Trump’s Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year

[sealybobo]

Now you know that's not true. I don't want illegals coming here. We've been railing about this at least since 2006. Sorry but your party is split on this one.

I happen to agree with you stupid! I just don't think a wall is the answer. It's boondoggle.

1. You don't want illegals here you want them to legally freely flood our country with low wage no skilled workers as many as want to come. They're illegal because we don't need them and we don't want them.
2. no wall means we have to pick them up try them in court and house them until their hearing and deportation. stopping them with a wall means we don't have to do any of those things.

I just explained to you how we never needed a wall before and don’t need a wall if we crack down on illegal employers.

Jail time and close their business down. Do you think employers will be more careful then?

put employers in jail and their jobs disappear. stupid to do that we want more jobs not less.

Other Americans will pick up the slack and they won’t dare hire illegals.

You keep making excuses to protect illegal employers.

There is no authority in the Constitution to impose penalties on those who hire anyone they want.
Putting the burden of identifying citizenship on employers is illegal.

We will never solve the illegal immigrant problem if you are going to allow corporations to hire illegal workers.

"Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into theHomeland Security Department. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000, according to federal statistics.

"In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."

So when Clinton was president, we went after illegal employers. When Bush got in, that all stopped.

So this is proof everyone who really loves illegal workers. It isn't sactuary cities. It's Republican owned companies who hire illegals for the cheap labor

Man charged in Tibbetts' death worked at Iowa farm linked to prominent Republican

So it's not liberals who are guilty of Mollie's death. It's Republicans. They love the cheap labor. Tell them to stop please. Stop hiring illegals.

Oh I forgot we can't because the Constitution says we can't.

 

[The Original Tree]

We've all heard the snowflake lies about the cost of the wall and the cost of illegal immigration. Here's a more credible examination of the facts.

Trump's Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year—Do The Math | National Economics Editorial​

President Donald Trump announced that he will fulfill his campaign promise to build a nearly 2,000 mile long wall (not a fence) along America’s southern border with Mexico.

The idea is that a physical barrier will act as a low-cost deterrent, and will help stem the flow of illegal immigrants entering America via Mexico—the hope is that once an illegal alien (particularly a criminal migrant) is deported, they won’t return.

The plan is simple and time-tested—China’s Great Wall did it’s job, so did Hadrian’s Wall in Roman Britain—and yet it’s come under fire from the mainstream media.

They claim that the wall will be prohibitively expensive, that illegal immigrants contribute to America’s economy (so there’s no reason to deport them), and that the wall won’t work.

They’re factually wrong on all accounts—let’s look at the numbers.

How Much Will Trump’s Wall Cost? $21.6 Billion.
The first question we must address is very straightforward: how much would it cost to build a wall along the Mexican border?

We don’t know for sure (construction costs rarely align with initial estimates), but we have a few good estimates.

Senate leader Mitch McConnell said Congress estimates the wall will cost $15 billion at most—he said it would likely fall within a range of $12 to $15 billion.

However, according to more recent information acquired by Reuters, the border wall will cost $21.6 billion, and will take roughly 3.5 years to build. This is according to a document from the Department of Homeland Security.

It’s probably our best current estimate, and this article will proceed under using this cost assumption.

On the high end (which can’t be totally discounted, given the nature of construction projects), the left-wing advocacy group cum “newspaper” the Huffington Post said the wall would cost roughly $40 billion. Their evidence is based on a study done by MIT (although their assumptions about the size and building materials may be why the projection is so high).

Either way, the cost of the wall pales in comparison to the cost of illegal immigrants in America.

. . . . . . . .​

Dummy, You can't build a wall when Globalism is your goal. You also can't have a country exercising it's rights to be a Sovereign Nation Either.

Don't you never learn Nothin?

 

[Rigby5]

Build the damn wall...

Non-Citizens Committed a Disproportionate Share of Federal Crimes, 2011-16

That is not nearly a reliable site.
Nor does it fit at all with information at all other sites.
And most federal prosecutions are over things like the War on Drugs, which of course would be heavily weighted towards illegal immigrants. Drug smugglers often are illegal immigrants, but it is the war on drugs that is wrong and should be stopped instead of worrying about illegal immigration.

The reality is that illegal immigrants are generally here because of desperation poverty, and the last thing they would risk is being caught and sent back over a criminal action. Their crime rate is almost half the average for citizens.

It does sound like the drug problem is very bad indeed. Just look at this post, this is your brain on some serious acid.

Of course illegal immigration should be worried about, and stopped as should legal immigration.

