Three gun control proposals that will actually work

[The Rabbi]

1) Repeal the 1968 Gun Control act. This Act has totally failed at its purpose of keeping guns from the hands of criminals. The only thing criminal here is the criminalizing of otherwise legal behavior. We have had nearly 50 years of experience with this law. It doesnt work. It needs to go, period.
2) Treat mass shooting perpetrators like rape victims. Ever see a rape victim's name in the paper? No, of course not. Mass shooters should get the same anonymous treatment. Since man of them are motivated by getting their 15 minutes, the knowledge they will get nothing but an obscure grave or jail cell will discourage this kind of celebrity seeking
3) Outlaw public gun free zones, and make private ones liable for shootings on their property. Virtually every mass shooting in this country in the last 20 years has happened in a gun free zone. They dont work. Period. No public property should be off limits to law abiding citizens with guns. Private property should be able to post No Guns, but if a criminal shoots someone who could have had a gun and doesnt the property owner should get sued.

 

[DarkFury]

Bravo Rabbi, good place to start. Another suggestion would be most states do not allow guns in the same residence with a convicted felon. Extend that to the mentally ill.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Weak sauce.

Outlaw public gun free zones. Yes.....that's going to solve the mental illness issue that the next whack job has. He's going to not go on a shooting rampage because there might be a gun in the vicinity.

Brilliant thinking.

Worried about security in a given place? Hand out firearms to every person. It's a sure way for all to remain safe.

 

[The Rabbi]

Bravo Rabbi, good place to start. Another suggestion would be most states do not allow guns in the same residence with a convicted felon. Extend that to the mentally ill.

What is "mentally ill"? Depression diagnosis? Schizophrenic diagnosis? Prescription for psychoactive meds? I dont even know how you enforce such a thing.

 

[The Rabbi]

Weak sauce.

Outlaw public gun free zones. Yes.....that's going to solve the mental illness issue that the next whack job has. He's going to not go on a shooting rampage because there might be a gun in the vicinity.

Brilliant thinking.

Worried about security in a given place? Hand out firearms to every person. It's a sure way for all to remain safe.

I can see you've considered this for all of 2 seconds before jerking your knee.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Weak sauce.

Outlaw public gun free zones. Yes.....that's going to solve the mental illness issue that the next whack job has. He's going to not go on a shooting rampage because there might be a gun in the vicinity.

Brilliant thinking.

Worried about security in a given place? Hand out firearms to every person. It's a sure way for all to remain safe.

I can see you've considered this for all of 2 seconds before jerking your knee.

Nah. I've considered the nutbag meme about how dangerous "gun free zones" are many times. It's stupid.

 

[The Rabbi]

Weak sauce.

Outlaw public gun free zones. Yes.....that's going to solve the mental illness issue that the next whack job has. He's going to not go on a shooting rampage because there might be a gun in the vicinity.

Brilliant thinking.

Worried about security in a given place? Hand out firearms to every person. It's a sure way for all to remain safe.

I can see you've considered this for all of 2 seconds before jerking your knee.

Nah. I've considered the nutbag meme about how dangerous "gun free zones" are many times. It's stupid.

It's stupid because over 90% of the mass shootings have happened in gun free zones? You think that's an accident?

 

[DarkFury]

Weak sauce.

Outlaw public gun free zones. Yes.....that's going to solve the mental illness issue that the next whack job has. He's going to not go on a shooting rampage because there might be a gun in the vicinity.

Brilliant thinking.

Worried about security in a given place? Hand out firearms to every person. It's a sure way for all to remain safe.

Can YOU show a link where the mentally ill follow gun laws? NO.
Can YOU show a link where the mentally ill pick zones that ALLOW guns on purpose? Again I think not.
Can you post a link to a gun show where everybody has guns and a shooter bursts in and kills 9, OR 6, how about 3? You can't do that either.

 

[Timmy]

Mass shootings get the attention but they are not the problem. It's the everyday shooting . And those don't happen in "gun free zones "

 

[Old Rocks]

Did gun control work in Australia?

John Howard, who served as prime minister of Australia from 1996 to 2007, is no one's idea of a lefty. He was one of George W. Bush's closest allies, enthusiastically backing the Iraq intervention, and took a hard line domestically against increased immigration and union organizing (pdf).

But one of Howard's other lasting legacies is Australia's gun control regime, first passed in 1996 in response to a massacre in Tasmania that left 35 dead. The law banned semiautomatic and automatic rifles and shotguns. It also instituted a mandatory buy-back program for newly banned weapons.

On Wednesday, Howard took to the Melbourne daily the Age to call on the United States, in light of the Aurora, Colo., massacre, to follow in Australia's footsteps. "There are many American traits which we Australians could well emulate to our great benefit," he concluded. "But when it comes to guns, we have been right to take a radically different path."

So what have the Australian laws actually done for homicide and suicide rates? Howard cites a study (pdf) by Andrew Leigh of Australian National University and Christine Neill of Wilfrid Laurier University finding that the firearm homicide rate fell by 59 percent, and the firearm suicide rate fell by 65 percent, in the decade after the law was introduced, without a parallel increase in non-firearm homicides and suicides. That provides strong circumstantial evidence for the law's effectiveness.

