Trump is the roofer we needed.

[AntonToo]

When your roof is leaking you don't go looking for a philosopher.

Yep, need a crook to fix your roof, no two ways about it.

That makes no fucking sense.

Probably because you are stupid.

No.
Most certainly it's because I have hired roofers.....and the last mofo I want fixing my roof is a crook.

Exactly, hence the sarcastic face emoticon at the end of my post.

We don't need a crook like Trump anywhere near our roof.

 

[AntonToo]

Mickey D's pays 10 bucks an hour around here. Yet it takes at least 15 an hour to make a living wage around here. And that is just to cover the cost of living with no frills and no disposable income. In places that the COL is higher, of course they pay higher but that 15 bucks an hour also goes up just to exist. To date, most people that make under the living wage are eligible for Snap (food stamps, energy assistance, etc.) but in mid 2020, they lose that because they are able to work and have jobs. And that is by an Executive Order Rump and his merry band of Criminals are drafting right now. Meanwhile, we are creating even more of these below living wage jobs at a higher rate than we are all the other jobs. So you can celebrate that 266K increase but most of them are just creating more misery in the long run.

I am not saying that other Presidents have paid that much attention to this problem. It's been going on for the last 30 years. But it's accelerated under Rump and it's just going to get even worse. Rump may be a jobs creation President but we don't need those kind of jobs created. We need Living Wage and Higher jobs created at a higher rate than the service jobs.

And Rump has to go if you Rumpsters celebrate the creation of service jobs.

Higher wage jobs require people with an education. Without an education, people may have to work two jobs, just as it always has been.

There are literally millions of well educated people flipping burgers and doing other McJobs for low wages because those are the ONLY jobs being created.

This is why you have a student debt crisis. Other nations aren’t set up to hobble their young people with tens of thousands of dollars of debt coming out of school.

Your entire economy is now set up to funnel all of the money to the top, and keep working people indebted and struggling throughout their lives.

Yes, obummer was destroying the manufacturing sector. Thanks for pointing that out.

And rump hasn't changed that either. In fact, there are more college educated people working lower paid jobs now than ever before. Before the huge increase in "Service Jobs" they stayed home. Now, they have somewhere to spend their time. I guess you can call it therapy. You certainly can't call it an economic boom.

Yet again, for the terminally stupid, businesses are still responding to obummer policies.

You are still saying that after 3 years of Trump presidency and two years after significant tax-cuts to Corporations and other business? Getting kinda old.

 

[Dragonlady]

Mickey D's pays 10 bucks an hour around here. Yet it takes at least 15 an hour to make a living wage around here. And that is just to cover the cost of living with no frills and no disposable income. In places that the COL is higher, of course they pay higher but that 15 bucks an hour also goes up just to exist. To date, most people that make under the living wage are eligible for Snap (food stamps, energy assistance, etc.) but in mid 2020, they lose that because they are able to work and have jobs. And that is by an Executive Order Rump and his merry band of Criminals are drafting right now. Meanwhile, we are creating even more of these below living wage jobs at a higher rate than we are all the other jobs. So you can celebrate that 266K increase but most of them are just creating more misery in the long run.

I am not saying that other Presidents have paid that much attention to this problem. It's been going on for the last 30 years. But it's accelerated under Rump and it's just going to get even worse. Rump may be a jobs creation President but we don't need those kind of jobs created. We need Living Wage and Higher jobs created at a higher rate than the service jobs.

And Rump has to go if you Rumpsters celebrate the creation of service jobs.

Higher wage jobs require people with an education. Without an education, people may have to work two jobs, just as it always has been.

There are literally millions of well educated people flipping burgers and doing other McJobs for low wages because those are the ONLY jobs being created.

This is why you have a student debt crisis. Other nations aren’t set up to hobble their young people with tens of thousands of dollars of debt coming out of school.

Your entire economy is now set up to funnel all of the money to the top, and keep working people indebted and struggling throughout their lives.

Yes, obummer was destroying the manufacturing sector. Thanks for pointing that out.

