Trump: “America First”....Democrats: ‘Mexico First’

[Redfish]

By the way, you still haven’t answered the question. All you can do is deflect.

What question is that?

Why other countries using tariffs works great for them, and yet it’s not a “trade war”. But if we do it, it’s bad and it’s suddenly a “trade war”.

Because other countries are far more socialist than we are, and tariffs are about controlling the economy.

Tariffs work great in China because they are a Socialist Market Economy and the government controls much of the economy.

Do you wish our government to become more like theirs?

horseshit, tariffs are about protecting industries within the country by making foreign products less price competitive. But I guess you are ok with Chinese companies (the Chinese government) making profits at the expense of American companies?

But only the industries chosen by the government to get "protection", other industries are fucked because they things they need for their industries are now costing more.

If American companies cannot compete, how is that my problem? Why should I be punished and made to pay more to cover for their failures?

Tariffs have been used wherever a foreign country tries to sell its products in the USA at prices lower than a US company can sell for.

Its about protecting US jobs and companies in the USA. Why is that a bad thing to do?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Tariffs have been used wherever a foreign country tries to sell its products in the USA at prices lower than a US company can sell for.

Its about protecting US jobs and companies in the USA. Why is that a bad thing to do?

It is not a bad thing if you prefer your government to pick the winners and losers instead of the free market.

It works wonderfully in China since they have a Socialist Market Economy.

Personally, I am one of those weird ones that prefer the private market to make these choices vice the government. But then again I am not a statist like you.

 

[theHawk]

Tariffs have been used wherever a foreign country tries to sell its products in the USA at prices lower than a US company can sell for.

Its about protecting US jobs and companies in the USA. Why is that a bad thing to do?

It is not a bad thing if you prefer your government to pick the winners and losers instead of the free market.

It works wonderfully in China since they have a Socialist Market Economy.

Personally, I am one of those weird ones that prefer the private market to make these choices vice the government. But then again I am not a statist like you.

Ah, the “free market” mantra....the cry of the neocon who only cares about corporate profits and doesn’t care about jobs being shipped overseas.

Free competition should only happen with countries that have similar laws to abide by, such as labor laws and environmental laws. Having US companies compete directly against slave labor and a country that flatly ignores environment laws is just setting them up for failure. But that is exactly what we did. So all those companies just moved their manufacturing to those shit hole countries. How is it healthy for our country if the vast majority of jobs moves overseas?

At least with tariffs we can penalize countries that use virtual slave labor and shit on the environment, while allowing free trade and competition with like countries, such as the EU.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Ah, the “free market” mantra....the cry of the neocon who only cares about corporate profits and doesn’t care about jobs being shipped overseas.

4% unemployment rate with far more jobs than people to fill them...perhaps jobs going overseas was not such a bad thing...who would fill those jobs if they were here.

Free competition should only happen with countries that have similar laws to abide by, such as labor laws and environmental laws. Having US companies compete directly against slave labor and a country that flatly ignores environment laws is just setting them up for failure. But that is exactly what we did. So all those companies just moved their manufacturing to those shit hole countries. How is it healthy for our country if the vast majority of jobs moves overseas?

Failure? are you joking? US corporations have been seeing record profits for years. The vast majority of jobs have not moved overseas, quit parroting stupid talking points. We are now 116 months into the 2nd longest period of economic expansion in the history of the country, only 4 off the record. All of those months came under the current trade deals as we have not made a new one yet.

At least with tariffs we can penalize countries that use virtual slave labor and shit on the environment, while allowing free trade and competition with like countries, such as the EU.

Tariffs do not punish countries, they punish the US consumer that buys the items that have had a tariff put on them. A tariff is just another name for a tax, a tax the US consumer pays.

 

[Redfish]

Tariffs have been used wherever a foreign country tries to sell its products in the USA at prices lower than a US company can sell for.

Its about protecting US jobs and companies in the USA. Why is that a bad thing to do?

