Turns out 501c4 applications are voluntary. Scandal over.

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    IRS Tea Party Scandal: Conservative Political Correctness in Action | New Republic

    But, in fact, the IRS’s great conservative crackdown is even more innocent than that. It turns out that the applications the conservative groups submitted to the IRS—the ones the agency subsequently combed over, provoking nonstop howling—were unnecessary. The IRS doesn’t require so-called 501c4 organizations to apply for tax-exempt status. If anyone wants to start a social welfare group, they can just do it, then submit the corresponding tax return (form 990) at the end of the year. To be sure, the IRS certainly allows groups to apply for tax-exempt status if they want to make their status official. But the application is completely voluntary, making it a strange basis for an alleged witch hunt.
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    This faux scandal is the most trumped up bunch of nonsense ever. The scandal is how right wing paranoia is given the respect and credibility is gets in the media. It certainly deserves none of it.

    The right wing groups flooded the IRS with 501c4 applications that weren't required, then threw a hissyfit when the IRS started to process them according to their procedures.

    Seriously, get over the fact that the Left destroyed the Bush Presidency, and with it the GOP's chances of keeping executive power. You're not getting payback. Your side made America worse under Bush, and the voters don't want conservatives back in the White House. This "scandal" won't make a difference.
     
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    Try addressing a subject you know something about. This is not one of them.
     
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    ...unclear on the concept.
     
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    A bunch of roly-poly bumpkins think they have to file for tax exempt status, fill out a form that no one is required to fill out, and then explode in anger when the IRS follows the procedure for processing the forms.

    Unbelievable. No wonder Mitt lost. No wonder McCain lost. No wonder Bush's Presidency was a flop. You guys are a bunch of stupid idiots.
     
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    Hmmm

    Does that mean that all these Liberal 501C(3) groups are filled with stupid people also?

    Equality
    American Civil Liberties Union

    Age
    Children's Defense Fund
    Gray Panthers
    Harmful to Minors: The Perils of Protecting Children From Sex by Judith Levine
    Escape From Childhood by John Holt

    Gender
    National Organization for Women
    EMILY's List (fundraising for pro-choice women candidates)
    Feminist Majority Foundation
    MADRE
    Women's Action for New Directions
    Women's International League for Peace and Freedom
    Women Leaders Online

    National origin
    American Indian Movement [1]
    Fourth World Rising [2]

    Race
    Black Commentator
    National Association for the Advancement of Colored People [3]

    Religion
    Americans United for Separation of Church and State
    American Atheists
    American Humanist Association
    Interfaith Alliance

    Sexual orientation
    Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation
    Human Rights Campaign
    National Gay and Lesbian Task Force
    Parents, Families & Friends of Lesbians and Gays

    Species
    Animal Welfare Institute
    People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals
    The Humane Society of the United States

    Foundations
    Acra Foundation
    Glaser Progress Foundation
    Nathan Cummings Foundation
    Otto Haas Charitable Trust
    Overbrook Foundation
    Park Foundation
    Quixote Foundation
    Schumann Center for Media and Democracy

    Freedom
    American Civil Liberties Union [4]

    Drugs
    Drug Policy Alliance [5]
    Marijuana Policy Project [6]

    Expression
    American Booksellers Foundation for Free Expression
    American Library Association, Office for Intellectual Freedom
    Boston Coalition for Freedom of Expression
    Feminists for Free Expression
    Free Expression Policy Project [7]
    Free Expression Network
    Free Speech Coalition
    Freedom to Read Foundation
    First Amendment Center
    First Amendment Project
    National Coalition Against Censorship
    Online Policy Group
    Peacefire

    Reproductive
    Planned Parenthood
    NARAL Pro-Choice America
    Voters for Choice
     
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    I have said before and will say it again. Some just have no brains..
     
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    No, they're aren't stupid at all. They haven't irrationally flipped out over the IRS processing their application according to procedure, like all the Tea Party groups have, what with all the paranoid birthers and gun nut wackadoodledoos that make up their membership.
     