Did Obama cause the current 2019 manufacturing recession as well?

No, but jeez, it's like you have never heard of business cycles.

You cons have a million excuses for what your policies have done to the American workers. The bald fact is that Reagan's changes to the tax code which allowed the wealthy to "keep more of their income", in fact tipped the plate of the American economy, which to that point had been a rising tide which lifted all boats, so that the wealth flowed ONLY to the top.

Until 1980, the bottom 20% of Americans owned 5% of the wealth of the nation. Not a lot, to be sure, but enough that people felt like they had a chance to better themselves. Now that bottom 20% not only has no wealth, but they're dependent on government handouts in food stamps, Section 8, and "earned income credits", which is simply a tax subsidy for low wage workers. Even worse, if you were born into poverty in 1980, you had a 20% chance of working your way out poverty. Today your chances are 2% and shrinking.

College graduates are now enslaved to student debt. No other first world nation does this to its children. This is insanity. Your birth rate is FALLING and is now well below replacement rates, because people can't afford to have children.

Where is the logic and sanity of enslaving your entire population to debt?

 

[mudwhistle]

When your roof is leaking you don't go looking for a philosopher.

Yep, need a crook to fix your roof, no two ways about it.

That makes no fucking sense.

Probably because you are stupid.

No.
Most certainly it's because I have hired roofers.....and the last mofo I want fixing my roof is a crook.

Exactly, hence the sarcastic face emoticon at the end of my post.

We don't need a crook like Trump anywhere near our roof.

You needed a crook like Hillary instead. And since Hillary is a known crook so is anyone she runs against. Shit, they had that election rigged and she still lost, so Trump must have cheated.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

That education used to be a high school diploma.

Now it's time to develop a trade or continue your education. Or if you want to settle, MacDonald's is hiring.

So times have changed.

Yes, we're no longer working fields and hard factory jobs. Welcome to 2019, join us from 1950 when your ready.


Dumbass argument

Okay, dumbass, what do you suggest we do to make things better. And don't say University Education. That's priced out of reach for common people these days. Student Debt can never be repaid going that route.

"We" don't need to do much.

School choice.
Get government out of the student loan business.
Encourage trade school and entrepreneurship.
Abolish school unions.
Get rid of tenure status.
Teach PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

^^^that's a good start

Okay, finally, you gave something to work with.

School choice I agree with.

Get Government out of student loan business I agree with the Government still needs to monitor it.

Encourage Trade Schools. I agree. But get a handle on the cost of those trade schools. Make it so that a Student Loan is not necessary to go to a trade school. I am not saying it has to be free but when I see a trade school have 30 students in a class and charge 30K a year for each student that's quite a hefty profit. And that is for one of the cheaper classes. That is almost a million a year they are bringing in for each class. And they may have 20 classes going on at the same time. And that is considered a steal compared to a University in cost.

Encourage entrepreneurship I agree with but don't make that big a deal out of it. Maybe, 1 out of 10 should be entrepreneurs. What would it be like if everyone was one. Who would do the grunt work?

Abolish school unions and get rid of Tenure are the same thing. Or near enough. I don't support nor condemn Unions. It's not the Union that is good nor bad. The Worker must be afforded the possibility of forming a union for negotiation sake. A good Employer will never have a union. Busch versus Coors is a good example. And now Coors may end up with a Union by their own actions after more than a hundred years of changing the treatment their employees. Up until now, Coors has treated their employees more as family.

Teach PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. I agree. And since slightly less than 50% of the Parents are Republicans, that means that almost no one is doing that. Ask yourself this, if you are supporting the Party of the Rump doesn't this go against this as well? I didn't support Hillary for those reasons as well.

It's tough to teach our kids the right thing with we keep supporting the morally bankrupt no matter who it is.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

For what it's worth, construction jobs are booming. …

Let's see. Clean records, drug test, and more. 40 years ago, the line to join by qualified applicants would be down the street but not today. I agree, the guild jobs like Plumbers and Electricians are constantly hiring but the list of qualified applicants has gotten very , very short these days.

