This woman disproves gun control beliefs.....

[Uncensored2008]

Funny how there are many accident stories for every one of these.

And yet 30 of these incidents for every accident.

Biased reporting? Outright lying by those of you dedicated to ending civil rights?

 

[2aguy]

When anti gunners control the press....you get this...

KORWIN: The Undetectable Gun Myth & If Self Defense Was Common News Would Report It To You Myth



If-Self-Defense-Was-Common-It-Would-Be-In-The-News-More Myth:

“It’s easy to prove that guns serve no valid purpose, because if they really stopped crime and worked for self defense you’d see it more in the news! Hah!”

Case in point: The Fabricius Case is about an ASU professor who, with his high-school-student son, counted local crime stories, decided self defense is rare, and declared it a scientific study. The community paper (now defunct), and a medical journal (from Canada), ran the “conclusion” as if it meant something. They took heat, but let it stand (juicy details at the link).

The media deliberately suppresses stories about self defense and highlights stories about misuse of guns, “for reasons that were unclear at press time.”

Actually, the reasons are well known—mainstream reporters are generally left-leaning gun-hating liberals. Studies constantly show it suits them, fits their bias, and matches their world view to hide truth on this issue. That’s what they do, they can’t see it, won’t admit it. I follow it closely, confront them about it all the time, it’s like they’re brain dead. Google the subject and be stunned.

An Associated Press bureau reporter once told me his bureau chief wouldn’t let a self-defense story run because it might encourage copy cats. I report on it frequently here, and here. The CBS-TV ratio of anti-rights to pro-rights stories recently was 22 to 1 against. Their ethical standards? They have none.

Dr. John Lott surveyed the media, the numbers are impossibly upside down. In one year, USA Today ran 6,000 words on gun-related crime and zero on the good that guns enable.

A book is available (Armed) outlining 13 scholarly studies showing between 700,000 and 2.5 million defensive gun uses every year.

Bloomfield Press pays to put self-defense stories in USA Today, as ads, so at least some news gets out. Excellent write up about it here.

Media excuses for suppressing self defense are myths unto themselves: they certainly wouldn’t want: to promote “vigilantism” (which is a criminal act and not self defense); frontier justice and taking the law into your own hands (which has nothing to do with self defense against assault); a dangerously armed public with everyone “packing heat” (a derogatory slur reporters love and use constantly); individual responsibility (OMG!) supplanting big-brother government safety (which everyone sees doesn’t work); stand-your-ground “shoot-first” Wild-West scenarios (silliness reflecting neither law nor common sense)—reporting on this is as mythical as virtually everything else you see about guns, if it’s on TV or in a “news” paper.

 

[PredFan]

There are no numbers to represent the amount of crimes prevented by a perp knowing a homeowner is armed or a potential mugging victim is armed. Crime statistics around the country show a decrease in violent crimes as CCW permits and gun ownership increases. The only place that violent crimes are on the rise is on places with strict gun control.

If a crime never happens because a potential victim is armed, it never gets reported or counted.

 

[Skylar]

the anti gun nuts tell us that women can't use a gun against a man. They tell is the gun will be easily taken away from her. They tell us that any attack will be an ambush and no woman will be able to use a gun to stop that kind of attack......

Can you quote this hypothetical 'anti-gun nut'?

 

[Skylar]

There are no numbers to represent the amount of crimes prevented by a perp knowing a homeowner is armed or a potential mugging victim is armed. Crime statistics around the country show a decrease in violent crimes as CCW permits and gun ownership increases. The only place that violent crimes are on the rise is on places with strict gun control.

Actually, they show a decrease as gun ownership rates go DOWN. And violent crime went down across the US. Including States that didn't have CCWs increases.

If the decrease in crime occurs if CCWs are expanded...or if they're not......then clearly CCWs aren't the cause.

 

[2aguy]

the anti gun nuts tell us that women can't use a gun against a man. They tell is the gun will be easily taken away from her. They tell us that any attack will be an ambush and no woman will be able to use a gun to stop that kind of attack......

Can you quote this hypothetical 'anti-gun nut'?

joe....brain.....they have made these comments before.....as do media anti gun nuts...like the Nevada congresswoman who told the rape victim a gun would not have helped her stop the rape she endured.......

 

[2aguy]

There are no numbers to represent the amount of crimes prevented by a perp knowing a homeowner is armed or a potential mugging victim is armed. Crime statistics around the country show a decrease in violent crimes as CCW permits and gun ownership increases. The only place that violent crimes are on the rise is on places with strict gun control.

