get run over in the street or drop from a heart attack the taxpayer pays for your immediate care, if you don't have insurance you get fixed in a public hospital paid for by the taxpayer.

The uninsured will get a bill, but those too cheap to buy insurance won't pay the bill, and there is no consequence, as in debtor's prisons, to enforce a civil judgment.

so, you think its cheaper to pay for everyones insurance than it is to pay for the few that are treated without?
If they don't have insurance they should be stabilized and released. They should not be afforded the same care that I get with my paid for policy. Where is the incentive to earn your own way if everything is given to you free?

1/3 of what you are paying is wasted.

How does that help you?

Not wasted so much as redistributed to:



rising cost of healthcare graph - Google Search

 

[dblack]

rising cost of healthcare graph - Google Search

A little history provides perspective: The PPACA provided reform, it needs to be patched in places which need patching, but not scrapped so we are forced to return what didn't work for the many.

Best Advice, don't be parrots and echo the meme, follow the money.

Even better advice, follow your own advice.

Would you like to elaborate on this ^^^ gobbledygook?

Follow the money that produced the PPACA. It doesn't reform a damned thing except how we pay for health care - it forces us to funnel all our health care expense through the insurance industry. It was a massive sellout and anyone 'following the money' saw it coming.

I support a single payer system, such as Medicare for all, cradle to grave. Sadly, even when the Congress wants to create a horse, it seems they always produce a camel.

That's because you vote for a camel. Or, rather, you vote for the crooked bastards who created a camel.

This is the point I'm really trying to make here. You think that hybrid compromises like ACA are better than your nightmare vision of free market health care. Similarly, many conservatives think that hybrid compromises like ACA are better than their nightmare visions of socialized medicine. Both sides are wrong and both are selling us out to the worst possible "solution".

Even more disgusting are those leaders and pundits who understand this, and vote for something they know will make things worse with the goal of, essentially, 'mutually assured destruction'. They think the way to tilt the majority to their side is to fuck things up so badly that the other side will give in. That's flat out evil, in my view, and those people are nothing less than traitors.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

rising cost of healthcare graph - Google Search

A little history provides perspective: The PPACA provided reform, it needs to be patched in places which need patching, but not scrapped so we are forced to return what didn't work for the many.

Best Advice, don't be parrots and echo the meme, follow the money.

Even better advice, follow your own advice.

Would you like to elaborate on this ^^^ gobbledygook?

Follow the money that produced the PPACA. It doesn't reform a damned thing except how we pay for health care - it forces us to funnel all our health care expense through the insurance industry. It was a massive sellout and anyone 'following the money' saw it coming.

I support a single payer system, such as Medicare for all, cradle to grave. Sadly, even when the Congress wants to create a horse, it seems they always produce a camel.

That's because you vote for a camel. Or, rather, you vote for the crooked bastards who created a camel.

This is the point I'm really trying to make here. You think that hybrid compromises like ACA are better than your nightmare vision of free market health care. Similarly, many conservatives think that hybrid compromises like ACA are better than their nightmare visions of socialized medicine. Both sides are wrong and both are selling us out to the worst possible "solution".

Even more disgusting are those leaders and pundits who understand this, and vote for something they know will make things worse with the goal of, essentially, 'mutually assured destruction'. They think the way to tilt the majority to their side is to fuck things up so badly that the other side will give in. That's flat out evil, in my view, and those people are nothing less than traitors.

I still don't see whats wrong with paying your own way.
If the industry can survive on 2/3 of what they currently take in, it stands to reason that at least one company would have dropped their prices to have a competitive edge over the others.
Why is this not happening?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

The combined effects of ill-considered regulation twisted the health insurance, and health care, markets into a dysfunctional, inflationary mess. Labor and tax laws that encouraged over-insurance, and cost shifting laws like EMTALA, which socialized the damage of excessive insurance, created a two-tiered health care market. We essentially had two types of health care consumers - people who were covered, who didn't care what health care cost because someone else was paying for it, and people who weren't, who didn't care what health care cost because someone else was paying for it. That kind of market condition will inevitably produce out-of-control inflation.

They'll never figure out this was the problem. Every time I hear some idiot say, "Well, look what good Capitalism did for health care," I cringe. On one hand I'm annoyed that they are so ignorant and uneducated and on the other hand I feel embarrassed for them that they just inadvertently admitted they are a dumb fuck.

 

[Arianrhod]

Even better advice, follow your own advice.

Would you like to elaborate on this ^^^ gobbledygook?

Follow the money that produced the PPACA. It doesn't reform a damned thing except how we pay for health care - it forces us to funnel all our health care expense through the insurance industry. It was a massive sellout and anyone 'following the money' saw it coming.

I support a single payer system, such as Medicare for all, cradle to grave. Sadly, even when the Congress wants to create a horse, it seems they always produce a camel.

That's because you vote for a camel. Or, rather, you vote for the crooked bastards who created a camel.

This is the point I'm really trying to make here. You think that hybrid compromises like ACA are better than your nightmare vision of free market health care. Similarly, many conservatives think that hybrid compromises like ACA are better than their nightmare visions of socialized medicine. Both sides are wrong and both are selling us out to the worst possible "solution".

Even more disgusting are those leaders and pundits who understand this, and vote for something they know will make things worse with the goal of, essentially, 'mutually assured destruction'. They think the way to tilt the majority to their side is to fuck things up so badly that the other side will give in. That's flat out evil, in my view, and those people are nothing less than traitors.

I still don't see whats wrong with paying your own way.
If the industry can survive on 2/3 of what they currently take in, it stands to reason that at least one company would have dropped their prices to have a competitive edge over the others.
Why is this not happening?

Paying your own way is essentially what you're doing when you pay a co-pay for an office visit. Yes, it's a fraction of the actual fee, but that's the problem with just basic care.

"Doctors make too much money!" is the cry there. Arguably, so do CEOs, but which one would you trust to look at the results of your colonoscopy and determine whether or not that polyp is cancer?

And speaking of colonoscopies et al., there's the rub.

Name any surgery that you think a middle-class person could pay for out of pocket.

Name any chronic condition, ditto.

There isn't one.

If you're yearning for some Norman Rockwell throwback universe where your doctor lived down the block and you paid him in chickens, bear in mind that in those days people routinely died of things we can fix now. Those things can be costly.

The health insurance/auto insurance analogy isn't perfect, but it is a way to think about the issue.

 

[Quadravius]

I'm getting my health insurance for free. Zero copay on doctor visits even with specialists. And zero copay on medicines at the pharmacy. Obama wasn't joking when he said he'd give us access to the same quality insurance congress gets. I even had to get some lab work done a couple weeks ago. You know what I paid? Zero.

Also, I dunno what the conservatards are screaming about when they're talking about long waiting lines. My visits are usually in and out. Like I might wait 15 minutes to be seen. Service is great with Obamacare. Lovin' it.

 

[ninja007]

getting the gov. involved in anything is a disaster.

 

[Arianrhod]

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