Trump's lifeline: Democrats' socialism surge

[McRocket]

'Democrats are flirting with socialism in ways they carefully and clearly ran away from in the past, handing President Trump a new way to unify Republicans — and to club his opponents.

• It started with Democrats sitting silently as he railed against socialism in his State of the Union speech.
• It intensified with Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's release of a Green New Deal, a vague policy manifesto loaded with big-government policies.
• The surge is unlikely to abate: Young, Twitter- and social-savvy Democrats favor socialism over capitalism. And no Democrat in politics today plays the social media game with more savvy than AOC. '

Democrats' surge of socialism could be Trump's 2020 lifeline

The article is right - Democrats themselves are handing Trump a political lifeline.

There is NO WAY Democrats will win a general election on a socialism-mandate. There simply are not enough American voters to support that platform.

Sure, lots of people love the idea of everything being provided for them by the government - free university, guaranteed jobs, guaranteed income, free healthcare and so on.

But when the Republicans (if they are smart) remind people of the INCREDIBLE and unsustainable costs of ALL of these programs (except free healthcare to the needy - so long as it is dual-payer and NOT single payer) AND stay away from the silly moral arguments of it?
Most of these people will shy away from the socialism angle.

The fact remains - not one progressive has REMOTELY explained how all of these pie-in-the-sky programs (especially that Green New Deal) can realistically be paid for.
Why?
Because it is IMPOSSIBLE to fully fund all of these things in a sustained manner.
Impossible.

The bottom line - if Democrats fully embrace socialism...IMO, THEY WILL COST THEMSELVES FAR MORE VOTERS THEN THEY GAIN.

 

[Oddball]

No question about it.

Looks like they fell for the idea that the Bernouts are the next big thing in the party.

If they're not careful, they're going to get their asses kicked like it's 1972.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

But when the Republicans (if they are smart) remind people of the INCREDIBLE and unsustainable costs of ALL of these programs

True...but how ironic that the debt party will be the ones crybabying, and how ironic that Americans are stupid enough to stand by them...

 

[Pete7469]

No question about it.

Looks like they fell for the idea that the Bernouts are the next big thing in the party.

If they're not careful, they're going to get their asses kicked like it's 1972.

Or purged like the poor dumb bastards that funded the Bolsheviks in 1917.


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[Oddball]

No question about it.

Looks like they fell for the idea that the Bernouts are the next big thing in the party.

If they're not careful, they're going to get their asses kicked like it's 1972.

Or purged like the poor dumb bastards that funded the Bolsheviks in 1917.


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Or helicopters.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

'Democrats are flirting with socialism in ways they carefully and clearly ran away from in the past, handing President Trump a new way to unify Republicans — and to club his opponents.

• It started with Democrats sitting silently as he railed against socialism in his State of the Union speech.
• It intensified with Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's release of a Green New Deal, a vague policy manifesto loaded with big-government policies.
• The surge is unlikely to abate: Young, Twitter- and social-savvy Democrats favor socialism over capitalism. And no Democrat in politics today plays the social media game with more savvy than AOC. '

Democrats' surge of socialism could be Trump's 2020 lifeline

The article is right - Democrats themselves are handing Trump a political lifeline.

There is NO WAY Democrats will win a general election on a socialism-mandate. There simply are not enough American voters to support that platform.

Sure, lots of people love the idea of everything being provided for them by the government - free university, guaranteed jobs, guaranteed income, free healthcare and so on.

But when the Republicans (if they are smart) remind people of the INCREDIBLE and unsustainable costs of ALL of these programs (except free healthcare to the needy - so long as it is dual-payer and NOT single payer) AND stay away from the silly moral arguments of it?
Most of these people will shy away from the socialism angle.

The fact remains - not one progressive has REMOTELY explained how all of these pie-in-the-sky programs (especially that Green New Deal) can realistically be paid for.
Why?
Because it is IMPOSSIBLE to fully fund all of these things in a sustained manner.
Impossible.

The bottom line - if Democrats fully embrace socialism...IMO, THEY WILL COST THEMSELVES FAR MORE VOTERS THEN THEY GAIN.

The article is wrong, as is the thread premise.

Democrats are not ‘flirting with socialism’ – and the article exhibits a comprehensive ignorance as to what ‘socialism’ actually is.

