Those Lies That Government Thrives On

[PoliticalChic]

On the one hand, the free market, the vehicle to prosperity and liberty. On the other, the desire to balance material wealth, that chimera called ‘income equality.' One is based on reality, the other a wish for what has never been, and never will be…no matter how many are slain in the attempt.

The problem is the social consequences of life in a knowledge-based economy, where education and ability disparities drive income disparity.

Political differences, therefore, are based on lies told by government. Government school grads believe them.




1. “A society that values individualism, enterprise, and a market economy is neither surprised nor scandalized when the unequal distribution of marketable skills and inclinations produces large disparities in the distribution of wealth. Long experience with government’s attempts to use progressive taxation to influence the distribution of income suggests the weakness of that instrument and the primacy of social and cultural forces in determining the distribution of wealth.” George Will, “The Conservative Sensibility,” P.281


2.The highest rewards are offered to those who delay gratification, and obey the well-known three rules of avoiding poverty.

1. Graduating from high school.

2. Waiting to get married until after 21 and do not have children till after being married.

3. Having a full-time job.


If you do all those three things, your chance of falling into poverty is just 2 percent .Meanwhile, you’ll have a 74 percent chance of being in the middle class.

Applies to everyone
These rules apply to all races and ethnic groups. Breaking these rules is becoming more commonplace, unfortunately, for all racial groups."
Three rules for staying out of poverty

Consider what would happen to the welfare roles if it was restricted to only individuals who could prove that they have followed those three rules, yet remained in poverty. Or, explain why we don’t mandate that requirement.




3. Even knowing the ‘rules,’ and that they work for everyone, Liberal/Progressive leaders behave like over-indulgent mothers, never holding their ‘children’ to any self-discipline.

“Government uses redistribution to correct social, meaning market, outcomes that offend it or some its powerful constituencies. But government rarely explains, or perhaps even rarely recognizes, the reasoning by which it decides why particular outcomes of consensual market activities are incorrect….taxes are levied not merely in order to efficiently fund government but to impose this or that notion of distributive justice…” George Will, Op.Cit.p. 282

“By 2000, federal transfers had increased to 10.9 percent of GDP, or approximately 60 percent of federal spending;”
Redistribution - Econlib




The fact is, we live in a redistributive society: today, 67% of the federal budget involves transfer payments. (George Will)


Why?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

On the one hand, the free market, the vehicle to prosperity and liberty. On the other, the desire to balance material wealth, that chimera called ‘income equality. One is based on reality, the other a wish for what has never been, and never will be…no matter how many are slain in the attempt.

The problem is the social consequences of life in a knowledge-based economy, where education and ability disparities drive income disparity.

Political differences, therefore, are based on lies told by government. Government school grads believe them.




1. “A society that values individualism, enterprise, and a market economy is neither surprised nor scandalized when the unequal distribution of marketable skills and inclinations produces large disparities in the distribution of wealth. Long experience with government’s attempts to use progressive taxation to influence the distribution of income suggests the weakness of that instrument and the primacy of social and cultural forces in determining the distribution of wealth.” George Will, “The Conservative Sensibility,” P.281


2.The highest rewards are offered to those who delay gratification, and obey the well-known three rules of avoiding poverty.

1. Graduating from high school.

2. Waiting to get married until after 21 and do not have children till after being married.

3. Having a full-time job.


If you do all those three things, your chance of falling into poverty is just 2 percent .Meanwhile, you’ll have a 74 percent chance of being in the middle class.

Applies to everyone
These rules apply to all races and ethnic groups. Breaking these rules is becoming more commonplace, unfortunately, for all racial groups."
Three rules for staying out of poverty

Consider what would happen to the welfare roles if it was restricted to only individuals who could prove that they have followed those three rules, yet remained in poverty. Or, explain why we don’t mandate that requirement.




3. Even knowing the ‘rules,’ and that they work for everyone, Liberal/Progressive leaders behave like over-indulgent mothers, never holding their ‘children’ to any self-discipline.

“Government uses redistribution to correct social, meaning market, outcomes that offend it or some its powerful constituencies. But government rarely explains, or perhaps even rarely recognizes, the reasoning by which it decides why particular outcomes of consensual market activities are incorrect….taxes are levied not merely in order to efficiently fund government but to impose this or that notion of distributive justice…” p. 282

“By 2000, federal transfers had increased to 10.9 percent of GDP, or approximately 60 percent of federal spending;”
Redistribution - Econlib




The fact is, we live in a redistributive society: today, 67% of the federal budget involves transfer payments. (George Will)


Why?

why? Because both political parties use those transfers to buy votes. And people that keep voting for the two major parties enable the behavior

 

[PoliticalChic]

On the one hand, the free market, the vehicle to prosperity and liberty. On the other, the desire to balance material wealth, that chimera called ‘income equality. One is based on reality, the other a wish for what has never been, and never will be…no matter how many are slain in the attempt.