I'll admit that construction isn't for everyone. But really, there's not a good reason not to qualify. If you're a druggie or a criminal, then that's your own fault; and no matter what government polices may be in place, you have to expect that it's going to have an adverse effect on your ability to maintain a good career in any profession.

During the winter of 68/69, I worked for a couple of months as a high scale welder. I am deathly afraid of heights. Vodka was the answer. And there were a lot of us under the influence. Accident rates were ALMOST always fatal. I took a lower paying job with my feet firmly on scaffolding for another company until my "Greeting from the President". At the time, there were even very few min wage jobs available. Min wage was a buck. And there were people living on that and even had a few bucks left over each month. I had a trade since I welded from almost birth so even that lower wage job paid a buck seventy five. The 12 bucks an hour was hard to run away from but I ran my ass off away from it.

For those without jobs, one would go in at 7am to the County or State Employment office and they would send you out on short term jobs. It might be for a day or it might be longer. Right out of High School, I dug ditches, loaded and unloaded trucks just to name a few. And if you were doing this, you weren't listed as employed. If you had a part time job or even 2 part time jobs you weren't listed as employed either. If we use the same yardstick from 1968 for today for employment, the unemployment rate would be in excess of 24%.

BTW, I would make a shitty cement pourer. But had I chosen another path, I would have made a decent Electrician. But my days as a Welder was pretty well over due to eye damage like many welders suffer.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Yep, need a crook to fix your roof, no two ways about it.

That makes no fucking sense.

Probably because you are stupid.

No.
Most certainly it's because I have hired roofers.....and the last mofo I want fixing my roof is a crook.

Exactly, hence the sarcastic face emoticon at the end of my post.

We don't need a crook like Trump anywhere near our roof.

You needed a crook like Hillary instead. And since Hillary is a known crook so is anyone she runs against. Shit, they had that election rigged and she still lost, so Trump must have cheated.

In late 68, I was running a 65 Goat. I won in B Modified. The guy I beat came up to me and this is the conversation we had.

"Okay, how did you cheat"
"How do you know I cheated"
"I cheated and you beat me".

 

[Dragonlady]

It's tough to teach our kids the right thing with we keep supporting the morally bankrupt no matter who it is.

If Clinton is a criminal, she's a damn sight better criminal than Donald Trump who's behaviour, corruption and dishonesty attracts investigations like flies. The difference between the Clinton investigations and the Trump investigations is that Republicans started the rumours of corruption and illegal behaviour by the Clintons, in order to smear them and take down a popular President. Trump commits crimes and does illegal things, like paying off porn stars, extorting investigations of his rivals, and obstructing investigations, because he really is that corrupt. He's bragged about his criminal behaviour, and all of his shady dealings for decades, and you elected him anyway.

It all comes down this this. As long as you elect known criminals like Donald Trump, and then claim his behaviour isn't impeachable, the USA will continue to decline economically, politically, and morally.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

a trade school have 30 students in a class and charge 30K a year for each student

What trade school charges that much? Is that per quarter or the whole degree???

Either way, I say BS.

#2 son (20yo)finished his HS thru a trade school, doing both at the same time. We looked into the cost of continuing with the trade school beyond HS and was about $3000 per quarter with a 2 year degree would come to roughly $24,000 over the 2 years....then minus the year+ he did with HS. for Diesel Mechanic. Unfortunately things didn't go as planned, but he is now working in an apprentice job for that and making a whole lot more than minimum.

AND to your previous other comments about no jobs over minimum...….#3 (18yo) just started in a warehouse, also making a lot more than minimum...….so you can't tell me there are no good jobs available.

As for CNA's...….it's a place to start. All they have to do is get a few more hours training to go up the nursing ladder and depending on where they work, many employers will pay for that training.

Welfare??? Anyone on welfare also has the option of using the system for their own benefit......if they are eligible, they can get help with training for, and getting a job, not to mention free or subsidized childcare costs while doing so, plus whatever other benefits available.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Tax cuts for the rich don't benefit anyone…

Tax cuts were for just about everyone…

To be paying income tax, and thus to benefit from any cut to that tax, one has to be making an income. It seems that those on the left wrong tend to define “the rich” to mean anyone who makes an honest living, by working at an actual job, as opposed to those “poor” parasites who live on public welfare, at the expense of the aforementioned “rich”.