Actually, they show a decrease as gun ownership rates go DOWN. And violent crime went down across the US. Including States that didn't have CCWs increases.

If the decrease in crime occurs if CCWs are expanded...or if they're not......then clearly CCWs aren't the cause.

Nope...you are wrong....there is a greater decrease in crime when there are CCWs......I posted the study....

And how do you explain the violent crime rate going down, and the gun murder rate going down as more Americans own guns and carry them? We are not discussing causation...we are discussing the simple fact that more Americans own guns ...and carry them...and the gun crime rate didn't go up....it went down.

 

[2aguy]

There are no numbers to represent the amount of crimes prevented by a perp knowing a homeowner is armed or a potential mugging victim is armed. Crime statistics around the country show a decrease in violent crimes as CCW permits and gun ownership increases. The only place that violent crimes are on the rise is on places with strict gun control.

Actually, they show a decrease as gun ownership rates go DOWN. And violent crime went down across the US. Including States that didn't have CCWs increases.

If the decrease in crime occurs if CCWs are expanded...or if they're not......then clearly CCWs aren't the cause.

And more Americans carrying guns did not increase the gun crime rate, did it?

 

[2aguy]

There are no numbers to represent the amount of crimes prevented by a perp knowing a homeowner is armed or a potential mugging victim is armed. Crime statistics around the country show a decrease in violent crimes as CCW permits and gun ownership increases. The only place that violent crimes are on the rise is on places with strict gun control.

Actually, they show a decrease as gun ownership rates go DOWN. And violent crime went down across the US. Including States that didn't have CCWs increases.

If the decrease in crime occurs if CCWs are expanded...or if they're not......then clearly CCWs aren't the cause.

Murder rates drop as concealed carry permits soar: report

The number of concealed carry handgun permits has skyrocketed since President Obama was first elected, while murder rates have fallen, according to a new report released Wednesday.

Since 2007, the number of concealed handgun permits has soared from 4.6 million to over 12.8 million, and murder rates have fallen from 5.6 killings per 100,000 people to just 4.2, about a 25 percent drop, according to the report from the Crime Prevention Research Center.

 

[Skylar]

There are no numbers to represent the amount of crimes prevented by a perp knowing a homeowner is armed or a potential mugging victim is armed. Crime statistics around the country show a decrease in violent crimes as CCW permits and gun ownership increases. The only place that violent crimes are on the rise is on places with strict gun control.

Actually, they show a decrease as gun ownership rates go DOWN. And violent crime went down across the US. Including States that didn't have CCWs increases.

If the decrease in crime occurs if CCWs are expanded...or if they're not......then clearly CCWs aren't the cause.

Murder rates drop as concealed carry permits soar: report

And they've dropped in states that didn't significantly increase the number of CCW permits.

As I said, if the decrease in crime occurs if CCWs are expanded...or if they're not......then clearly CCWs aren't the cause.

 

[Skylar]

There are no numbers to represent the amount of crimes prevented by a perp knowing a homeowner is armed or a potential mugging victim is armed. Crime statistics around the country show a decrease in violent crimes as CCW permits and gun ownership increases. The only place that violent crimes are on the rise is on places with strict gun control.

Actually, they show a decrease as gun ownership rates go DOWN. And violent crime went down across the US. Including States that didn't have CCWs increases.

If the decrease in crime occurs if CCWs are expanded...or if they're not......then clearly CCWs aren't the cause.

And more Americans carrying guns did not increase the gun crime rate, did it?

Crime when down in states where more americans *weren't* carrying guns.

Again, if your 'effect' exists even when you 'cause' doesn't....your cause isn't.

 

[Skylar]

the anti gun nuts tell us that women can't use a gun against a man. They tell is the gun will be easily taken away from her. They tell us that any attack will be an ambush and no woman will be able to use a gun to stop that kind of attack......

Can you quote this hypothetical 'anti-gun nut'?

joe....brain.....they have made these comments before.....as do media anti gun nuts...like the Nevada congresswoman who told the rape victim a gun would not have helped her stop the rape she endured.......

Can you quote them saying all that you did in the OP?

Because it seem to me you're quoting yourself. Not 'anti-gun nuts'.

 

[2aguy]

There are no numbers to represent the amount of crimes prevented by a perp knowing a homeowner is armed or a potential mugging victim is armed. Crime statistics around the country show a decrease in violent crimes as CCW permits and gun ownership increases. The only place that violent crimes are on the rise is on places with strict gun control.

