Time To Overturn Castro And Rescue Cuba?

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    if anything, from the drug lords who are likely to take over after castro dies... an interesting argument from the always provocative conservatives at diplomad

     
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    Wow. Somebody get this guy some prozac, then lock him the hell in the basement.

    I continue to be perplexed at the hypocritical attitude some Americans take toward Cuba and Castro. We started by supporting Batista, a brutal dictator who ran Cuba for his own profit and allowed organized crime syndicates to run rampant so long as they paid him a percentage.

    When Castro's forces overthrew Batista in a popularly supported uprising, the Kennedy administration attempted to repay the debt they owed to the Mafia who had supported Kennedy's candidacy in his bid for the presidency. The result was the abortive Bay of Pigs debacle which nearly caused World War III. This was followed by a number of covert attempts to assasinate the Cuban dictator.

    We continue to occupy a portion of the country with our base at Guantanamo. However, Castro doesn't complain too much because he needs the income generated by the base.

    So as I see it, the ball is in our court, not the Cuban's. We should be the one to initiate a normalization of relationships and we should do so with the acknowledgement that while there may have been wrongdoing on both sides, the lion's share of misdeeds belongs to us.
     
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    i thought the eisenhower administration planned the bay of pigs, it was just the kennedys who botched it

    also, i think sanctions do not work at all with cuba, and that we have failed the cuban people by abandoning them to this sanctions rhetoric that doesn't hurt castro one bit, only giving him an excuse for his own many shortcomings as a "leader"
     
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    I'm not sure if Ike planned the operation, but I know it was Kennedy who pulled the trigger and that's what counts.

    I agree that since the end of the cold war sanctions against Cuba are counter-productive. They only serve to hurt the Cuban people while having no effect on Castro. Plus we get Cuban refugees and the fact that they can come here and get automatic legal status becomes somewhat problematic when out of the other side of our face we make noises about all those Mexicans.

    Edit: you are correct. The planning and training for the invasion were almost complete when Kennedy took office in 1961.
     
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    Viva la Revolution!
     
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    I just don't see what the big deal is. US tolerates China, but hates Cuba. Both are communist and I'd even go so far to say that China has the less pristine human rights record. It is of course more due to Realpolitik than on moral grounds, as some detractors might suggest. Indeed, as Merlin very correctly stated, its mostly a result of a historical grudge. A grudge that I don't think is Cuba's fault alone.

    Interestingly enough for the vast majority of Cubans, the standard of living has jumped in leeps and bounds since the days of Batista, especially amongst the Black and Black-mixed former slave population. It would be far greater if the US allowed food exports to Cuba, or at least repealed the Helms-Burton legislation so that other countries, such as Canada and the EU, could.

    One interesting thought. Cuba is over 60% Black or Black-mixed, however Cuban refugees to the US are predominantly Hispanic. During the days of Batista, Hispanics were the ruling party. A historical coincidence? I doubt it.
     
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    we shouldn't tolerate china... but one fix... china is no longer communist, it is now a dictatorship of the right (i.e. a facist one) not a dictatorship of the left
     
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    According to what statistics? I'd be astounded if you could actually provide a linkable source that proves Cubas' economy has outpaced the Western economies in any one decade over the last 50 years.

    Can you???

    Suddendly you feel that US favored trade nation status should be granted to a dictatorial state for reasons that appeal to your leftist slant?

    Err, what the heck are you getting at? Maybe this is a matter for our lurking White supremicists after all?
     
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    Careful, you're misrepresenting what I say. I said that Cuba's standard of living has improved since the days of Batista. I never did say it improved at a greater pace than Western Countries, which of course it did not. Surely, you can agree with that?
    You do it for China. That was the point.
    It has nothing to do with racial superiority. Surely you can agree that at times in history some groups have been elevated at the expense of others. Cuba was a former Spanish slave colony where the Spanish reigned dominion over the African slaves. Indeed under Castro's Cuba, the rights of Black Cubans has risen considerably. Of that there is little doubt.
     

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