CDZ Trotting out the dogs and ponies.

[jwoodie]

Now we have Khazir Khan, a Muslim American shaking a copy of the US Constitution at Trump even though Trump had nothing to do with the war that killed his son.

??? Did you read or hear Mr. Khan's speech? If so, what in it pertains, obliquely or directly, to the Iraq War II, it's combatants, or catalysts? Or even on war in general? What in it ascribes to Trump any element of blame for Mr. Khan's son's death?

The text of Mr. Khan's speech:

Tonight we are honoured to stand here as parents of Captain Humayun Khan and as patriotic American Muslims - with undivided loyalty to our country. Like many immigrants, we came to this country empty-handed. We believed in American democracy; that with hard work and goodness of this country, we could share in and contribute to its blessings. We are blessed to raise our three sons in a nation where they were free to be themselves and follow their dreams.

Our son, Humayun, had dreams too, of being a military lawyer, but he put those dreams aside the day he sacrificed his life to save the lives of his fellow soldiers. Hillary Clinton was right when she called my son 'the best of America'. If it was up to Donald Trump, he never would have been in America.

Donald Trump consistently smears the character of Muslims. He disrespects other minorities; women; judges; even his own party leadership. He vows to build walls, and ban us from this country. Donald Trump, you're asking Americans to trust you with their future.

Donald Trump consistently smears the character of Muslims. He disrespects other minorities; women; judges; even his own party leadership. He vows to build walls, and ban us from this country. Donald Trump, you're asking Americans to trust you with their future.

Let me ask you: have you even read the United States constitution? I will gladly lend you my copy. [he pulls it out] In this document, look for the words 'liberty' and 'equal protection of law'. Have you ever been to Arlington Cemetery? Go look at the graves of brave patriots who died defending the United States of America. You will see all faiths, genders and ethnicities.

We cannot solve our problems by building walls, sowing division. We are stronger together. And we will keep getting stronger when Hillary Clinton becomes our President.

In conclusion, I ask every patriot American, all Muslim immigrants, and all immigrants to not take this election lightly. This is a historic election, and I request to honour the sacrifice of my son - and on election day, take the time to get out and vote. And vote for the healer. vote for the strongest, most qualified candidate, Hillary Clinton, not the divider.

God bless you, thank you.

God bless you, thank you.​

How did it slip your purview that the central themes of the speech are national unity and immigration?

I see that you have now given up even the pretense of intelligent conversation in favor of repeating DNC talking points. By the way, how do open borders contribute to "national unity?"

 

[320 Years of History]

Now we have Khazir Khan, a Muslim American shaking a copy of the US Constitution at Trump even though Trump had nothing to do with the war that killed his son.

??? Did you read or hear Mr. Khan's speech? If so, what in it pertains, obliquely or directly, to the Iraq War II, it's combatants, or catalysts? Or even on war in general? What in it ascribes to Trump any element of blame for Mr. Khan's son's death?

The post says nothing of the sort. It highlights the lecturing of Trump and the opportunity to suggest that he does not support the constitution.

Red:
??? Of what sort? Are you sure you intended to quote my post? There is no assertion made in any of those questions; such is the nature of most questions. They aren't even rhetorical questions, which is the one kind of question that implies an assertion; however, one distinguishes rhetorical questions from non-rhetorical ones by the fact that the writer answers a rhetorical question s/he asks. You are clearly responding to something/someone, but the questions I asked, and that you quoted, aren't it, at least not in terms of the comments you posted above even though mine is the post you quoted.

 

[OldLady]

We all remember Cindy Sheehan who was used by the liberal press to attack GW Bush. Sheehan's son was killed in the Iraq War and she was paraded by the Democrats incessantly to suggest that Bush was personally responsible. Now we have Khazir Khan, a Muslim American shaking a copy of the US Constitution at Trump even though Trump had nothing to do with the war that killed his son. Apparently trump's calls for a moratorium on Muslim immigrants until we find a way to properly vet them is cause for the Democrats to use Khan to lecture Trump and suggest that he is too stupid to understand the Constitution. It's bizarre. Who can see past this?