The problem is the social consequences of life in a knowledge-based economy, where education and ability disparities drive income disparity.

Political differences, therefore, are based on lies told by government. Government school grads believe them.




1. “A society that values individualism, enterprise, and a market economy is neither surprised nor scandalized when the unequal distribution of marketable skills and inclinations produces large disparities in the distribution of wealth. Long experience with government’s attempts to use progressive taxation to influence the distribution of income suggests the weakness of that instrument and the primacy of social and cultural forces in determining the distribution of wealth.” George Will, “The Conservative Sensibility,” P.281


2.The highest rewards are offered to those who delay gratification, and obey the well-known three rules of avoiding poverty.

1. Graduating from high school.

2. Waiting to get married until after 21 and do not have children till after being married.

3. Having a full-time job.


If you do all those three things, your chance of falling into poverty is just 2 percent .Meanwhile, you’ll have a 74 percent chance of being in the middle class.

Applies to everyone
These rules apply to all races and ethnic groups. Breaking these rules is becoming more commonplace, unfortunately, for all racial groups."
Three rules for staying out of poverty

Consider what would happen to the welfare roles if it was restricted to only individuals who could prove that they have followed those three rules, yet remained in poverty. Or, explain why we don’t mandate that requirement.




3. Even knowing the ‘rules,’ and that they work for everyone, Liberal/Progressive leaders behave like over-indulgent mothers, never holding their ‘children’ to any self-discipline.

“Government uses redistribution to correct social, meaning market, outcomes that offend it or some its powerful constituencies. But government rarely explains, or perhaps even rarely recognizes, the reasoning by which it decides why particular outcomes of consensual market activities are incorrect….taxes are levied not merely in order to efficiently fund government but to impose this or that notion of distributive justice…” p. 282

“By 2000, federal transfers had increased to 10.9 percent of GDP, or approximately 60 percent of federal spending;”
Redistribution - Econlib




The fact is, we live in a redistributive society: today, 67% of the federal budget involves transfer payments. (George Will)


Why?

why? Because both political parties use those transfers to buy votes. And people that keep voting for the two major parties enable the behavior

"..both political parties use those transfers to buy votes..."


Even you know that isn't true.

The party of welfare and open borders....their last President was known as the 'food stamp President'....is clearly the Democrat Party.


What's the reason you feel it necessary to lie for the Democrats?





But....glad that you've admitted the reason for the government welfare system....to buy votes.
81% of people receiving public housing benefits vote Democratic – and that’s just the tip of the handout iceberg
Read more at Bernie Sanders peddled a false story on Russian election meddling, and people noticed


A survey by the Maxwell Poll on the political affiliation of those receiving government aid showed this to be the case.

Type of Benefit Received

Percent Voting Democrat

Percent Voting Republican

Public Housing

81%

12%

Medicaid

74%

16%

Food Stamps

67%

20%

Unemployment Compensation

66%

21%

Disability (from Govt.)

64%

25%

Welfare/Public Assistance

63%

22%

Attributing the problem to red states is false; the problem lies in the blue parts of the red states.
Read more at Bernie Sanders peddled a false story on Russian election meddling, and people noticed

 

[colfax_m]

Even you know that isn't true.

Tariffs

 

[PoliticalChic]

As can be seen in the above stats, and testified to by our pal Golfing Gator, the welfare system is not designed to help Americans or solve poverty or decrease income inequality.....

...it is simply a mechanism to steal funds from the public fisc to buy votes.

The Democrats.....no one does it better!




4. No matter what the government cooks up to pretend a need for the welfare industry, let’s remember that there is no real poverty in this nation. There are folks who make poor decision, don’t delay gratification or the simple three-step discipline that would preclude ‘poverty’….but the Left wants you to imagine poverty in the Dickensian sense: no food, no home, no heat.

If the mentally ill are removed from the calculation, the actual numbers of ‘poor’ in America is no more than a rounding error, and certainly could be taken care of by private charity….as it traditionally was.

Any objective analysis of the lost $22 trillion spent on welfare since Lyndon Johnson announced his ‘war on poverty’ would indicate that the money is simply to buy votes.

81% of people receiving public housing benefits vote Democratic – and that’s just the tip of the handout iceberg
Read more at Bernie Sanders peddled a false story on Russian election meddling, and people noticed



And let's not forget that the use of taxation for this vote-buying scheme is theft from the American taxpayer.
Taxation is the single greatest bar to wealth accumulation.



How come no Liberal/Democrat/Socialist/Progressive is ever prepared to state what a fair rate of taxation is????

 

[PoliticalChic]

Even you know that isn't true.

