Transgender military: Which boot camp will Transgender Marines go to?

[Political Junky]

Just curious. But...in yet another wonderful result of the Obama Dynasty....the military is now open to trannies.

So....which boot camp will a Tranny Marine recruit go to? A male who IDs as female....will go to female boot camp? And...which standards apply? If a woman IDS as a male....and she goes to male boot camp.... he..or she...or Zim (which is it?) .....which pullup, pushup, run time standards apply?

Libs....please educate me

Your draft board could tell you which one you should go to.

 

[tatted_ghost]

It depends on where you are at transitioning wise - If you have not started HRT (Hormone Replacement Therapy) you are considered to still be of your birth gender. Being Trans* myself (female to male) I have been on HRT for over three years as well as had a gender changing surgery and my birth certificate/legal documents corrected - So when I enlist I will be a male recruit and held to all male standards - As for being Transgender being a "mental disease" as of 2012 the American Psychiatric Association removed Transgender as a mental illness - Personally I would hope someone would rather me be there to protect them than you who seems to be illiterate enough to not even use the correct terms nor do research before posting

 

[JimBowie1958]

So....if a young person enlists in the Marines....and reports for departure for boot camp....and tells them "I'm no longer a male. I'm a transgender. I now am a female".....which boot camp does shim go to? The male or female one? Which pullup standard must shim meet....the boy or girl?

And what if he changes his mind during boot camp and decides he is the opposite gendernow? Are the MArines to keep bouncing him/she/it around the corps from base to base to suit this demented retard's every whim?

roflmao

Which boot camp will Transgender Marines go to?

Camp Boot Up Your Ass

 

[EvilCat Breath]

I'm just asking the logistical question. Obama pushed for this. Now he has it.

So....when tranny Marines or Army or AF or Navy go to training....which one do they go to? And do they have to meet the PT standards of their birth gender...or faked one? For example....a fat recruit can't meet his PT marks. So...he just says "that's it....I'm a woman now" and he can go by female required scores?

Oh come on. Jeez.

No seriously. The lefties and LGBT movement wanted this...Obama pushed it...we have it.

So....if a young person enlists in the Marines....and reports for departure for boot camp....and tells them "I'm no longer a male. I'm a transgender. I now am a female".....which boot camp does shim go to? The male or female one? Which pullup standard must shim meet....the boy or girl?

A person who is a transgender starts to identify as the other gender at an early age, and their identity is pretty much solidified by the time they are in their mid teens.

A person who claims to be transgendered is going to have to provide documentation to their recruiter BEFORE being brought to MEPS and being processed for enlistment, just like any other pre existing condition.

No. The military is not going to suddenly let you change your mind halfway through boot camp. What you sign up as is what you are considered.

And yeah............if you're a woman who believes shes a male, you must meet the requirements of males. If you're a male who identifies as female, you must meet the requirements of males.

I mean..................after all...................didn't those 2 women make it through Army Ranger training without standards being lowered for them?

Yes. They did.

You think they did?

Female Rangers Were Given Special Treatment, Sources Say

 

[waltky]

The Donald signs new transgender military ban...

Trump signs new transgender military ban
24 Mar`18 - President Trump has signed a memorandum that bans some transgender people from US military service but rolls back the blanket ban he ordered last year.

The new directive adopts recommendations from Defence Secretary Jim Mattis that "transgender persons who require or have undergone gender transition" cannot serve. But it gives the Pentagon and other agencies some discretion in the matter. The earlier blanket ban was blocked by federal judges. The new memorandum says that transgender individuals with a history of gender dysphoria are barred from military service "except under certain limited circumstances".

The blanket ban announced last year was blocked by federal judges​

The Department of Defence (DoD) had submitted a report to the president which said allowing those with a history of gender dysphoria to serve entailed "substantial risks" and could, by exempting them from existing physical, mental and sex-based standards, "undermine readiness... and impose an unreasonable burden on the military". It said the Obama administration's decision to allow transgender individuals to serve in the military was largely based on a 2016 study by the Rand think-tank, which "contained significant shortcomings".