It is not a bad thing if you prefer your government to pick the winners and losers instead of the free market.

It works wonderfully in China since they have a Socialist Market Economy.

Personally, I am one of those weird ones that prefer the private market to make these choices vice the government. But then again I am not a statist like you.

If the free market was totally open on a world wide basis, then workers in the US would see their pay reduced to $5/day or less in order to compete with Chinese child labor. OR, American companies would close and everything would be made in china. How exactly would that help americans? We cannot compete with most of the world on an hourly rate basis, everyone knows that. Tariffs keep America on an equal footing, but like most liberals, you seem to want this country to fail. I don't understand that.

 

[Redfish]

Ah, the “free market” mantra....the cry of the neocon who only cares about corporate profits and doesn’t care about jobs being shipped overseas.

4% unemployment rate with far more jobs than people to fill them...perhaps jobs going overseas was not such a bad thing...who would fill those jobs if they were here.

Free competition should only happen with countries that have similar laws to abide by, such as labor laws and environmental laws. Having US companies compete directly against slave labor and a country that flatly ignores environment laws is just setting them up for failure. But that is exactly what we did. So all those companies just moved their manufacturing to those shit hole countries. How is it healthy for our country if the vast majority of jobs moves overseas?

Failure? are you joking? US corporations have been seeing record profits for years. The vast majority of jobs have not moved overseas, quit parroting stupid talking points. We are now 116 months into the 2nd longest period of economic expansion in the history of the country, only 4 off the record. All of those months came under the current trade deals as we have not made a new one yet.

At least with tariffs we can penalize countries that use virtual slave labor and shit on the environment, while allowing free trade and competition with like countries, such as the EU.

Tariffs do not punish countries, they punish the US consumer that buys the items that have had a tariff put on them. A tariff is just another name for a tax, a tax the US consumer pays.

you obviously learned your version of economics at a far left liberal arts institution. Nothing you said here is true. the brainwashing and indoctrination worked. People like you are the real problem in this country.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Tariffs have been used wherever a foreign country tries to sell its products in the USA at prices lower than a US company can sell for.

Its about protecting US jobs and companies in the USA. Why is that a bad thing to do?

It is not a bad thing if you prefer your government to pick the winners and losers instead of the free market.

It works wonderfully in China since they have a Socialist Market Economy.

Personally, I am one of those weird ones that prefer the private market to make these choices vice the government. But then again I am not a statist like you.

If the free market was totally open on a world wide basis, then workers in the US would see their pay reduced to $5/day or less in order to compete with Chinese child labor. OR, American companies would close and everything would be made in china. How exactly would that help americans? We cannot compete with most of the world on an hourly rate basis, everyone knows that. Tariffs keep America on an equal footing, but like most liberals, you seem to want this country to fail. I don't understand that.

Only you would want to be on equal footing with those nations that are lesser than we are. We do not need to compete on an hourly basis, we have never been able to do that and yet we have 4% UE and more jobs than people and 116 months straight of economic expansion.

Which of those things would you like to see end first? Is 4% too low for you so you want it to go up?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Ah, the “free market” mantra....the cry of the neocon who only cares about corporate profits and doesn’t care about jobs being shipped overseas.

4% unemployment rate with far more jobs than people to fill them...perhaps jobs going overseas was not such a bad thing...who would fill those jobs if they were here.

Free competition should only happen with countries that have similar laws to abide by, such as labor laws and environmental laws. Having US companies compete directly against slave labor and a country that flatly ignores environment laws is just setting them up for failure. But that is exactly what we did. So all those companies just moved their manufacturing to those shit hole countries. How is it healthy for our country if the vast majority of jobs moves overseas?

Failure? are you joking? US corporations have been seeing record profits for years. The vast majority of jobs have not moved overseas, quit parroting stupid talking points. We are now 116 months into the 2nd longest period of economic expansion in the history of the country, only 4 off the record. All of those months came under the current trade deals as we have not made a new one yet.