Same old same old...but it works on many dumb and uninformed Americans.

Funny...it is always the R that gets shafted. One would think all Americans would see the obvious...I guess the dumbing down of Americans has worked on some.

Poor, poor R's!

You are right about one thing. The "dumbing down" of Americans has worked.

It has certainly worked on the people who support the R agenda.

Glad you decided to hang around.

The R's did exactly the same thing with Patricia Smith at the RNC convention. She accused Clinton of murder. They need to quit whining. (Yeah, like that's ever gonna happen)

 

[OldLady]

Well, Just the other day Clinton told Chris Wallace that Pat Smith, the mother of Sean Smith who was killed in Benghazi, was so overcome with grief that she was confused and hysterically delusional and so could not possibly have heard me blaming a You tube video as the cause. Even though Clinton and Susan Rice were parroting that narrative for a full ten days after the attack with no mention of a planned terrorist attack. Yet Khazir Khan is apparently completely clear headed as he shakes the Constitution on television. Does anyone not find this odd that people are buying into this absurd political theater?

We (at least I) know Hillary lied and she's sticking to her guns--"prove it" is her favorite lawyerly phrase. She is still, for all her faults, better then Trump.

 

[Ray9]

When Chris Wallace asked Clinton why Pat Smith would lie about such a thing Clinton smoothly accused Smith of being delusional and not remembering what was actually said. She had the choice of calling her a liar or calling her crazy. So anyone who questions Clinton about her lies is either a liar themselves or so psychotic they don't know the difference between the truth and a lie. This seems to work just fine with Hillary's supporters.

 

[OldLady]

When Chris Wallace asked Clinton why Pat Smith would lie about such a thing Clinton smoothly accused Smith of being delusional and not remembering what was actually said. She had the choice of calling her a liar or calling her crazy. So anyone who questions Clinton about her lies is either a liar themselves or so psychotic they don't know the difference between the truth and a lie. This seems to work just fine with Hillary's supporters.

You've said this twice, but I watched the interview and Hillary NEVER said Smith was delusional. Nothing close.

 

[Ray9]

Well, after a few convenient platitudes about how she felt her pain Clinton said what amounted to Smith didn't know what she was talking about.

 

[OldLady]

Well, after a few convenient platitudes about how she felt her pain Clinton said what amounted to Smith didn't know what she was talking about.

Far cry from "delusional." And why we haven't been talking about HER response for a week. Clinton is a liar. She will never admit she lied. That's how it is. She was kind in her continued denial that Smith heard her correctly. That's all you'll get from Clinton, but it's better than what Khan got from Trump.

 

[320 Years of History]

Well, after a few convenient platitudes about how she felt her pain Clinton said what amounted to Smith didn't know what she was talking about.

You know, it's quite possible for both those things to be genuine and true.

 

[Ray9]

Anything is possible but Clinton has never taken her eyes off the prize which is to occupy the White House even though she has never done anything in her life but fail upwardly at the considerable expense of those she claims to represent. It's never been about service to the people with Hillary, it's always been about the acquisition of power for self aggrandizement. She is the epitome of a driven, professional politician rolling over anyone or anything that gets in her way. Using a Muslim whose son died in combat to shake the Constitution at Trump is child's play to a lifetime political hack like Clinton. What her supporters should reflect on are the bodies she has left in her wake,

 

[gipper]

We all remember Cindy Sheehan who was used by the liberal press to attack GW Bush. Sheehan's son was killed in the Iraq War and she was paraded by the Democrats incessantly to suggest that Bush was personally responsible. Now we have Khazir Khan, a Muslim American shaking a copy of the US Constitution at Trump even though Trump had nothing to do with the war that killed his son. Apparently trump's calls for a moratorium on Muslim immigrants until we find a way to properly vet them is cause for the Democrats to use Khan to lecture Trump and suggest that he is too stupid to understand the Constitution. It's bizarre. Who can see past this?

Same old same old...but it works on many dumb and uninformed Americans.

Funny...it is always the R that gets shafted. One would think all Americans would see the obvious...I guess the dumbing down of Americans has worked on some.

Poor, poor R's!

