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talks begin without demands and with a realistic view of the present map. PA needs to throw away their list and start remodeling the minds of the people to expect a different end. Both sides come with empty hands and just talk about security, growth, economic development, land trade, but mostly just talk about the people and what best serves them to make them good neighbors.
The list of demands from the PA was simply not practical for either side. PA need Israel investment in industry that will create jobs for the palestinians. They need new skills for agriculture, and a wider diversity of plants. Soil erosion, water use, different sources of water for farming and industry. Building standards for the safety, infrastructure planning, transportation........
It is so much more than demands carved in stone with no flexibility at all
Time to re-think peace in the Middle East
thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/foreign-policy/208122-time-to-re-think-peace-in-the-middle-east
By Yair Shamir
Albert Einstein reputedly defined insanity as doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. For over twenty years, Israeli and Palestinian negotiators supported by various well-intentioned mediators have been attempting to find the elusive two states for two peoples solution to the Middle East conflict without any success.
The negotiations, and almost all of the proposals, invariably only made by the Israeli side, have all been of similar form and substance. However, we are no nearer a solution than when the Oslo process began on the White House lawn in 1993.
Since then, thousands of lives have been lost, billions of dollars and much international diplomatic capital spent, with little to show. It is nigh time to admit that a solution to the conflict lies elsewhere.
It should be clear to all that after the overly generous offers by former Israeli prime ministers Barak in 2001 and Olmert in 2008, giving the Palestinians well over 95 percent of all their purported demands without even receiving a counter-offer, that the most Israel can give still falls way short of the least the Palestinians are willing to accept.
Palestinian leader Mahmous Abbas has said so succinctly and often that he will make no concessions and no compromises during negotiations and will not sign an end of claims and end of conflict agreement even if a solution is devised. He will not even symbolically recognize the national claim of the Jewish People to a state in their indigenous homeland in exchange for a tremendous amount of land and ultimately statehood.
Not only has Abbas and his government shown little interest in a peaceful solution, they have prepared their people for a prolonged conflict until they reach their indubitable goal, the eradication of the State of Israel.
In a survey conducted by pollster Stan Greenberg in 2011, almost seventy per cent of Palestinian respondents stated that the real goal of the negotiations should be to start with a two-state solution but then destroy the two state apparatus to form one Palestinian Arab state in all of the territory.
The recent partnership and Palestinian unity government between Abbas and Hamas, a terrorist organization whose charter aspires to a theologically inspired genocidal war against Jews all over the world, further tells us about the Palestinian leaders true intentions.
Additionally, the Palestinian authorities have failed in state-building. There is anarchy in many areas under the Palestinian Authority, with law and justice meted out along clan lines and the central Palestinian government unable to even collect simple amenity bills such as electricity from around 90 percent of the population. Abbas himself is beginning to resemble some of the regions dictators with his disdain for democracy and lack of interest in elections since his official term ended well over five years ago.
So what now?.........................................
The list of demands from the PA was simply not practical for either side. PA need Israel investment in industry that will create jobs for the palestinians. They need new skills for agriculture, and a wider diversity of plants. Soil erosion, water use, different sources of water for farming and industry. Building standards for the safety, infrastructure planning, transportation........
It is so much more than demands carved in stone with no flexibility at all
Time to re-think peace in the Middle East
thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/foreign-policy/208122-time-to-re-think-peace-in-the-middle-east
By Yair Shamir
Albert Einstein reputedly defined insanity as doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. For over twenty years, Israeli and Palestinian negotiators supported by various well-intentioned mediators have been attempting to find the elusive two states for two peoples solution to the Middle East conflict without any success.
The negotiations, and almost all of the proposals, invariably only made by the Israeli side, have all been of similar form and substance. However, we are no nearer a solution than when the Oslo process began on the White House lawn in 1993.
Since then, thousands of lives have been lost, billions of dollars and much international diplomatic capital spent, with little to show. It is nigh time to admit that a solution to the conflict lies elsewhere.
It should be clear to all that after the overly generous offers by former Israeli prime ministers Barak in 2001 and Olmert in 2008, giving the Palestinians well over 95 percent of all their purported demands without even receiving a counter-offer, that the most Israel can give still falls way short of the least the Palestinians are willing to accept.
Palestinian leader Mahmous Abbas has said so succinctly and often that he will make no concessions and no compromises during negotiations and will not sign an end of claims and end of conflict agreement even if a solution is devised. He will not even symbolically recognize the national claim of the Jewish People to a state in their indigenous homeland in exchange for a tremendous amount of land and ultimately statehood.
Not only has Abbas and his government shown little interest in a peaceful solution, they have prepared their people for a prolonged conflict until they reach their indubitable goal, the eradication of the State of Israel.
In a survey conducted by pollster Stan Greenberg in 2011, almost seventy per cent of Palestinian respondents stated that the real goal of the negotiations should be to start with a two-state solution but then destroy the two state apparatus to form one Palestinian Arab state in all of the territory.
The recent partnership and Palestinian unity government between Abbas and Hamas, a terrorist organization whose charter aspires to a theologically inspired genocidal war against Jews all over the world, further tells us about the Palestinian leaders true intentions.
Additionally, the Palestinian authorities have failed in state-building. There is anarchy in many areas under the Palestinian Authority, with law and justice meted out along clan lines and the central Palestinian government unable to even collect simple amenity bills such as electricity from around 90 percent of the population. Abbas himself is beginning to resemble some of the regions dictators with his disdain for democracy and lack of interest in elections since his official term ended well over five years ago.
So what now?.........................................