That's how income tax reductions, which benefit everyone who makes an honest living, are characterized as “tax cuts for the rich”.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

During the winter of 68/69, I worked for a couple of months as a high scale welder. I am deathly afraid of heights. Vodka was the answer.

That pretty much tells me all that anyone would need to know about you as a worker.

I would have made a decent Electrician.

No, you would not have. As desperate as my trade is for good workers, one thing we most certainly do not need is drunks.

 

[AntonToo]

Yep, need a crook to fix your roof, no two ways about it.

That makes no fucking sense.

Probably because you are stupid.

No.
Most certainly it's because I have hired roofers.....and the last mofo I want fixing my roof is a crook.

Exactly, hence the sarcastic face emoticon at the end of my post.

We don't need a crook like Trump anywhere near our roof.

You needed a crook like Hillary instead. And since Hillary is a known crook so is anyone she runs against. Shit, they had that election rigged and she still lost, so Trump must have cheated.

Trump getting the boot does not put Hillary in office so that conversation is moot. It puts Pence in office. You are going to tell me he is as crooked as Trump?

 

[AntonToo]

Tax cuts for the rich don't benefit anyone…

Tax cuts were for just about everyone…

To be paying income tax, and thus to benefit from any cut to that tax, one has to be making an income. It seems that those on the left wrong tend to define “the rich” to mean anyone who makes an honest living, by working at an actual job, as opposed to those “poor” parasites who live on public welfare, at the expense of the aforementioned “rich”.

That's how income tax reductions, which benefit everyone who makes an honest living, are characterized as “tax cuts for the rich”.

Thats a strawman, never heard any lefty define "rich" that way.

 

[westwall]

Higher wage jobs require people with an education. Without an education, people may have to work two jobs, just as it always has been.

There are literally millions of well educated people flipping burgers and doing other McJobs for low wages because those are the ONLY jobs being created.

This is why you have a student debt crisis. Other nations aren’t set up to hobble their young people with tens of thousands of dollars of debt coming out of school.

Your entire economy is now set up to funnel all of the money to the top, and keep working people indebted and struggling throughout their lives.

Yes, obummer was destroying the manufacturing sector. Thanks for pointing that out.

And rump hasn't changed that either. In fact, there are more college educated people working lower paid jobs now than ever before. Before the huge increase in "Service Jobs" they stayed home. Now, they have somewhere to spend their time. I guess you can call it therapy. You certainly can't call it an economic boom.

Yet again, for the terminally stupid, businesses are still responding to obummer policies.

You are still saying that after 3 years of Trump presidency and two years after significant tax-cuts to Corporations and other business? Getting kinda old.

Yes you idiot. Businesses are cautious. They have to be. They could invest a shitload of money only to have the next dem president come in and go back to obummer policy which would put them out of business

 

[Mr Natural]

Trump getting the boot does not put Hillary in office so that conversation is moot. It puts Pence in office. You are going to tell me he is as crooked as Trump?

I’ll take a carnival barker over a religious nut job any day

 

[Bob Blaylock]

It seems that those on the left wrong tend to define “the rich” to mean anyone who makes an honest living, by working at an actual job…

Thats [sic] a strawman, never heard any lefty define "rich" that way.

It's the only way to reconcile their persistent characterization of reductions in the income tax as “tax cuts for the rich”.

 

[Dragonlady]

Now it's time to develop a trade or continue your education. Or if you want to settle, MacDonald's is hiring.

So times have changed.

Yes, we're no longer working fields and hard factory jobs. Welcome to 2019, join us from 1950 when your ready.


Dumbass argument

Okay, dumbass, what do you suggest we do to make things better. And don't say University Education. That's priced out of reach for common people these days. Student Debt can never be repaid going that route.

"We" don't need to do much.