At least with tariffs we can penalize countries that use virtual slave labor and shit on the environment, while allowing free trade and competition with like countries, such as the EU.

Tariffs do not punish countries, they punish the US consumer that buys the items that have had a tariff put on them. A tariff is just another name for a tax, a tax the US consumer pays.

you obviously learned your version of economics at a far left liberal arts institution. Nothing you said here is true. the brainwashing and indoctrination worked. People like you are the real problem in this country.

So it is not true that the UE rate is 4%?
It is not true we have more jobs than people?
It is not true that we are 116 months into a period of economic expansion, the 2nd longest in our history?
It is not true that the consumer pays the tariff, not the country sending the product?
It is not true that a tariff is just another type of tax?

You are so fucking stupid I wonder if someone has to tie your shoes for you.

 

[Redfish]

Tariffs have been used wherever a foreign country tries to sell its products in the USA at prices lower than a US company can sell for.

Its about protecting US jobs and companies in the USA. Why is that a bad thing to do?

It is not a bad thing if you prefer your government to pick the winners and losers instead of the free market.

It works wonderfully in China since they have a Socialist Market Economy.

Personally, I am one of those weird ones that prefer the private market to make these choices vice the government. But then again I am not a statist like you.

If the free market was totally open on a world wide basis, then workers in the US would see their pay reduced to $5/day or less in order to compete with Chinese child labor. OR, American companies would close and everything would be made in china. How exactly would that help americans? We cannot compete with most of the world on an hourly rate basis, everyone knows that. Tariffs keep America on an equal footing, but like most liberals, you seem to want this country to fail. I don't understand that.

Only you would want to be on equal footing with those nations that are lesser than we are. We do not need to compete on an hourly basis, we have never been able to do that and yet we have 4% UE and more jobs than people and 116 months straight of economic expansion.

Which of those things would you like to see end first? Is 4% too low for you so you want it to go up?

Now you are not even making sense. do you know why there are no commercial ships built in this country any more? Because France, Italy, Germany, and Spain subsidize their shipyards to capture the international market---a form or tariff.

the entire world does it but you think its terrible if we play be the same rules. I will never understand why liberals hate this country and want it to collapse.

 

[Redfish]

Ah, the “free market” mantra....the cry of the neocon who only cares about corporate profits and doesn’t care about jobs being shipped overseas.

4% unemployment rate with far more jobs than people to fill them...perhaps jobs going overseas was not such a bad thing...who would fill those jobs if they were here.

Free competition should only happen with countries that have similar laws to abide by, such as labor laws and environmental laws. Having US companies compete directly against slave labor and a country that flatly ignores environment laws is just setting them up for failure. But that is exactly what we did. So all those companies just moved their manufacturing to those shit hole countries. How is it healthy for our country if the vast majority of jobs moves overseas?

Failure? are you joking? US corporations have been seeing record profits for years. The vast majority of jobs have not moved overseas, quit parroting stupid talking points. We are now 116 months into the 2nd longest period of economic expansion in the history of the country, only 4 off the record. All of those months came under the current trade deals as we have not made a new one yet.

At least with tariffs we can penalize countries that use virtual slave labor and shit on the environment, while allowing free trade and competition with like countries, such as the EU.

Tariffs do not punish countries, they punish the US consumer that buys the items that have had a tariff put on them. A tariff is just another name for a tax, a tax the US consumer pays.

you obviously learned your version of economics at a far left liberal arts institution. Nothing you said here is true. the brainwashing and indoctrination worked. People like you are the real problem in this country.

So it is not true that the UE rate is 4%?
It is not true we have more jobs than people?
It is not true that we are 116 months into a period of economic expansion, the 2nd longest in our history?
It is not true that the consumer pays the tariff, not the country sending the product?
It is not true that a tariff is just another type of tax?

