Top 1% file class action suit for being forced to pay 40% of income taxes.

[TNHarley]

Relying on private charity has not worked since before the Great Depression and it did not work then

Private charity is inherently inefficient since it must expend a large percent of its contributions to generate more contributions. It is also incapable of handling massive loss like we saw in Hurricane Sandy

YES...we do need government charity

Inefficient?? No.. You look at many a charity and they are highly efficient.. it is the government that is inefficient

No... we do not need government charity.. and if you feel it is needed, go right ahead with a constitutional amendment to make the government empowered to be a charity, which it is not now... even though that power was grabbed by them for the sake of power long ago

The government is highly efficient. The tax system and disbursal system has very low overhead. Every dollar a charity spends seeking contributions is one less dollar available to the needy

Explain how private charities would handle the devastation of Hurricane Sandy?

Providing for the General Welfare is already in the Constitution

God forbid them to advertise. Hate it when people know they exist

 

[DiamondDave]

Relying on private charity has not worked since before the Great Depression and it did not work then

Private charity is inherently inefficient since it must expend a large percent of its contributions to generate more contributions. It is also incapable of handling massive loss like we saw in Hurricane Sandy

YES...we do need government charity

Inefficient?? No.. You look at many a charity and they are highly efficient.. it is the government that is inefficient

No... we do not need government charity.. and if you feel it is needed, go right ahead with a constitutional amendment to make the government empowered to be a charity, which it is not now... even though that power was grabbed by them for the sake of power long ago

The government is highly efficient. The tax system and disbursal system has very low overhead. Every dollar a charity spends seeking contributions is one less dollar available to the needy

Explain how private charities would handle the devastation of Hurricane Sandy?

Providing for the General Welfare is already in the Constitution

Absolute flat out BULLSHIT.. the amount of bureaucracy and red tape and middle men in the government is ASTRONOMICAL

As for hurricane Sandy.. ask the Red Cross and the extraordinary effort they have in manpower and $$$

And you, you fucking idiotic asshole, once again leave off the entire last part of Article 1 Section 8.... try reading the whole statement and subsequent list of SPECIFIC POWERS which are tied to the charge of the 'general welfare OF THE UNITED STATES' (AKA The UNION, not every fucking individual)

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It's a difference in philosophy from the start

I want people to learn how money can make money, to be free and prosperous; it should be taught in grade school.

Progressive are slave owners, they want to keep people powerless and dependent, that's what they teach in grade schools

 

[DiamondDave]

Inefficient?? No.. You look at many a charity and they are highly efficient.. it is the government that is inefficient

No... we do not need government charity.. and if you feel it is needed, go right ahead with a constitutional amendment to make the government empowered to be a charity, which it is not now... even though that power was grabbed by them for the sake of power long ago

The government is highly efficient. The tax system and disbursal system has very low overhead. Every dollar a charity spends seeking contributions is one less dollar available to the needy

Explain how private charities would handle the devastation of Hurricane Sandy?

Providing for the General Welfare is already in the Constitution

God forbid them to advertise. Hate it when people know they exist

And the government does not advertise it's 'offerings', programs, etc

 

[KissMy]

Facts from the IRS: From 2001 to 2007 the people with the highest income got the biggest percentage cuts in their actual tax payments. The middle class had to subsidize the rich even more than before. It is time to end the tax subsidy to the rich. The middle class is tired of carrying your fat ass.

I wonder if the rich having amazing accountants had anything to do with that? The more educated the person, the more holes to find. Which means less tax. Most middle class people do what? Go to H & R Block or Turbo Tax.

True - The rich can afford to hire smarter tax accountants. The thing is more loopholes appeared between 2001 & 2007 for those accountants to push the rich through.

The other interesting facts shown in the IRS data is the poor are actually paying income taxes contrary to the BS hype on TV.

The middle class is carrying the rich & the poor on their backs. It would be nice if the rich would get off our backs & share the load.

 

[Wry Catcher]

What doya want Edward? A socialist revolution?

That is what happens when wealth distribution gets too lopsided.

with 1% paying 40%
of taxes I'm not surprised they want a revolution or at least a court settlement.

When the top 1% own 90% of the wealth of our nation I suspect they're getting a very good deal. Equal protection, hmm, so any gold, oil, natural gas, coal, etc. taken from the earth within the borders of the United States should be apportioned equally to every living American Citizen, correct?