School choice.
Get government out of the student loan business.
Encourage trade school and entrepreneurship.
Abolish school unions.
Get rid of tenure status.
Teach PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

^^^that's a good start

Okay, finally, you gave something to work with.

School choice I agree with.

Get Government out of student loan business I agree with the Government still needs to monitor it.

Encourage Trade Schools. I agree. But get a handle on the cost of those trade schools. Make it so that a Student Loan is not necessary to go to a trade school. I am not saying it has to be free but when I see a trade school have 30 students in a class and charge 30K a year for each student that's quite a hefty profit. And that is for one of the cheaper classes. That is almost a million a year they are bringing in for each class. And they may have 20 classes going on at the same time. And that is considered a steal compared to a University in cost.

Encourage entrepreneurship I agree with but don't make that big a deal out of it. Maybe, 1 out of 10 should be entrepreneurs. What would it be like if everyone was one. Who would do the grunt work?

Abolish school unions and get rid of Tenure are the same thing. Or near enough. I don't support nor condemn Unions. It's not the Union that is good nor bad. The Worker must be afforded the possibility of forming a union for negotiation sake. A good Employer will never have a union. Busch versus Coors is a good example. And now Coors may end up with a Union by their own actions after more than a hundred years of changing the treatment their employees. Up until now, Coors has treated their employees more as family.

Teach PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. I agree. And since slightly less than 50% of the Parents are Republicans, that means that almost no one is doing that. Ask yourself this, if you are supporting the Party of the Rump doesn't this go against this as well? I didn't support Hillary for those reasons as well.

It's tough to teach our kids the right thing with we keep supporting the morally bankrupt no matter who it is.

I strongly disagree with school choice. More than any other policy, giving vouchers to parents for charter schools is destroying the American public education system by starving it for funds. When charter schools are opened in poor districts, replacing public schools, overall enrolment goes down as parents who can't afford the difference between the vouchers and the tuition, have nowhere to go.

It's pennywise and pound foolish to deny the poorest students any education at all. With a high quality education, poor kids have at least a shot of getting out of poverty. It's not much of one, in the USA, but a shot. Without one, there is no hope, and instead of creating productive, workers and taxpayers, you create the next generation of welfare recipients and criminals. The financial costs of keeping one prisoner in jail for one year far exceeds the cost of sending that same prisoner to a public university for 4 years. The difference being, when this person gets out of jail, they are less employable than when they went in, and if he/she goes to university, if far more employable than when they went in, and far more likely to be a contributing taxpayer.

You have millions of jobs going begging because American workers lack the skills to do them, and millions of unskilled workers who can't make a living wage even if they do have a job. Why is no one suggesting massive, government funded retraining all these unskilled workers, and better educating American children to fill future jobs, instead of continuing to give 21st Century poor children a 19th Century education?.

 

[NightFox]

Trump getting the boot does not put Hillary in office so that conversation is moot.

SAY WHAT?????? but, but, but She WON THE POPULAR VOTE!

 

[Dragonlady]

It seems that those on the left wrong tend to define “the rich” to mean anyone who makes an honest living, by working at an actual job…

Thats [sic] a strawman, never heard any lefty define "rich" that way.

It's the only way to reconcile their persistent characterization of reductions in the income tax as “tax cuts for the rich”.

That's because the rich are getting the vast majority of the funds, and the tax cuts to the middle class are being phased out, while those to the corporations and their shareholders, are permanent tax cuts.

 

[G.T.]

When your roof is leaking you don't go looking for a philosopher. You don't freak out about exposed butt cracks. You don't fire them for foul language. You don't ask them about previous marriages. You don't ask to see their taxes. You don't ridicule their wife or bring their children into the discussion.
You hire them to fix your problem not audition for a personality contest.

The same things could be said about a heart surgeon or just about any other profession.

Sure Trump has an abrasive personality but I fail to see why it matters. He was hired to do a job and thus far he has done it quite well.

I think you forgot all the things you've posted against trump, in the past. It's like you have these arguments with yourself and just make threads to do the hashing out.