You are so fucking stupid I wonder if someone has to tie your shoes for you.

its actually below 4%
if that was true the UE rate would be 0
not 116 months, more like 30
ultimately the consumer whether in the US or somewhere else, pays the tariff
you can call it a tax if you want, but it is preferable to using tax money for unemployment benefits and welfare.

Now, I understand why you only buy slip on shoes.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Tariffs have been used wherever a foreign country tries to sell its products in the USA at prices lower than a US company can sell for.

Its about protecting US jobs and companies in the USA. Why is that a bad thing to do?

It is not a bad thing if you prefer your government to pick the winners and losers instead of the free market.

It works wonderfully in China since they have a Socialist Market Economy.

Personally, I am one of those weird ones that prefer the private market to make these choices vice the government. But then again I am not a statist like you.

If the free market was totally open on a world wide basis, then workers in the US would see their pay reduced to $5/day or less in order to compete with Chinese child labor. OR, American companies would close and everything would be made in china. How exactly would that help americans? We cannot compete with most of the world on an hourly rate basis, everyone knows that. Tariffs keep America on an equal footing, but like most liberals, you seem to want this country to fail. I don't understand that.

Only you would want to be on equal footing with those nations that are lesser than we are. We do not need to compete on an hourly basis, we have never been able to do that and yet we have 4% UE and more jobs than people and 116 months straight of economic expansion.

Which of those things would you like to see end first? Is 4% too low for you so you want it to go up?

Now you are not even making sense. do you know why there are no commercial ships built in this country any more? Because France, Italy, Germany, and Spain subsidize their shipyards to capture the international market---a form or tariff.

the entire world does it but you think its terrible if we play be the same rules. I will never understand why liberals hate this country and want it to collapse.

We do build commercial ships in this country. Why do you people keep parroting the same fake talking points?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

its actually below 4%

Thanks for proving my point.

if that was true the UE rate would be 0

Are you really that stupid or is this just an act for the internet?

not 116 months, more like 30

The current period of economic expansion began in June of 2009...that was more than 30 months ago...but I realize you are too stupid to do simple math.

ultimately the consumer whether in the US or somewhere else, pays the tariff

Thanks for admitting I was correct about that as well.

you can call it a tax if you want, but it is preferable to using tax money for unemployment benefits and welfare.

Thanks for admitting I was correct about that as well.

 

[SmokeALib]

Stop buying Chinese garbage. Problem solved.

 

[Redfish]

Tariffs have been used wherever a foreign country tries to sell its products in the USA at prices lower than a US company can sell for.

Its about protecting US jobs and companies in the USA. Why is that a bad thing to do?

It is not a bad thing if you prefer your government to pick the winners and losers instead of the free market.

It works wonderfully in China since they have a Socialist Market Economy.

Personally, I am one of those weird ones that prefer the private market to make these choices vice the government. But then again I am not a statist like you.

If the free market was totally open on a world wide basis, then workers in the US would see their pay reduced to $5/day or less in order to compete with Chinese child labor. OR, American companies would close and everything would be made in china. How exactly would that help americans? We cannot compete with most of the world on an hourly rate basis, everyone knows that. Tariffs keep America on an equal footing, but like most liberals, you seem to want this country to fail. I don't understand that.

Only you would want to be on equal footing with those nations that are lesser than we are. We do not need to compete on an hourly basis, we have never been able to do that and yet we have 4% UE and more jobs than people and 116 months straight of economic expansion.

Which of those things would you like to see end first? Is 4% too low for you so you want it to go up?

Now you are not even making sense. do you know why there are no commercial ships built in this country any more? Because France, Italy, Germany, and Spain subsidize their shipyards to capture the international market---a form or tariff.

the entire world does it but you think its terrible if we play be the same rules. I will never understand why liberals hate this country and want it to collapse.

We do build commercial ships in this country. Why do you people keep parroting the same fake talking points?