Drugs are a personal choice for recreation, just like those who choose to do dangerous and expensive things like sky diving, water skiing, flying, etc. There is nothing in the Constitution that would allow for any federal drug law at all. The whole federal war on drugs is completely illegal.

And while state and local drug laws are possible, clearly the failure of Prohibition of Alcohol should have taught us that wars on recreational activities are a really, really bad idea and just greatly increase crime.

 

[Rigby5]

Build the damn wall...

Non-Citizens Committed a Disproportionate Share of Federal Crimes, 2011-16

That is not nearly a reliable site.
Nor does it fit at all with information at all other sites.
And most federal prosecutions are over things like the War on Drugs, which of course would be heavily weighted towards illegal immigrants. Drug smugglers often are illegal immigrants, but it is the war on drugs that is wrong and should be stopped instead of worrying about illegal immigration.

The reality is that illegal immigrants are generally here because of desperation poverty, and the last thing they would risk is being caught and sent back over a criminal action. Their crime rate is almost half the average for citizens.

It does sound like the drug problem is very bad indeed. Just look at this post, this is your brain on some serious acid.

Of course illegal immigration should be worried about, and stopped as should legal immigration.

Do we send back the immigrant owned small businesses and corporations? How about foreign money that immigrates into the stock market?

Money doesn't immigrate, it's invested. I know you have about three brain cells but try to keep up.

I was talking about stop bringing in more. Sad that you couldn't keep up.

The wealth of the US was totally and completely created by immigration, which was never illegal before around 1900 or so.
For example, poor Irish and Chinese immigrants created the wealthy railroad tycoons.

 

[Rigby5]

We've all heard the snowflake lies about the cost of the wall and the cost of illegal immigration. Here's a more credible examination of the facts.

Trump's Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year—Do The Math | National Economics Editorial​

President Donald Trump announced that he will fulfill his campaign promise to build a nearly 2,000 mile long wall (not a fence) along America’s southern border with Mexico.

The idea is that a physical barrier will act as a low-cost deterrent, and will help stem the flow of illegal immigrants entering America via Mexico—the hope is that once an illegal alien (particularly a criminal migrant) is deported, they won’t return.

The plan is simple and time-tested—China’s Great Wall did it’s job, so did Hadrian’s Wall in Roman Britain—and yet it’s come under fire from the mainstream media.

They claim that the wall will be prohibitively expensive, that illegal immigrants contribute to America’s economy (so there’s no reason to deport them), and that the wall won’t work.

They’re factually wrong on all accounts—let’s look at the numbers.

How Much Will Trump’s Wall Cost? $21.6 Billion.
The first question we must address is very straightforward: how much would it cost to build a wall along the Mexican border?

We don’t know for sure (construction costs rarely align with initial estimates), but we have a few good estimates.

Senate leader Mitch McConnell said Congress estimates the wall will cost $15 billion at most—he said it would likely fall within a range of $12 to $15 billion.

However, according to more recent information acquired by Reuters, the border wall will cost $21.6 billion, and will take roughly 3.5 years to build. This is according to a document from the Department of Homeland Security.

It’s probably our best current estimate, and this article will proceed under using this cost assumption.

On the high end (which can’t be totally discounted, given the nature of construction projects), the left-wing advocacy group cum “newspaper” the Huffington Post said the wall would cost roughly $40 billion. Their evidence is based on a study done by MIT (although their assumptions about the size and building materials may be why the projection is so high).

Either way, the cost of the wall pales in comparison to the cost of illegal immigrants in America.

. . . . . . . .​

Dummy, You can't build a wall when Globalism is your goal. You also can't have a country exercising it's rights to be a Sovereign Nation Either.

Don't you never learn Nothin?

Countries do not have rights, like to be sovereign or not.
Only individuals have rights.
And they can choose to create a sovereign nation or not.
As for immigration, that is a question of who was here first?
And those of European ancestry really don't have that good of a claim.

 

[Rigby5]

1. You don't want illegals here you want them to legally freely flood our country with low wage no skilled workers as many as want to come. They're illegal because we don't need them and we don't want them.
2. no wall means we have to pick them up try them in court and house them until their hearing and deportation. stopping them with a wall means we don't have to do any of those things.

I just explained to you how we never needed a wall before and don’t need a wall if we crack down on illegal employers.

Jail time and close their business down. Do you think employers will be more careful then?

put employers in jail and their jobs disappear. stupid to do that we want more jobs not less.

Other Americans will pick up the slack and they won’t dare hire illegals.

You keep making excuses to protect illegal employers.

There is no authority in the Constitution to impose penalties on those who hire anyone they want.
Putting the burden of identifying citizenship on employers is illegal.