Actually, they show a decrease as gun ownership rates go DOWN. And violent crime went down across the US. Including States that didn't have CCWs increases.

If the decrease in crime occurs if CCWs are expanded...or if they're not......then clearly CCWs aren't the cause.

Murder rates drop as concealed carry permits soar: report

And they've dropped in states that didn't significantly increase the number of CCW permits.

As I said, if the decrease in crime occurs if CCWs are expanded...or if they're not......then clearly CCWs aren't the cause.

They dropped more in states that did increase their concealed carry permits......

And again.....allowing Americans to carry guns for self defense does not increase the crime rate or the gun murder rate...right?

 

[2aguy]

There are no numbers to represent the amount of crimes prevented by a perp knowing a homeowner is armed or a potential mugging victim is armed. Crime statistics around the country show a decrease in violent crimes as CCW permits and gun ownership increases. The only place that violent crimes are on the rise is on places with strict gun control.

Actually, they show a decrease as gun ownership rates go DOWN. And violent crime went down across the US. Including States that didn't have CCWs increases.

If the decrease in crime occurs if CCWs are expanded...or if they're not......then clearly CCWs aren't the cause.

And more Americans carrying guns did not increase the gun crime rate, did it?

Crime when down in states where more americans *weren't* carrying guns.

Again, if your 'effect' exists even when you 'cause' doesn't....your cause isn't.

Wrong....please site your anti gun source for that...

Report: Number Of Concealed Carry Permits Surges As Violent Crime Rate Drops

Using that foundation, the report finds that the six states that allow people to carry concealed handguns without a permit have much lower murder and violent crime rates than the six states with the lowest permit rates. Additionally, the murder rate is nearly one-quarter (23 percent) lower in states not requiring permits, and the violent crime rate is 12 percent lower.

The murder and violent crime rates are lower in the 25 states with the highest permit rates compared to the rest of the U.S.

 

[Skylar]

There are no numbers to represent the amount of crimes prevented by a perp knowing a homeowner is armed or a potential mugging victim is armed. Crime statistics around the country show a decrease in violent crimes as CCW permits and gun ownership increases. The only place that violent crimes are on the rise is on places with strict gun control.

Actually, they show a decrease as gun ownership rates go DOWN. And violent crime went down across the US. Including States that didn't have CCWs increases.

If the decrease in crime occurs if CCWs are expanded...or if they're not......then clearly CCWs aren't the cause.

Murder rates drop as concealed carry permits soar: report

And they've dropped in states that didn't significantly increase the number of CCW permits.

As I said, if the decrease in crime occurs if CCWs are expanded...or if they're not......then clearly CCWs aren't the cause.

They dropped more in states that did increase their concealed carry permits......

Mighty strange coincidence that crime just 'happened' to drop sharply in States without an increase in CCW permits, isn't it?

And even John Lott...professional pro-gun advocate ....has admitted that he can't establish *causation* between CCWs and crime rates.

Yet you're insisting you can?

 

[2aguy]

There are no numbers to represent the amount of crimes prevented by a perp knowing a homeowner is armed or a potential mugging victim is armed. Crime statistics around the country show a decrease in violent crimes as CCW permits and gun ownership increases. The only place that violent crimes are on the rise is on places with strict gun control.

Actually, they show a decrease as gun ownership rates go DOWN. And violent crime went down across the US. Including States that didn't have CCWs increases.

If the decrease in crime occurs if CCWs are expanded...or if they're not......then clearly CCWs aren't the cause.

Murder rates drop as concealed carry permits soar: report

And they've dropped in states that didn't significantly increase the number of CCW permits.

As I said, if the decrease in crime occurs if CCWs are expanded...or if they're not......then clearly CCWs aren't the cause.

They dropped more in states that did increase their concealed carry permits......

Mighty strange coincidence that crime just 'happened' to drop sharply in States without an increase in CCW permits, isn't it?

And even John Lott...professional pro-gun advocate ....has admitted that he can't establish *causation* between CCWs and crime rates.

Yet you're insisting you can?

And here you go...another study....

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Abstract
The purpose of the present study is to determine the effects of state-level assault weapons bans and concealed weapons laws on state-level murder rates.

Using data for the period 1980 to 2009 and controlling for state and year fixed effects, the results of the present study suggest that states with restrictions on the carrying of concealed weapons had higher gun-related murder rates than other states.