 

[DiamondDave]

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

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Learn to read completely and understand English, wrongwinger.. understand when a sentence or phrase ends and when it continues, and understand what a semicolon means

 

[rightwinger]

provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States

We the people make up the United States

 

[DiamondDave]

provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States

We the people make up the United States

When the people, citizens, persons, or citizenry is meant within the Constitution.. those words are specifically used.... Words were carefully chosen, wrongwinger

And the United States is not made up of 'the people'.. The United States is the union of sovereign states

And lest ye also forget, that the clause (with the use of the semicolon) came with a list of the SPECIFIC things that they are supposed to provide (hence the enumerated powers)

Try and read and understand, moron... English should be your first language.. not just something you butcher for your own agenda

 

[rightwinger]

provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States

We the people make up the United States

When the people, citizens, persons, or citizenry is meant within the Constitution.. those words are specifically used.... Words were carefully chosen, wrongwinger

And the United States is not made up of 'the people'.. The United States is the union of sovereign states

And lest ye also forget, that the clause (with the use of the semicolon) came with a list of the SPECIFIC things that they are supposed to provide (hence the enumerated powers)

Try and read and understand, moron... English should be your first language.. not just something you butcher for your own agenda

Sovereign states are just lines on a map

It is THE PEOPLE who make up those states

 

[DiamondDave]

What doya want Edward? A socialist revolution?

That is what happens when wealth distribution gets too lopsided.

with 1% paying 40%
of taxes I'm not surprised they want a revolution or at least a court settlement.

When the top 1% own 90% of the wealth of our nation I suspect they're getting a very good deal. Equal protection, hmm, so any gold, oil, natural gas, coal, etc. taken from the earth within the borders of the United States should be apportioned equally to every living American Citizen, correct?

We do not tax wealth, moron... and in a free society, you are free to accumulate all for yourself too.. whether you be a generous person, greedy bastard, moron who married into a ketchup empire, athlete, actor, or whatever

And you can own things you create, find, unearth, etc... though you may have to pay a fee or pay for a permit when you do such things on land or in an area you do not personally own

But nice try

 

[DiamondDave]

We the people make up the United States

When the people, citizens, persons, or citizenry is meant within the Constitution.. those words are specifically used.... Words were carefully chosen, wrongwinger

And the United States is not made up of 'the people'.. The United States is the union of sovereign states

And lest ye also forget, that the clause (with the use of the semicolon) came with a list of the SPECIFIC things that they are supposed to provide (hence the enumerated powers)

Try and read and understand, moron... English should be your first language.. not just something you butcher for your own agenda

Soverign states are just lines on a map

It is THE PEOPLE who make up those states

No... wrongwonger... it was the entities of the sovereign states that empowered or charged the federal government.. not each individual within those states...

And again, when the people, citizenry, persons, citizens, etc were meant in the Constitution, those words were MOTHERFUCKING SPECIFICALLY USED... it is not hard to understand.. unless you are an agenda driven idiot such as yourself...

English 101.. take it sometime

 

[rightwinger]

When the people, citizens, persons, or citizenry is meant within the Constitution.. those words are specifically used.... Words were carefully chosen, wrongwinger

And the United States is not made up of 'the people'.. The United States is the union of sovereign states

And lest ye also forget, that the clause (with the use of the semicolon) came with a list of the SPECIFIC things that they are supposed to provide (hence the enumerated powers)

Try and read and understand, moron... English should be your first language.. not just something you butcher for your own agenda

Soverign states are just lines on a map

It is THE PEOPLE who make up those states

No... wrongwonger... it was the entities of the sovereign states that empowered or charged the federal government.. not each individual within those states...

And again, when the people, citizenry, persons, citizens, etc were meant in the Constitution, those words were MOTHERFUCKING SPECIFICALLY USED... it is not hard to understand.. unless you are an agenda driven idiot such as yourself...

English 101.. take it sometime

The United States is ....We the People

Always has been, always will be

The Constitution is a living document

Always has been, always will be

Civics 101...take it sometime

 

[DiamondDave]

Soverign states are just lines on a map

It is THE PEOPLE who make up those states

No... wrongwonger... it was the entities of the sovereign states that empowered or charged the federal government.. not each individual within those states...

And again, when the people, citizenry, persons, citizens, etc were meant in the Constitution, those words were MOTHERFUCKING SPECIFICALLY USED... it is not hard to understand.. unless you are an agenda driven idiot such as yourself...

English 101.. take it sometime

The United States is ....We the People

Always has been, always will be

The Constitution is a living document

Always has been, always will be

Civics 101...take it sometime

Wrong.. the United States are sovereign states joined together for commerce, defense, and common law

The constitution is able to be changed, THRU THE AMENDMENT PROCESS.. which is purposely a hard task

Civics 101.. taken and passed.. unlike yourself

 

[rightwinger]

No... wrongwonger... it was the entities of the sovereign states that empowered or charged the federal government.. not each individual within those states...

And again, when the people, citizenry, persons, citizens, etc were meant in the Constitution, those words were MOTHERFUCKING SPECIFICALLY USED... it is not hard to understand.. unless you are an agenda driven idiot such as yourself...