The mistake Democrats are making is to allow Republicans to use rightwing lies about ‘socialism’ as a political weapon.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

But when the Republicans (if they are smart) remind people of the INCREDIBLE and unsustainable costs of ALL of these programs

True...but how ironic that the debt party will be the ones crybabying, and how ironic that Americans are stupid enough to stand by them...

So AOC's green plan that would raise the debt 17 trillion dollars doesnt have anything to do with the Republicans raising the debt just a few trillion less? There is a lesser evil, and that was President Trump, the greatest EVIL, was the bitch who allowed her husband to get away with rape and abusing women, and she was "supposed" to be the smartest woman in the world...She would of tripled Obama's 9.5 trillion dollars of debt added and the QE would be still going on...yes, you who voted for the ACA were stupid enough that the architect even called you so.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

No question about it.

Looks like they fell for the idea that the Bernouts are the next big thing in the party.

If they're not careful, they're going to get their asses kicked like it's 1972.

Or purged like the poor dumb bastards that funded the Bolsheviks in 1917.


.

I am so looking forward to the purge...Liberal elites need people who know how to fix things and grow food, not just be liberal welfare pukes who sit all day bitching and moaning how their lives suck, because of said liberal elites...

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

But when the Republicans (if they are smart) remind people of the INCREDIBLE and unsustainable costs of ALL of these programs

True...but how ironic that the debt party will be the ones crybabying, and how ironic that Americans are stupid enough to stand by them...

So AOC's green plan that would raise the debt 17 trillion dollars doesnt have anything to do with the Republicans raising the debt just a few trillion less? There is a lesser evil, and that was President Trump, the greatest EVIL, was the bitch who allowed her husband to get away with rape and abusing women, and she was "supposed" to be the smartest woman in the world...She would of tripled Obama's 9.5 trillion dollars of debt added and the QE would be still going on...yes, you who voted for the ACA were stupid enough that the architect even called you so.

I didn't vote for the Aca. That was a bad, republican idea. It's no surprise that your puppet masters couldn't find a better idea to replace it, as it was their own ideas, and the best idea they could come up with for 25 years. All while you licked their buttholes and cheered for it. Well, until the smiling, uppity brown man ate your lunch, that is. Then you hated it.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Occasional Cortex is doing great things for Trump. He's up to 50% approval. If the swamp admits to 50%, the real number must be 60%.

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports®

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Occasional Cortex is doing great things for Trump. He's up to 50% approval. If the swamp admits to 50%, the real number must be 60%.

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports®

Except that's a steaming pile of horseshit, and he is still at 40%:

How Popular Is Donald Trump?

 

[kyzr]

Trump can't win....no fucking way.....the polls all said....

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Trump can't win....no fucking way.....the polls all said....

Which they did, right up until the end, when they were pretty much spot on. The final result was well within the margin of error.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The policies Democrats advocate for are no different than the same policies found in other Western free market democracies, such as the UK and Germany – a comprehensive healthcare program being an example.

Indeed, only an ignorant idiot would attempt to advance the ‘argument’ that either the UK or Germany are ‘socialist’ societies.

And no conservative – no matter how far right – in either the UK or Germany would dream of doing away with their healthcare programs.

The fact is that the Democratic Party is now and will always be a centrist lapdog of the corporate elite; where Democrats benefit from – and are defenders of – a capitalist free market economy.

 

[kyzr]

Trump can't win....no fucking way.....the polls all said....

Which they did, right up until the end, when they were pretty much spot on. The final result was well within the margin of error.

Got a link for that bullshit claim? For CNN, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, CBS? The exit polls weren't even favorable to Trump...
I showed you that during the campaign there was no way Trump could win, on all MSM "news" outlets.
Basically pissing on the MSM polls, in 2016 and forever more....

 

[BrokeLoser]

Trump can't win....no fucking way.....the polls all said....

Which they did, right up until the end, when they were pretty much spot on. The final result was well within the margin of error.

What if he would have campaigned to win the popularity contest, a non existent “popular vote” by sucking the ass of America’s filth in Mexifornia and Loon York? Would he have the keys to your soul and the Oval Office as he does now?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

But when the Republicans (if they are smart) remind people of the INCREDIBLE and unsustainable costs of ALL of these programs

True...but how ironic that the debt party will be the ones crybabying, and how ironic that Americans are stupid enough to stand by them...