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    odd

    i didn't realize president obama was a conservative...because he is outraged over this

    poor cheesey liberal, whining it is just the right when obama went on national television and said americans have a right to angry about this and vowed to make it so this won't happen again. the director resigned....

    but this dopey liberal says this isn't a scandal

    :rolleyes:
     
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    I see. Well, I guess I have a few questions:

    1. Why has Obama come out so strongly against what has happened?
    2. Why was Miller pushed out?
    3. Why are other Democrat politicians coming out against it?
    4. And of course, are you going to pretend that this would be no big deal if left wing groups had been targeted? Really?

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    Oh ok, so they dont need the form, they're just automatically accepted?

    if it's so ho hum, why were they given all these hoops to go through?

    did you talking points combat that last question?
     
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    Let me get this straight.

    The IRS will take thousands of dollars of revenues (or even hundreds of thousands, depending on how high your revenue is) from you unless you apply for tax-exempt status... and when you do, they harass you with fifty-page questionnaires (unless you are a liberal), delay your application for years (unless you are a liberal), and send confidential information about you to various liberal news outlets).... and if you don't, they take those huge amounts of moey from you...

    ...and you say that it's YOUR fault since you "elected" to fill out the form?

    I can see it now. "Nice little group you got there. Be a shame in anything happened to it. But fill out these forms, and we'll make sure nobody does bad things (like taking $thousands from you). And we'll make sure WE don't do those bad things to you, too, kapisch?"

    So the "procedure for processing the forms" includes delaying you for months or years (unless you're a liberal), and sending confidential information about you that the IRS got from those forms to various liberal news outlets during campaign season?

    Do you people have any idea how twisted and warped you have to be to believe that, or even suggest it?

    :cuckoo: :cuckoo: :cuckoo:

    I am forced to agree with this.
     
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    Tell that to the IRS Commish without a job

    :eusa_hand:
     
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    Crazy, isn't it?

    The IRS did an internal investigation. They apologized. They wouldn't do that if they had been simply following standard procedure. Obama said their conduct was outrageous and he fired people. The left always leaves that part out when they bash others for being outraged.

    I think the left is just so freaked out about all the scandals and they are doing their best to minimize all of them.

    Plus, the apps are voluntary if a non-profit group wants to be tax exempt. Of course they want to be tax exempt when they don't have profits to pay taxes. If they don't get tax exempt status, they can't last because taxes would destroy the groups. So, it's more of a necessary move and the IRS knew that if they messed with them long enough, some might give up and the groups would disband, which was likely the goal.

    Then we have the IRS telling pro-life groups that they couldn't get their tax exempt status unless they signed an agreement not to protest leftist groups, like Planned Parenthood. They were just making up their own rules.
     
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    The whole scandal is a fraud, and based entirely on right wing paranoia. There is no requirement to fill out the forms and answer the questions. The right wing groups were too stupid to know this, and freaked out about the basic procedures for granting official tax exempt status.
     
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    then the irs was mismanaged as they wasted their time responding back with anything other than a form letter saying something like' your request is not necessary for the status you seek' etc.... and then dumping the docs...

    you might want to call the WH with this scoop and get Obama off the hook....

    Comments: 202-456-1111

    Switchboard: 202-456-1414

    let me know how that works out ....
     
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    if the whole scandal is a fraud and based on right wing paranoia....why did obama say it was outrageous and that americans had a right to be angry?

    i predict cheezetroll will avoid addressing this and simply continue to spout lies
     
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    Libs are so tied up in their fabrications, they don't know which end is up.
     
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    Is Obama too stupid to know that? He expressed outrage and fired people over this. Either include him in your bashing or shut the hell up.

    The IRS apologized and there wouldn't have been any need for that or an internal investigation if people had followed the law.
     
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    Yeah, the idiot OP might wana write Obama a letter about doing that...
     

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