English 101.. take it sometime

The United States is ....We the People

Always has been, always will be

The Constitution is a living document

Always has been, always will be

Civics 101...take it sometime

Wrong.. the United States are sovereign states joined together for commerce, defense, and common law

The constitution is able to be changed, THRU THE AMENDMENT PROCESS.. which is purposely a hard task

Civics 101.. taken and passed.. unlike yourself

Libertarians have never understood a thing about the Constitution

That is why nobody follows their principles

 

[Synthaholic]

What do the one percent want? More of the wealth of the nation?

They certainly don't want the rest of America to get tired of making up 99% of the Armed forces.

I may not be top 1%.. but I am ~top5%... and what I want.. equal treatment by government under law... I don't want a cheaper rate than person X, but I also don't want a higher rate than person Y, and I certainly don't want person Z paying zero on federal income tax while earning an income

And funny.. I did serve in the Army

Tough shit. Move to Somalia.

 

[Synthaholic]

And the difference between dollar #10 that you earn and dollar #123003 that I earn is what?? Does it buy more or less milk? Does it not spend the same? Is it unable to pay for the same toll? Does it not work in a Coke machine??

Life is not fair

Our society functions as a whole and the people vote to decide how revenue from that society will be generated

Guess what? Those who have little money are not asked to make the same contribution as those who have immense wealth

The basic concept is that those with very little money have to use that money for basic necessities of life (food, shelter, healthcare....) Those with immense wealth still have immense wealth after they have paid for lifes necessities and are asked to contribute more

Funny, I dont remember a vote for all that stimulus.

Then you weren't paying attention, dumbfuck.

Senate Roll Call: How they voted on stimulus bill - www's column on Newsvine

 

[Synthaholic]

Life is not fair

Our society functions as a whole and the people vote to decide how revenue from that society will be generated

Guess what? Those who have little money are not asked to make the same contribution as those who have immense wealth

The basic concept is that those with very little money have to use that money for basic necessities of life (food, shelter, healthcare....) Those with immense wealth still have immense wealth after they have paid for lifes necessities and are asked to contribute more

You are right.. life is not fair.. yet you try and legislate 'fair' into the tax code...

Those with little money in a flat tax system are not making the same contribution.. they are making a lesser total contribution.... but in terms of per dollar, just as in sales tax, gas tax, etc.. THEY ARE ALREADY PAYING THE SAME...

You can't have your cake and eat it too, wrongwinger

Charity is not the job of government... it is the job of the individual and organizations formed voluntarily by like minded individuals

Relying on private charity has not worked since before the Great Depression and it did not work then

Private charity is inherently inefficient since it must expend a large percent of its contributions to generate more contributions. It is also incapable of handling massive loss like we saw in Hurricane Sandy

YES...we do need government charity

If charity solved the problem, then it would have already.

What's stopping charitable organizations and churches from obliterating hunger and homelessness?

 

[Synthaholic]

Inefficient?? No.. You look at many a charity and they are highly efficient.. it is the government that is inefficient

No... we do not need government charity.. and if you feel it is needed, go right ahead with a constitutional amendment to make the government empowered to be a charity, which it is not now... even though that power was grabbed by them for the sake of power long ago

The government is highly efficient. The tax system and disbursal system has very low overhead. Every dollar a charity spends seeking contributions is one less dollar available to the needy

Explain how private charities would handle the devastation of Hurricane Sandy?

Providing for the General Welfare is already in the Constitution

The government is highly efficient?

At what?

Government agencies typically have 4-6% administrative costs.

Private companies typically have 25-30% administrative costs.

The difference? Executive pay.

 

[Synthaholic]

Inefficient?? No.. You look at many a charity and they are highly efficient.. it is the government that is inefficient

No... we do not need government charity.. and if you feel it is needed, go right ahead with a constitutional amendment to make the government empowered to be a charity, which it is not now... even though that power was grabbed by them for the sake of power long ago

The government is highly efficient. The tax system and disbursal system has very low overhead. Every dollar a charity spends seeking contributions is one less dollar available to the needy

Explain how private charities would handle the devastation of Hurricane Sandy?

Providing for the General Welfare is already in the Constitution

Absolute flat out BULLSHIT.. the amount of bureaucracy and red tape and middle men in the government is ASTRONOMICAL

As for hurricane Sandy.. ask the Red Cross and the extraordinary effort they have in manpower and $$$

And you, you fucking idiotic asshole, once again leave off the entire last part of Article 1 Section 8.... try reading the whole statement and subsequent list of SPECIFIC POWERS which are tied to the charge of the 'general welfare OF THE UNITED STATES' (AKA The UNION, not every fucking individual)

You can tell when Dave is losing an argument. I can just see all the spittle on his monitor.