Tariffs

Taxes.

 

[colfax_m]

Even you know that isn't true.

Tariffs

Taxes.

Tariffs are taxes that redistribute wealth to prop up specific groups that happen to be politically desirable by a certain individual.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Even you know that isn't true.

Tariffs

Taxes.

Tariffs are taxes that redistribute wealth to prop up specific groups that happen to be politically desirable by a certain individual.

"Tariffs are taxes.."

Yup.


And while my post is correct....

And let's not forget that the use of taxation for this vote-buying scheme is theft from the American taxpayer.
Taxation is the single greatest bar to wealth accumulation.



How come no Liberal/Democrat/Socialist/Progressive is ever prepared to state what a fair rate of taxation is????



...I've never said that all taxes are bad or not authorized correctly.



So.....what's your point?

 

[colfax_m]

Even you know that isn't true.

Tariffs

Taxes.

Tariffs are taxes that redistribute wealth to prop up specific groups that happen to be politically desirable by a certain individual.

"Tariffs are taxes.."

Yup.


And while my post is correct....

And let's not forget that the use of taxation for this vote-buying scheme is theft from the American taxpayer.
Taxation is the single greatest bar to wealth accumulation.



How come no Liberal/Democrat/Socialist/Progressive is ever prepared to state what a fair rate of taxation is????



...I've never said that all taxes are bad or not authorized correctly.



So.....what's your point?

My point is that all parties use taxation for political purposes.

There is no “fair” rate of taxation. It’s a juvenile myth.

 

[BluesLegend]

Ask government how much taxes they really need to govern, what % would be enough. The only answer you get from them is MORE. No amount of OUR money is enough they have a never ending thirst for OUR money.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Even you know that isn't true.

Tariffs

Taxes.

Tariffs are taxes that redistribute wealth to prop up specific groups that happen to be politically desirable by a certain individual.

"Tariffs are taxes.."

Yup.


And while my post is correct....

And let's not forget that the use of taxation for this vote-buying scheme is theft from the American taxpayer.
Taxation is the single greatest bar to wealth accumulation.



How come no Liberal/Democrat/Socialist/Progressive is ever prepared to state what a fair rate of taxation is????



...I've never said that all taxes are bad or not authorized correctly.



So.....what's your point?

My point is that all parties use taxation for political purposes.

There is no “fair” rate of taxation. It’s a juvenile myth.

"There is no “fair” rate of taxation. It’s a juvenile myth."
Spoken like a true Bolshevik.



"My point is that all parties use taxation for political purposes."
Your point is usually hidden by your hat.
My point is that the difference is dramatic....and I prove it.

..to buy votes.
81% of people receiving public housing benefits vote Democratic – and that’s just the tip of the handout iceberg
Read more at Bernie Sanders peddled a false story on Russian election meddling, and people noticed


A survey by the Maxwell Poll on the political affiliation of those receiving government aid showed this to be the case.

Type of Benefit Received

Percent Voting Democrat

Percent Voting Republican

Public Housing

81%

12%

Medicaid

74%

16%

Food Stamps

67%

20%

Unemployment Compensation

66%

21%

Disability (from Govt.)

64%

25%

Welfare/Public Assistance

63%

22%

Attributing the problem to red states is false; the problem lies in the blue parts of the red states.
Read more at Bernie Sanders peddled a false story on Russian election meddling, and people noticed

So, a 100% level of taxation is acceptable to those who hate America, the free market, capitalism, and prosperity....you.





Watch me force you to prove it, too:

Which party 'guarantees economic security to those who don't care to work'?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Ask government how much taxes they really need to govern, what % would be enough. The only answer you get from them is MORE. No amount of OUR money is enough they have a never ending thirst for OUR money.

I wish I could give more than one 'star.'

Your post explains why the Democrats get furious at the idea of tax cuts.


The attitude of the FDR government, and Democrats today, can be seen in these words of A.B. “Happy” Chandler, a former Kentucky governor: “[A]ll of us owe the government; we owe it for everything we have—and that is the basis of obligation—and the government can take everything we have if the government needs it. . . . The government can assert its right to have all the taxes it needs for any purpose, either now or at any time in the future.”
From a speech delivered on the Senate floor
May 14, 1943
Happy Chandler's dangerous statism - The Bluegrass Institute for Public Policy Solutions

 

[BluesLegend]

Government has confiscated and spent over $40 TRILLION dollars in the past 10 years to govern a single country. $40 TRILLION

 

[BluesLegend]

Ask government how much taxes they really need to govern, what % would be enough. The only answer you get from them is MORE. No amount of OUR money is enough they have a never ending thirst for OUR money.

I wish I could give more than one 'star.'

Your post explains why the Democrats get furious at the idea of tax cuts.