You are right about one thing. The "dumbing down" of Americans has worked.

It has certainly worked on the people who support the R agenda.

Glad you decided to hang around.

The R's did exactly the same thing with Patricia Smith at the RNC convention. She accused Clinton of murder. They need to quit whining. (Yeah, like that's ever gonna happen)

Of course, both parties do it. Does that mean it is okay?

 

[Muhammed]

We all remember Cindy Sheehan who was used by the liberal press to attack GW Bush. Sheehan's son was killed in the Iraq War and she was paraded by the Democrats incessantly to suggest that Bush was personally responsible. Now we have Khazir Khan, a Muslim American shaking a copy of the US Constitution at Trump even though Trump had nothing to do with the war that killed his son. Apparently trump's calls for a moratorium on Muslim immigrants until we find a way to properly vet them is cause for the Democrats to use Khan to lecture Trump and suggest that he is too stupid to understand the Constitution. It's bizarre. Who can see past this?

Extraordinarily idiotic people. (AKA Dumocrats)

 

[jwoodie]

Well, after a few convenient platitudes about how she felt her pain Clinton said what amounted to Smith didn't know what she was talking about.

Far cry from "delusional." And why we haven't been talking about HER response for a week. Clinton is a liar. She will never admit she lied. That's how it is. She was kind in her continued denial that Smith heard her correctly. That's all you'll get from Clinton, but it's better than what Khan got from Trump.

Speaking of delusional...

 

[OldLady]

Well, after a few convenient platitudes about how she felt her pain Clinton said what amounted to Smith didn't know what she was talking about.

Far cry from "delusional." And why we haven't been talking about HER response for a week. Clinton is a liar. She will never admit she lied. That's how it is. She was kind in her continued denial that Smith heard her correctly. That's all you'll get from Clinton, but it's better than what Khan got from Trump.

Speaking of delusional...

You disagree Clinton lied and that she is still lying? This is the CDZ. You're supposed to actually SAY something, not just come in to snark and drop funnies around.

 

[Ray9]

Not sure if you're responding to me or someone else. I never said Clinton is not a liar. Clinton is a master at hiding her deceptions in plain sight and then camouflaging them by revising and reinventing what others have said. She is already out there "clarifying" what Jim Comey meant when he said Clinton was not truthful when she stated under oath that she sent nothing marked classified. This is the same kind of obfuscation use by Bill Clinton when he was fighting impeachment.

 

[OldLady]

Not sure if you're responding to me or someone else. I never said Clinton is not a liar. Clinton is a master at hiding her deceptions in plain sight and then camouflaging them by revising and reinventing what others have said. She is already out there "clarifying" what Jim Comey meant when he said Clinton was not truthful when she stated under oath that she sent nothing marked classified. This is the same kind of obfuscation use by Bill Clinton when he was fighting impeachment.

Nope, I was talking to JWoodie. If you look at my post #34, the top post in green in the quote box is the one being responded to. JWoodie, then the post he is replying to by Old Lady, and then the post she was replying to, yours.

Anyway, it's all a matter of neither side is pure as the driven snow. It's a matter of who will do the least damage. It comes down to what a person considers "damage," I guess. I've made my (reluctant) decision--unless Trump gets so far behind in the polls that I'm certain my vote won't be needed to keep him out of the WH. Then I'll vote 3rd party or write someone in.

 

[320 Years of History]

neither side is pure as the driven snow.

...Or as seems so often to me, both sides are about as pure as the "driven-in" snow. LOL

 

[OldLady]

neither side is pure as the driven snow.

...Or as seems so often to me, both sides are about as pure as the "driven-in" snow. LOL

Watch out for the yellow patches.

 

[jwoodie]

it's better than what Khan got from Trump.

This is what is "delusional." Khan shamelessly used his son's death as an excuse to further his own political and professional prospects. As for his wife, why couldn't she have spoken like all of the other Gold Star mothers?

 

[Ray9]

It's difficult to fault Khan because his loss is real. He's been led to believe that Trump is the enemy because Trump wants to vet immigrants from parts of the world that pose a threat. He was used for the show. Trump should have held his piece but he is not a politician.