NYcarbineer
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So banks will have to allow guns?
That will be fun.
That will be fun.
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1) Repeal the 1968 Gun Control act. This Act has totally failed at its purpose of keeping guns from the hands of criminals. The only thing criminal here is the criminalizing of otherwise legal behavior. We have had nearly 50 years of experience with this law. It doesnt work. It needs to go, period.
2) Treat mass shooting perpetrators like rape victims. Ever see a rape victim's name in the paper? No, of course not. Mass shooters should get the same anonymous treatment. Since man of them are motivated by getting their 15 minutes, the knowledge they will get nothing but an obscure grave or jail cell will discourage this kind of celebrity seeking
3) Outlaw public gun free zones, and make private ones liable for shootings on their property. Virtually every mass shooting in this country in the last 20 years has happened in a gun free zone. They dont work. Period. No public property should be off limits to law abiding citizens with guns. Private property should be able to post No Guns, but if a criminal shoots someone who could have had a gun and doesnt the property owner should get sued.
Seems to me the publicity that these people get is a big part of this. Sick people who would otherwise just off themselves want to be infamous. I agree that reporting their names just exacerbates the problem.2) Treat mass shooting perpetrators like rape victims. Ever see a rape victim's name in the paper? No, of course not. Mass shooters should get the same anonymous treatment. Since man of them are motivated by getting their 15 minutes, the knowledge they will get nothing but an obscure grave or jail cell will discourage this kind of celebrity seeking...
1) Repeal the 1968 Gun Control act. This Act has totally failed at its purpose of keeping guns from the hands of criminals. The only thing criminal here is the criminalizing of otherwise legal behavior. We have had nearly 50 years of experience with this law. It doesnt work. It needs to go, period.
2) Treat mass shooting perpetrators like rape victims. Ever see a rape victim's name in the paper? No, of course not. Mass shooters should get the same anonymous treatment. Since man of them are motivated by getting their 15 minutes, the knowledge they will get nothing but an obscure grave or jail cell will discourage this kind of celebrity seeking
3) Outlaw public gun free zones, and make private ones liable for shootings on their property. Virtually every mass shooting in this country in the last 20 years has happened in a gun free zone. They dont work. Period. No public property should be off limits to law abiding citizens with guns. Private property should be able to post No Guns, but if a criminal shoots someone who could have had a gun and doesnt the property owner should get sued.
Mass shootings get the attention but they are not the problem. It's the everyday shooting . And those don't happen in "gun free zones "
2) Treat mass shooting perpetrators like rape victims. Ever see a rape victim's name in the paper? No, of course not. Mass shooters should get the same anonymous treatment. Since man of them are motivated by getting their 15 minutes, the knowledge they will get nothing but an obscure grave or jail cell will discourage this kind of celebrity seeking
Bravo Rabbi, good place to start. Another suggestion would be most states do not allow guns in the same residence with a convicted felon. Extend that to the mentally ill.
1) Repeal the 1968 Gun Control act. This Act has totally failed at its purpose of keeping guns from the hands of criminals. The only thing criminal here is the criminalizing of otherwise legal behavior. We have had nearly 50 years of experience with this law. It doesnt work. It needs to go, period.
2) Treat mass shooting perpetrators like rape victims. Ever see a rape victim's name in the paper? No, of course not. Mass shooters should get the same anonymous treatment. Since man of them are motivated by getting their 15 minutes, the knowledge they will get nothing but an obscure grave or jail cell will discourage this kind of celebrity seeking
3) Outlaw public gun free zones, and make private ones liable for shootings on their property. Virtually every mass shooting in this country in the last 20 years has happened in a gun free zone. They dont work. Period. No public property should be off limits to law abiding citizens with guns. Private property should be able to post No Guns, but if a criminal shoots someone who could have had a gun and doesnt the property owner should get sued.
That's a fail.
Working on girders of a high rise is not comparable to eating in a posted restaurant.
What does that have to do with the point?
This is simple, and you're a simpleton. It's in your native language, you should grasp it.
if gun free zones are automatically risky, then by entering a gun free zone, you are knowingly accepting that risk. You willfully engaged in that risky activity
This is correct, but you do the exact same thing when you go to an establishment that sells alcohol.
You drink alcohol on their property with full knowledge of it's effects. Yet, if they continue serving you alcohol after you are impaired, the bar or restaurant can be held liable if you get into a car accident and kill somebody on the way home.
The difference is the restaurant isn't automatically liable. If I have one beer and that has nothing to do with the accident they can't be sued. You have to show they acted with wrecklessness. Like serving me when I was clearly intoxicated and probably about to drive. Rabbi is proposing that just a gun free policy makes them liable. And again, if that's enough to be "risky" then that means you assumed the risk by going there, again that doesn't apply to a bar
Sure it does. When you decide to drink alcohol at that bar, you assume the risk of getting too loaded and getting into an accident. The bar owner too is liable for creating that risk.