The attitude of the FDR government, and Democrats today, can be seen in these words of A.B. “Happy” Chandler, a former Kentucky governor: “[A]ll of us owe the government; we owe it for everything we have—and that is the basis of obligation—and the government can take everything we have if the government needs it. . . . The government can assert its right to have all the taxes it needs for any purpose, either now or at any time in the future.”
From a speech delivered on the Senate floor
May 14, 1943
Happy Chandler's dangerous statism - The Bluegrass Institute for Public Policy Solutions

Government spends every last dime they can get their hands on. There's nothing in savings for a rainy day. Even our Social Security payments which we are forced to pay, they "borrowed" that and spent it all too. I'm wondering how they are supposed to pay us back, hold a government bake sale. Here's the sad punch line, to repay the money they borrow from our retirement savings they have to raise taxes on us and tax us a 2nd time.

 

[PoliticalChic]

5. How much money should government take (coerce) from earners to give to dependents?


One of the richest men in our history did a calculation…

"Andrew Carnegie and the Socialist

Andrew Carnegie was once visited by a socialist who preached to him eloquently the injustice of one man possessing so much money. He preached a more equitable distribution of wealth. Carnegie cut the matter short by asking his secretary for a generalized statement of his many possessions and holdings, at the same time looking up the figures on world population in his almanac. He figured for a moment on his desk pad and then instructed his secretary, "Give this gentleman 16 cents. That's his share of my wealth."
Edmund Fuller, ed., Thesaurus of Anecdotes (Garden City, NY; Garden City Publishing Company, 1943)



Progressives have figured out how to buy votes, with give-aways that they call ‘entitlements….but it will never be enough. Here’s why:

“Earned success is the secret to meaningful happiness. The government can improve your net worth with a check, but it cannot improve your self-worth.”
Jonah Goldberg

 

[colfax_m]

There is no “fair” rate of taxation. It’s a juvenile myth."
Spoken like a true Bolshevik.

Hate to burst your bubble. Welcome to the real world.

 

[PoliticalChic]

There is no “fair” rate of taxation. It’s a juvenile myth."
Spoken like a true Bolshevik.

Hate to burst your bubble. Welcome to the real world.

Time for some of the education you missed out on in government school.

1. Who is to decide what is fair, and what is too much? Some religions suggest tithing, and government demands taxes.
   1. Joseph gathered very much grain: It seems it was customary for Pharaoh to take 10% of the grain in Egypt as a tax. Essentially, Joseph doubled the taxes over the next seven years (Genesis 41:34 mentions one-fifth, that is, 20%).
   2. That 20% figure appears again in the relationship of colonists to North America, and the English crown "....colonists were free to retain all the profits and fruits of their labor save for the crown's 20 percent share of any gold and silver discovered." "Freedom Just Around the Corner: A New American History: 1585-1828," by Walter A. McDougall, p.33

Your explanation conforms with every other communist.

"Like Father, Like Son – Obama’s Father: Government 100% Taxation of Income OK"
https://www.orthodoxytoday.org/blog/2008/10/like-father-like-son-obamas-father-government-100-taxation-of-income-ok/

 

[colfax_m]

There is no “fair” rate of taxation. It’s a juvenile myth."
Spoken like a true Bolshevik.

Hate to burst your bubble. Welcome to the real world.

Time for some of the education you missed out on in government school.

1. Who is to decide what is fair, and what is too much? Some religions suggest tithing, and government demands taxes.
   1. Joseph gathered very much grain: It seems it was customary for Pharaoh to take 10% of the grain in Egypt as a tax. Essentially, Joseph doubled the taxes over the next seven years (Genesis 41:34 mentions one-fifth, that is, 20%).
   2. That 20% figure appears again in the relationship of colonists to North America, and the English crown "....colonists were free to retain all the profits and fruits of their labor save for the crown's 20 percent share of any gold and silver discovered." "Freedom Just Around the Corner: A New American History: 1585-1828," by Walter A. McDougall, p.33

Your explanation conforms with every other communist.

"Like Father, Like Son – Obama’s Father: Government 100% Taxation of Income OK"
https://www.orthodoxytoday.org/blog/2008/10/like-father-like-son-obamas-father-government-100-taxation-of-income-ok/

I could easily make a counter argument that assessing a tithe or other taxation based on percentage of income is fundamentally unfair.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Even you know that isn't true.

Tariffs

Taxes.

Tariffs are taxes that redistribute wealth to prop up specific groups that happen to be politically desirable by a certain individual.

You mean like the US worker?

 

[colfax_m]

Even you know that isn't true.

Tariffs

Taxes.

Tariffs are taxes that redistribute wealth to prop up specific groups that happen to be politically desirable by a certain individual.

You mean like the US worker?

Only some US workers. Other workers are paying the tariffs to prop up the politically favored.