frigidweirdo
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Well, yes it is.
Hitler was a Nationalist, a Germanic Nationalist. He went around blaming the Jews and blaming the victors in WW1. He was probably right about the latter, but the former... well, that was scapegoating massively.
The Argentinian Junta used the Falkland Islands/Las Malvinas as a way of diverting attention away from their failing economic policies, blaming the UK. This was also done by the previous leader of Argentina, the female Kirchner.
Milosevic in Serbia went all the way back to 1389 to bring up hatred for Kosovo, and decided to decimate Kosovo of Kosovan Albanians, he also went to war with others, turning neighbors against neighbors.
Hutus and Tutsis ended up hating each other in Rwanda.
I could go on and on and on.
I understand that you think Trump's nationalism is about serving American people. However the problem is it won't. The US is strongest when dealing with other countries. It's got rich of doing that. Thinking that turning around and being internal will work is not based on fact at all.
Think of states who are internal. They're not at the top of the GDP pile.
You say "common sense", generally people use "common sense" when they don't have anything to back up their argument.
GDP per country.
List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita - Wikipedia
According to the IMF
You have Luxembourg in number one. A country which has open borders all around, a country which is very much external. A country with 44.5% foreign population. Then you have Switzerland, while not in the EU, it's in the Schengen Agreement, very much an international country, again, with a high number of foreigners. Then you have Norway, the same as what I said for Switzerland.
Wow. with hundreds of nations and thousands of years of history, you manage to find FOUR examples of nationalism being used by bad people for bad things, and one of those was actually tribalism.
Here are 3 good examples to counter yours.
1. US defeat of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.
2. US defeat of Soviet Union in Cold War.
3. Winning the Space Race by putting a Man on the MOon.
The exporting of jobs, and importing of cheap labor has NOT benefited America or Americans.
Making simple assumptions doesn't get you very far.
I didn't post every instance of Nationalism. I picked 4 very high profile ones.
As for your "counter" argument. I don't see an argument at all. Do you have a point to make? If so, you might want to try making it.
And I posted 3 high profile examples of Nationalism being a force for good.
Which disproves your earlier point that Trump being nationalistic is inherently bad. or about blaming others.
Not really, you posted three things about the USA.
USA under Roosevelt was not Nationalism.
USA in the Cold War was not Nationalism.
USA putting man on the moon was not Nationalism.
We're not talking just doing something to make your country look good here. We're not talking about thinking your country is good.....d.
WWII recruiting poster.
That's nationalism.
You're not getting it.
There's a difference between nationalism as a fuzzy feeling towards your country and having a Nationalist ideology. They're two separate things, that might include some of the same stuff.
We're not talking kids singing the National Anthem before football games, we're not talking about WW2 recruitment posters with Uncle Sam dressed in the flag. We're talking about Nationalist ideology, leaders coming to the fore on a Nationalist ticket, and pushing Nationalism for all it's worth.
Do you understand?