Now don't get me wrong, it's not that I agree with it, but merely pointing out how liability works. I don't know where and when, but according to a work associate that also works on the side teaching CCW classes, a store owner was sued for liability because a customer was forced to disarm before entering his store and suffered some kind of an attack. I never looked into the story and only assuming what he told me was the truth since he teaches the classes.
Years ago companies used to throw office parties. The owner would get a full stocked bar and people would party right in their workplace. You don't see much of that anymore because the business owner could be held liable if one of his employees got into an accident. They still have parties on Christmas and whatnot, but no alcohol.
You can't sure the bar for getting loaded there, your victim can. Your victim never assumed liability. You did.
How does that compare to you knowingly going to a gun free zone and suing the property owner?
Yup it is. There is no reason to hold gun makers responsible for misuse of their products, just like we dont hold car manufacturers liable for drunk drivers.1) Repeal the 1968 Gun Control act. This Act has totally failed at its purpose of keeping guns from the hands of criminals. The only thing criminal here is the criminalizing of otherwise legal behavior. We have had nearly 50 years of experience with this law. It doesnt work. It needs to go, period.
2) Treat mass shooting perpetrators like rape victims. Ever see a rape victim's name in the paper? No, of course not. Mass shooters should get the same anonymous treatment. Since man of them are motivated by getting their 15 minutes, the knowledge they will get nothing but an obscure grave or jail cell will discourage this kind of celebrity seeking
3) Outlaw public gun free zones, and make private ones liable for shootings on their property. Virtually every mass shooting in this country in the last 20 years has happened in a gun free zone. They dont work. Period. No public property should be off limits to law abiding citizens with guns. Private property should be able to post No Guns, but if a criminal shoots someone who could have had a gun and doesnt the property owner should get sued.
Awesome. So gun manufacturers are immune from federal lawsuit, but if I dont want guns on my property its my fault if someone gets shot.
Thats fair
Weak sauce.
Outlaw public gun free zones. Yes.....that's going to solve the mental illness issue that the next whack job has. He's going to not go on a shooting rampage because there might be a gun in the vicinity.
Brilliant thinking.
Worried about security in a given place? Hand out firearms to every person. It's a sure way for all to remain safe.
Did gun control work in Australia?
John Howard, who served as prime minister of Australia from 1996 to 2007, is no one's idea of a lefty. He was one of George W. Bush's closest allies, enthusiastically backing the Iraq intervention, and took a hard line domestically against increased immigration and union organizing (pdf).
But one of Howard's other lasting legacies is Australia's gun control regime, first passed in 1996 in response to a massacre in Tasmania that left 35 dead. The law banned semiautomatic and automatic rifles and shotguns. It also instituted a mandatory buy-back program for newly banned weapons.
On Wednesday, Howard took to the Melbourne daily the Age to call on the United States, in light of the Aurora, Colo., massacre, to follow in Australia's footsteps. "There are many American traits which we Australians could well emulate to our great benefit," he concluded. "But when it comes to guns, we have been right to take a radically different path."
So what have the Australian laws actually done for homicide and suicide rates? Howard cites a study (pdf) by Andrew Leigh of Australian National University and Christine Neill of Wilfrid Laurier University finding that the firearm homicide rate fell by 59 percent, and the firearm suicide rate fell by 65 percent, in the decade after the law was introduced, without a parallel increase in non-firearm homicides and suicides. That provides strong circumstantial evidence for the law's effectiveness.
This is what you want? Well, that is what you people are going to get with your continued idiocy concerning the proliferation of firearms in this nation. And when it happens, it will happen exactly as in Australia. A final straw that offends everyone so badly that they simply override the stupidity of the NRA and GOP.
Can YOU show a link where the mentally ill follow gun laws? NO.Weak sauce.
Outlaw public gun free zones. Yes.....that's going to solve the mental illness issue that the next whack job has. He's going to not go on a shooting rampage because there might be a gun in the vicinity.
Brilliant thinking.
Worried about security in a given place? Hand out firearms to every person. It's a sure way for all to remain safe.
Can YOU show a link where the mentally ill pick zones that ALLOW guns on purpose? Again I think not.
Can you post a link to a gun show where everybody has guns and a shooter bursts in and kills 9, OR 6, how about 3? You can't do that either.
Why would the mentally I'll worry about other people being armed ? They're crazy , they won't give a shit .
" the firearm homicide rate fell by 59 percent, and the firearm suicide rate fell by 65 percent,"
What WEAPON replaced the gun? What METHOD of people committing suicide switch to? Those deaths did NOT just disappear, they were merely REPLACED by other weapons and methods.