Where? name the shipyards building commercial cargo ships or cruise ships. We build lots of Navy and Coast Guard ships, and some barges and tugs, but no large cargo ships, cruise ships, or tankers. I was in that business for over 40 years, I know the facts on this.

 

[Redfish]

its actually below 4%

Thanks for proving my point.

if that was true the UE rate would be 0

Are you really that stupid or is this just an act for the internet?

not 116 months, more like 30

The current period of economic expansion began in June of 2009...that was more than 30 months ago...but I realize you are too stupid to do simple math.

ultimately the consumer whether in the US or somewhere else, pays the tariff

Thanks for admitting I was correct about that as well.

you can call it a tax if you want, but it is preferable to using tax money for unemployment benefits and welfare.

Thanks for admitting I was correct about that as well.

call the orderly, I think its time for your oatmeal and a depends change.

 

[Redfish]

Stop buying Chinese garbage. Problem solved.

people like golf gator are not able to grasp that simple concept, they only look at the bottom line price to them, people like him are why there are walmarts selling tons of Chinese crap.

 

[BluesLegend]

Theres just no other way to spin it folks...let’s be completely honest, nobody in the House or Senate really gives two fucks about the $5B as they have all shown their disregard for fiscal responsibility many times before. This is all about Democrats watching their plan for one party rule slip away as stopping the Brown Invaders slows the degradation of our nation and the growth potential for their Party Of Filth. This is simple shit for third graders.

Democrats are scum, they should be sent to prison for aiding and abetting illegals who kill Americans.

 

[jc456]

Theres just no other way to spin it folks...let’s be completely honest, nobody in the House or Senate really gives two fucks about the $5B as they have all shown their disregard for fiscal responsibility many times before. This is all about Democrats watching their plan for one party rule slip away as stopping the Brown Invaders slows the degradation of our nation and the growth potential for their Party Of Filth. This is simple shit for third graders.

Mexico isn’t going to pay for the wall?

they are already paying, the trade and the caravan in Tijuana have cost the mexicans quite a lot that we haven't had to pay out.

Edit: again, you are not smart enough to understand basic economics.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

It is not a bad thing if you prefer your government to pick the winners and losers instead of the free market.

It works wonderfully in China since they have a Socialist Market Economy.

Personally, I am one of those weird ones that prefer the private market to make these choices vice the government. But then again I am not a statist like you.

If the free market was totally open on a world wide basis, then workers in the US would see their pay reduced to $5/day or less in order to compete with Chinese child labor. OR, American companies would close and everything would be made in china. How exactly would that help americans? We cannot compete with most of the world on an hourly rate basis, everyone knows that. Tariffs keep America on an equal footing, but like most liberals, you seem to want this country to fail. I don't understand that.

Only you would want to be on equal footing with those nations that are lesser than we are. We do not need to compete on an hourly basis, we have never been able to do that and yet we have 4% UE and more jobs than people and 116 months straight of economic expansion.

Which of those things would you like to see end first? Is 4% too low for you so you want it to go up?

Now you are not even making sense. do you know why there are no commercial ships built in this country any more? Because France, Italy, Germany, and Spain subsidize their shipyards to capture the international market---a form or tariff.

the entire world does it but you think its terrible if we play be the same rules. I will never understand why liberals hate this country and want it to collapse.

We do build commercial ships in this country. Why do you people keep parroting the same fake talking points?

Where? name the shipyards building commercial cargo ships or cruise ships. We build lots of Navy and Coast Guard ships, and some barges and tugs, but no large cargo ships, cruise ships, or tankers. I was in that business for over 40 years, I know the facts on this.

Liar..

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[Harpy Eagle]

Stop buying Chinese garbage. Problem solved.

people like golf gator are not able to grasp that simple concept, they only look at the bottom line price to them, people like him are why there are walmarts selling tons of Chinese crap.

I buy the best combination of price and quality. I do not give a fuck where it is made.

I bet you have a Chinese made cellphone..you lying hypocrite.