So AOC's green plan that would raise the debt 17 trillion dollars doesnt have anything to do with the Republicans raising the debt just a few trillion less? There is a lesser evil, and that was President Trump, the greatest EVIL, was the bitch who allowed her husband to get away with rape and abusing women, and she was "supposed" to be the smartest woman in the world...She would of tripled Obama's 9.5 trillion dollars of debt added and the QE would be still going on...yes, you who voted for the ACA were stupid enough that the architect even called you so.

I didn't vote for the Aca. That was a bad, republican idea. It's no surprise that your puppet masters couldn't find a better idea to replace it, as it was their own ideas, and the best idea they could come up with for 25 years. All while you licked their buttholes and cheered for it. Well, until the smiling, uppity brown man ate your lunch, that is. Then you hated it.

The affordable care act, was not a republican idea you stupid fucking asshole. And yes, when something wasn't broken in the first place, those that you voted for sure did fuck it up, and Johnny Boy Gruber laughed at your stupidity. Now the United States has to start over and try to come up with something that even comes close to the way it was before the ACA.

ACA Architect: 'The Stupidity Of The American Voter' Led Us To Hide Obamacare's True Costs From The Public

Today, new video surfaced in which Gruber said that “the stupidity of the Democrat American voter” made it important for him and Democrats to hide Obamacare’s true costs from the public.

one more fucking lie from you, and you will join the rest of the liars and stupid twits in the ignore zone...

 

[McRocket]

'Democrats are flirting with socialism in ways they carefully and clearly ran away from in the past, handing President Trump a new way to unify Republicans — and to club his opponents.

• It started with Democrats sitting silently as he railed against socialism in his State of the Union speech.
• It intensified with Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's release of a Green New Deal, a vague policy manifesto loaded with big-government policies.
• The surge is unlikely to abate: Young, Twitter- and social-savvy Democrats favor socialism over capitalism. And no Democrat in politics today plays the social media game with more savvy than AOC. '

Democrats' surge of socialism could be Trump's 2020 lifeline

The article is right - Democrats themselves are handing Trump a political lifeline.

There is NO WAY Democrats will win a general election on a socialism-mandate. There simply are not enough American voters to support that platform.

Sure, lots of people love the idea of everything being provided for them by the government - free university, guaranteed jobs, guaranteed income, free healthcare and so on.

But when the Republicans (if they are smart) remind people of the INCREDIBLE and unsustainable costs of ALL of these programs (except free healthcare to the needy - so long as it is dual-payer and NOT single payer) AND stay away from the silly moral arguments of it?
Most of these people will shy away from the socialism angle.

The fact remains - not one progressive has REMOTELY explained how all of these pie-in-the-sky programs (especially that Green New Deal) can realistically be paid for.
Why?
Because it is IMPOSSIBLE to fully fund all of these things in a sustained manner.
Impossible.

The bottom line - if Democrats fully embrace socialism...IMO, THEY WILL COST THEMSELVES FAR MORE VOTERS THEN THEY GAIN.

The article is wrong, as is the thread premise.

Democrats are not ‘flirting with socialism’ – and the article exhibits a comprehensive ignorance as to what ‘socialism’ actually is.

The mistake Democrats are making is to allow Republicans to use rightwing lies about ‘socialism’ as a political weapon.

This is the definition of socialism:

'socialism

• Definitions

from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 4th Edition

• n. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.'

It does not matter what people want socialism to mean...the above is what it ACTUALLY means.

And I guarantee you that most Americans are not for that.

 

[McRocket]

Trump can't win....no fucking way.....the polls all said....

Well, most of the polls said he would not win the popular vote - which he didn't.

So the polls were - generally - actually VERY accurate.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Trump vs. Clinton

 

[Oddball]

The article is wrong, as is the thread premise.

Democrats are not ‘flirting with socialism’ – and the article exhibits a comprehensive ignorance as to what ‘socialism’ actually is.

The mistake Democrats are making is to allow Republicans to use rightwing lies about ‘socialism’ as a political weapon.