1) Repeal the 1968 Gun Control act. This Act has totally failed at its purpose of keeping guns from the hands of criminals. The only thing criminal here is the criminalizing of otherwise legal behavior. We have had nearly 50 years of experience with this law. It doesnt work. It needs to go, period.
2) Treat mass shooting perpetrators like rape victims. Ever see a rape victim's name in the paper? No, of course not. Mass shooters should get the same anonymous treatment. Since man of them are motivated by getting their 15 minutes, the knowledge they will get nothing but an obscure grave or jail cell will discourage this kind of celebrity seeking
3) Outlaw public gun free zones, and make private ones liable for shootings on their property. Virtually every mass shooting in this country in the last 20 years has happened in a gun free zone. They dont work. Period. No public property should be off limits to law abiding citizens with guns. Private property should be able to post No Guns, but if a criminal shoots someone who could have had a gun and doesnt the property owner should get sued.
Private property owners have the right to decide what is allowed on their property without being sued. Maybe we should sue gun manufacturers if their product is used in a crime. Same logic. Except for #2, these are retarded ideas. You do realize that in the "no gun control" era of the "wild wild west" - there were a lot of shootings and it wasn't just the "bad guys" that got it.
You will never ever change the "minds" of these gun control retards. All we can do is point and laugh at their stupidity and give money to the NRA. You can't fix stupid, all we can do is take steps to make sure they don't win.
No right is unlimited, including gun rights. Fixing stupid is recognizing that a certain amount of gun control is rational.
Yup it is. There is no reason to hold gun makers responsible for misuse of their products, just like we dont hold car manufacturers liable for drunk drivers.1) Repeal the 1968 Gun Control act. This Act has totally failed at its purpose of keeping guns from the hands of criminals. The only thing criminal here is the criminalizing of otherwise legal behavior. We have had nearly 50 years of experience with this law. It doesnt work. It needs to go, period.
2) Treat mass shooting perpetrators like rape victims. Ever see a rape victim's name in the paper? No, of course not. Mass shooters should get the same anonymous treatment. Since man of them are motivated by getting their 15 minutes, the knowledge they will get nothing but an obscure grave or jail cell will discourage this kind of celebrity seeking
3) Outlaw public gun free zones, and make private ones liable for shootings on their property. Virtually every mass shooting in this country in the last 20 years has happened in a gun free zone. They dont work. Period. No public property should be off limits to law abiding citizens with guns. Private property should be able to post No Guns, but if a criminal shoots someone who could have had a gun and doesnt the property owner should get sued.
Theres no reason gun makers need special protection from lawsuits. The alcohol industry doesnt have those special protections. Maybe thats why they go out of their way to encourage the safe and legal consumption of their products.
Awesome. So gun manufacturers are immune from federal lawsuit, but if I dont want guns on my property its my fault if someone gets shot.
Thats fair
You are free to post your property but you assume liability on behalf of those you've disarmed.
Makes perfect sense. Unless you're stupid.
It's actually not a "fact."Yup it is. There is no reason to hold gun makers responsible for misuse of their products, just like we dont hold car manufacturers liable for drunk drivers.1) Repeal the 1968 Gun Control act. This Act has totally failed at its purpose of keeping guns from the hands of criminals. The only thing criminal here is the criminalizing of otherwise legal behavior. We have had nearly 50 years of experience with this law. It doesnt work. It needs to go, period.
2) Treat mass shooting perpetrators like rape victims. Ever see a rape victim's name in the paper? No, of course not. Mass shooters should get the same anonymous treatment. Since man of them are motivated by getting their 15 minutes, the knowledge they will get nothing but an obscure grave or jail cell will discourage this kind of celebrity seeking
3) Outlaw public gun free zones, and make private ones liable for shootings on their property. Virtually every mass shooting in this country in the last 20 years has happened in a gun free zone. They dont work. Period. No public property should be off limits to law abiding citizens with guns. Private property should be able to post No Guns, but if a criminal shoots someone who could have had a gun and doesnt the property owner should get sued.
Theres no reason gun makers need special protection from lawsuits. The alcohol industry doesnt have those special protections. Maybe thats why they go out of their way to encourage the safe and legal consumption of their products.
Awesome. So gun manufacturers are immune from federal lawsuit, but if I dont want guns on my property its my fault if someone gets shot.
Thats fair
You are free to post your property but you assume liability on behalf of those you've disarmed.
Makes perfect sense. Unless you're stupid.
No dumbshit. Im not forcing anyone to be on my property disarmed. If you insist on carrying a gun do not come to my house. I have a 3 year old and his chances of death go way up when there is a gun in the house, thats just statistical fact.
And I never said gun manufacturers shoild be held liable for misuse of their product. The federal shield law protects them from ALL lawsuits other than particular kinds that the law excepts. NO OTHER INDUSTRY enjoys the same blanket protections.