We will never solve the illegal immigrant problem if you are going to allow corporations to hire illegal workers.

"Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into theHomeland Security Department. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000, according to federal statistics.

"In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."

So when Clinton was president, we went after illegal employers. When Bush got in, that all stopped.

So this is proof everyone who really loves illegal workers. It isn't sactuary cities. It's Republican owned companies who hire illegals for the cheap labor

Man charged in Tibbetts' death worked at Iowa farm linked to prominent Republican

So it's not liberals who are guilty of Mollie's death. It's Republicans. They love the cheap labor. Tell them to stop please. Stop hiring illegals.

Oh I forgot we can't because the Constitution says we can't.

Following the money is pretty much a basic right.
People pretty much has the right to do what saves or gains them money.

 

[basquebromance]

"a civil war is gonna break out in the GOP over immigration. just like it happened between Rockefeller and Goldwater. a war for the soul and future of the GOP" - Patrick J Buchanan

 

[danielpalos]

show us the express immigration clause not right wing bigotry. both, promote and provide are expressed in regard to the general welfare but not the common defense.

 

[badger2]

not when the personal choice is drug addicted which leads to crimes, following the money a basic right, Einstein

 

[danielpalos]

...subject to US jurisdiction is simply that. Our Constitution applies. There is no express immigration clause. All foreign nationals in the US should be known to the general government and federally identified for civil purposes. We should have no illegals or illegal underclass for the right wing to complain about, and we should be generating revenue on a per capita basis from foreign nationals in the US. We have an express Commerce clause and should be making money not losing money on border policies.

 

[Slyhunter]

Build the damn wall...

Non-Citizens Committed a Disproportionate Share of Federal Crimes, 2011-16

That is not nearly a reliable site.
Nor does it fit at all with information at all other sites.
And most federal prosecutions are over things like the War on Drugs, which of course would be heavily weighted towards illegal immigrants. Drug smugglers often are illegal immigrants, but it is the war on drugs that is wrong and should be stopped instead of worrying about illegal immigration.

The reality is that illegal immigrants are generally here because of desperation poverty, and the last thing they would risk is being caught and sent back over a criminal action. Their crime rate is almost half the average for citizens.

It does sound like the drug problem is very bad indeed. Just look at this post, this is your brain on some serious acid.

Of course illegal immigration should be worried about, and stopped as should legal immigration.

Drugs are a personal choice for recreation, just like those who choose to do dangerous and expensive things like sky diving, water skiing, flying, etc. There is nothing in the Constitution that would allow for any federal drug law at all. The whole federal war on drugs is completely illegal.

And while state and local drug laws are possible, clearly the failure of Prohibition of Alcohol should have taught us that wars on recreational activities are a really, really bad idea and just greatly increase crime.

The future where you can walk into a fudge shop and sample Marijuana laced Fudge. Who is to force them to tell you if they laced it with something else to guarantee you come back for more?

 

[deanrd]

Mexicans hate the wall. But don’t worry, they’ll get over it.

 

[Slyhunter]

Mexicans hate the wall. But don’t worry, they’ll get over it.

Not as many.

 

[P@triot]

That is not nearly a reliable site.

That is not a reliable post (it’s from an uninformed, partisan hack).

 

[P@triot]

Drug smugglers often are illegal immigrants, but it is the war on drugs that is wrong and should be stopped instead of worrying about illegal immigration.

The only thing “wrong” is your astounding ignorance and frightening views. Drugs are currently illegal. If you don’t like that, legally and properly change the law. But until then, they must be enforced.

Either we are a nation of laws, or we’re a third-world Banana Republic. Stop advocating for us to be a lawless society.

 

[P@triot]

Drug smugglers often are illegal immigrants, but it is the war on drugs that is wrong and should be stopped instead of worrying about illegal immigration.

The irony is so thick, one could cut it with a knife.

(Psst...even if drugs were legalized...that wouldn’t change our laws on people illegally entering our country)

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Drug smugglers often are illegal immigrants, but it is the war on drugs that is wrong and should be stopped instead of worrying about illegal immigration.

The only thing “wrong” is your astounding ignorance and frightening views. Drugs are currently illegal. If you don’t like that, legally and properly change the law. But until then, they must be enforced.

Either we are a nation of laws, or we’re a third-world Banana Republic. Stop advocating for us to be a lawless society.

Way to support anti-Capitalist measures.

 

[froggy]

Now how are the Democrats going to get cheap labor in this country if Trump fences them out?

 

[Rustic]

 

[P@triot]

We need a massive wall (not some pitiful fence) and we need it now.

See the Illegal Immigration Crisis by the Numbers