Discussion in 'Current Events' started by JBeukema, May 20, 2011.
So... we'll not be getting our liberty back?
Certainly, Barack Obama, guardian of freedom, protector of rights, will veto this travesty of justice called "The Patriot Act" and restore freedom to the land for all Americans.
Anyone who believes Obama is any different than Bush is kidding themselves. It's like cheering for the National League or the American League in Baseball. No matter who wins the World Series, you don't get to share in any of it! Suckers!
Theres really not much more to be said. Given the deal, replacing republicans with democrats or democrats with republicans isnt going to help.
Weve filed lawsuits over the years with mixed success the "National Security Letters" lawsuit was successful along with the gag provision being struck down as un-Constitutional prior restraint.
Some suits were dropped because Congress just rewrites sections of the law making such actions moot. The Section 215 rewrite, for example, does now allow for challenges and legal consultation prior to responding.
But it could be argued Congress is not to blame, as it merely reflects the cowardice of the American people as a whole who will, yet again, surrender liberty for security.
Not a single detractor from the Patriot act has provided a real or verifiable loss of freedom anyone has been subjected too.
But you keep whining.
Manifold gave me neg rep for the last post but notice he has not actually posted any proof of any lost rights. Why? Because there are none.
Not as long as we keep voting for Democrats and Republicans.
The fact that the government is looking at your visa statements and bank records; listening to your telephone calls; reading your e-mails; this is not a loss of privacy and freedom?
Sorry RGS - You can't see the forest for the trees. The Patriot act is a violation of the 4th Amendment. Period.
What you fail to understand is that rights once lost may never be reclaimed.
I didn't vote for Obama, but when he got elected I had some really high hopes that at least the patriot act would be repealed.
If Obama had become the anti-bush he promised to be and rolled back the expansion of federal powers that has been going on for the past few years he would very likely had gotten my vote in 2012. He will not be getting my vote.
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