This is what you want? Well, that is what you people are going to get with your continued idiocy concerning the proliferation of firearms in this nation. And when it happens, it will happen exactly as in Australia. A final straw that offends everyone so badly that they simply override the stupidity of the NRA and GOP.

 

[Timmy]

Weak sauce.

Outlaw public gun free zones. Yes.....that's going to solve the mental illness issue that the next whack job has. He's going to not go on a shooting rampage because there might be a gun in the vicinity.

Brilliant thinking.

Worried about security in a given place? Hand out firearms to every person. It's a sure way for all to remain safe.

Can YOU show a link where the mentally ill follow gun laws? NO.
Can YOU show a link where the mentally ill pick zones that ALLOW guns on purpose? Again I think not.
Can you post a link to a gun show where everybody has guns and a shooter bursts in and kills 9, OR 6, how about 3? You can't do that either.

Why would the mentally I'll worry about other people being armed ? They're crazy , they won't give a shit .

 

[The Rabbi]

Mass shootings get the attention but they are not the problem. It's the everyday shooting . And those don't happen in "gun free zones "

Mass shootings arent a problem? You need to tell Obama that.

 

[The Rabbi]

Weak sauce.

Outlaw public gun free zones. Yes.....that's going to solve the mental illness issue that the next whack job has. He's going to not go on a shooting rampage because there might be a gun in the vicinity.

Brilliant thinking.

Worried about security in a given place? Hand out firearms to every person. It's a sure way for all to remain safe.

Can YOU show a link where the mentally ill follow gun laws? NO.
Can YOU show a link where the mentally ill pick zones that ALLOW guns on purpose? Again I think not.
Can you post a link to a gun show where everybody has guns and a shooter bursts in and kills 9, OR 6, how about 3? You can't do that either.

Why would the mentally I'll worry about other people being armed ? They're crazy , they won't give a shit .

Even crazy people care about their survival, for the most part.

 

[DarkFury]

" the firearm homicide rate fell by 59 percent, and the firearm suicide rate fell by 65 percent,"

What WEAPON replaced the gun? What METHOD of people committing suicide switch to? Those deaths did NOT just disappear, they were merely REPLACED by other weapons and methods.

 

[Auld Phart]

Weak sauce.

Outlaw public gun free zones. Yes.....that's going to solve the mental illness issue that the next whack job has. He's going to not go on a shooting rampage because there might be a gun in the vicinity.

Brilliant thinking.

Worried about security in a given place? Hand out firearms to every person. It's a sure way for all to remain safe.

Can YOU show a link where the mentally ill follow gun laws? NO.
Can YOU show a link where the mentally ill pick zones that ALLOW guns on purpose? Again I think not.
Can you post a link to a gun show where everybody has guns and a shooter bursts in and kills 9, OR 6, how about 3? You can't do that either.

Why would the mentally I'll worry about other people being armed ? They're crazy , they won't give a shit .

Just because they may be crazy doesn't mean they are stupid.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Did gun control work in Australia?

John Howard, who served as prime minister of Australia from 1996 to 2007, is no one's idea of a lefty. He was one of George W. Bush's closest allies, enthusiastically backing the Iraq intervention, and took a hard line domestically against increased immigration and union organizing (pdf).

But one of Howard's other lasting legacies is Australia's gun control regime, first passed in 1996 in response to a massacre in Tasmania that left 35 dead. The law banned semiautomatic and automatic rifles and shotguns. It also instituted a mandatory buy-back program for newly banned weapons.

On Wednesday, Howard took to the Melbourne daily the Age to call on the United States, in light of the Aurora, Colo., massacre, to follow in Australia's footsteps. "There are many American traits which we Australians could well emulate to our great benefit," he concluded. "But when it comes to guns, we have been right to take a radically different path."

So what have the Australian laws actually done for homicide and suicide rates? Howard cites a study (pdf) by Andrew Leigh of Australian National University and Christine Neill of Wilfrid Laurier University finding that the firearm homicide rate fell by 59 percent, and the firearm suicide rate fell by 65 percent, in the decade after the law was introduced, without a parallel increase in non-firearm homicides and suicides. That provides strong circumstantial evidence for the law's effectiveness.

This is what you want? Well, that is what you people are going to get with your continued idiocy concerning the proliferation of firearms in this nation. And when it happens, it will happen exactly as in Australia. A final straw that offends everyone so badly that they simply override the stupidity of the NRA and GOP.

Nah. There won't be any compliance to speak of.

 

[PredFan]

You will never ever change the "minds" of these gun control retards. All we can do is point and laugh at their stupidity and give money to the NRA. You can't fix stupid, all we can do is take steps to make sure they don't win.

 

[Guntrainer]

A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.
Sigmund Freud, General Introduction to Psychoanalysis (1952)

 

[The Rabbi]

A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.
Sigmund Freud, General Introduction to Psychoanalysis (1952)

Do you happen to know the min and max go/no go headspace for the 30-06, without looking it up?

 

[Guntrainer]

Go is 1.940" No-Go is 1.946"