Gender dysphoria

* The experience of distress or discomfort as a result of a disparity between a person's biological sex (assigned at birth) and what they feel their gender to be
* Also referred to as transgenderism, gender incongruence or GID (gender identity disorder)
* The exact causes are unclear. In some cases hormones that trigger biological sex development may function differently and there are rare conditions such as intersex
* Treatment is also varied and aims to reduce the distress. The individual may dress or live in the preferred gender or undergo surgery and hormone treatment to change appearance
* Gender dysphoria remains rare but is increasing, with greater public awareness

The report found that allowing transgender people to serve openly would have a minimal impact on force readiness and healthcare costs. The new policy approved by President Trump allows current transgender service members with gender dysphoria to continue serving if they were diagnosed after the Obama administration's policy took effect.

'Cowardly and disgusting'

 

[waltky]

Judge gives short shrift to transgender ban...

Judge Shows Scant Patience for Military Transgender Ban
28 Mar 2018 — President Trump's move to tweak his ban on transgender people joining the military might not save it from being struck down.

President Donald Trump's move last week to tweak his ban on transgender people joining the military might not save it from being struck down, a federal judge in Seattle suggested Tuesday. U.S. District Judge Marsha Pechman was one of four federal judges around the country who late last year temporarily blocked the president from overturning an Obama-era directive allowing transgender troops to serve openly, finding the ban likely unlawful and discriminatory. The legal challenges have been brought by transgender troops, those who aspire to serve and a range of civil rights organizations. Pechman scheduled a hearing Tuesday for arguments on whether to make her ruling permanent, but late Friday, Trump announced that he was rescinding his previous decision after a Pentagon review. Instead of barring transgender troops outright, he would allow them to serve in certain limited cases. Any who have transitioned to their preferred gender or who need medical treatment to do so would be presumed ineligible for service, though they could seek individual waivers allowing them to serve.

The Justice Department immediately asked Pechman and other federal judges to dissolve their old orders as moot — something Pechman showed little interest in doing, noting that the late Friday filing left scant time for the plaintiffs to respond. None of the other courts held hearings in cases challenging the transgender ban since the new policy came out Friday, though U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly in Washington, D.C., scheduled a case conference for Wednesday morning. Cases are also pending in federal court in Baltimore and Riverside, California. Pechman requested further briefing within a week about how the president's new policy might affect the case, but she insisted Tuesday that both sides limit their arguments to the broader initial ban and suggested that her ruling might focus on that. The hearing was reminiscent of some of the legal challenges to Trump's travel ban, when he repeatedly changed his policies in light of unfavorable court rulings.

Plaintiff Conner Callahan, right, listens as attorney Natalie Nardecchia speaks to media members in front of a federal courthouse following a hearing there Tuesday, March 27, 2018, in Seattle. U.S. District Judge Marsha Pechman says she won't immediately consider President Donald Trump's new policy banning transgender people from serving in the military.​

Pechman repeatedly asked Justice Department lawyer Ryan Parker for any evidence in the record that banning transgendered people would further the military's asserted goals of unit cohesion, morale, preparedness and cost savings: "I can't find any factual underpinnings in what you've supplied to me," she said at one point. Parker pointed her toward a report from Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, released in support of the president's revised policy, but the judge dismissed it, saying the report wasn't properly before her because it was filed late. Pechman also shrugged off the government's argument that the courts should give deference to the military as the entity best suited to determine what is required for national defense. The judge noted that the courts once gave such deference in allowing the military to segregate troops by race, ban women, ban women from combat, and ban gays — all of which have since been overturned. "In retrospect, all of that deference was in error," Pechman said.

She chastised Parker over other points as well, saying the government had evaded page limits by using a smaller font than allowed in its filings and that he failed to respond to arguments raised by the state of Washington, which intervened on the side of the plaintiffs. Natalie Nardecchia, an attorney with Lambda Legal who represents the plaintiffs, argued that the government's new policy is irrelevant: Trump set out with a goal of banning transgender people from serving in any capacity, as he announced on Twitter, and then set about having the military come up with an after-the-fact rationale as to why it should be implemented. "When the government discriminates against a group of people, they have to have a reason; they can't say, we'll go study it and come up with a reason," Nardecchia said. "Making slight changes in the policy in its final version does not render it constitutional."

Judge Shows Scant Patience for Military Transgender Ban