It was also found that assault weapons bans did not significantly affect murder rates at the state level.

These results suggest that restrictive concealed weapons laws may cause an increase in gun-related murders at the state level.

The results of this study are consistent with some prior research in this area, most notably Lott and Mustard (1997).

 

[Skylar]

There are no numbers to represent the amount of crimes prevented by a perp knowing a homeowner is armed or a potential mugging victim is armed. Crime statistics around the country show a decrease in violent crimes as CCW permits and gun ownership increases. The only place that violent crimes are on the rise is on places with strict gun control.

Actually, they show a decrease as gun ownership rates go DOWN. And violent crime went down across the US. Including States that didn't have CCWs increases.

If the decrease in crime occurs if CCWs are expanded...or if they're not......then clearly CCWs aren't the cause.

And more Americans carrying guns did not increase the gun crime rate, did it?

Crime when down in states where more americans *weren't* carrying guns.

Again, if your 'effect' exists even when you 'cause' doesn't....your cause isn't.

Wrong....please site your anti gun source for that...

Report: Number Of Concealed Carry Permits Surges As Violent Crime Rate Drops

Using that foundation, the report finds that the six states that allow people to carry concealed handguns without a permit have much lower murder and violent crime rates than the six states with the lowest permit rates. Additionally, the murder rate is nearly one-quarter (23 percent) lower in states not requiring permits, and the violent crime rate is 12 percent lower.

The murder and violent crime rates are lower in the 25 states with the highest permit rates compared to the rest of the U.S.

The 'Crime Prevention Reasearch Center'. Founded by (shocker)....professional gun advocate John Lott.

Didn't you argue that we can't trust studies from people with gun biases? That's what you told me when you insisted we ignore EVERY study that contradicts any part of your narrative.

Oh, and John Lott does not claim causation between CCW and violent crime rates.

 

[2aguy]

There are no numbers to represent the amount of crimes prevented by a perp knowing a homeowner is armed or a potential mugging victim is armed. Crime statistics around the country show a decrease in violent crimes as CCW permits and gun ownership increases. The only place that violent crimes are on the rise is on places with strict gun control.

Actually, they show a decrease as gun ownership rates go DOWN. And violent crime went down across the US. Including States that didn't have CCWs increases.

If the decrease in crime occurs if CCWs are expanded...or if they're not......then clearly CCWs aren't the cause.

Murder rates drop as concealed carry permits soar: report

And they've dropped in states that didn't significantly increase the number of CCW permits.

As I said, if the decrease in crime occurs if CCWs are expanded...or if they're not......then clearly CCWs aren't the cause.

They dropped more in states that did increase their concealed carry permits......

Mighty strange coincidence that crime just 'happened' to drop sharply in States without an increase in CCW permits, isn't it?

And even John Lott...professional pro-gun advocate ....has admitted that he can't establish *causation* between CCWs and crime rates.

Yet you're insisting you can?

And nice...avoiding the question......allowing Americans to carry guns for self defense does not increase the gun crime rate or the gun murder rate...right?

 

[Skylar]

Actually, they show a decrease as gun ownership rates go DOWN. And violent crime went down across the US. Including States that didn't have CCWs increases.

If the decrease in crime occurs if CCWs are expanded...or if they're not......then clearly CCWs aren't the cause.

Murder rates drop as concealed carry permits soar: report

And they've dropped in states that didn't significantly increase the number of CCW permits.

As I said, if the decrease in crime occurs if CCWs are expanded...or if they're not......then clearly CCWs aren't the cause.

They dropped more in states that did increase their concealed carry permits......

Mighty strange coincidence that crime just 'happened' to drop sharply in States without an increase in CCW permits, isn't it?

And even John Lott...professional pro-gun advocate ....has admitted that he can't establish *causation* between CCWs and crime rates.

Yet you're insisting you can?

And here you go...another study....

An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie

Abstract
The purpose of the present study is to determine the effects of state-level assault weapons bans and concealed weapons laws on state-level murder rates.

Using data for the period 1980 to 2009 and controlling for state and year fixed effects, the results of the present study suggest that states with restrictions on the carrying of concealed weapons had higher gun-related murder rates than other states.

It was also found that assault weapons bans did not significantly affect murder rates at the state level. These results suggest that restrictive concealed weapons laws may cause an increase in gun-related murders at the state level. The results of this study are consistent with some prior research in this area, most notably Lott and Mustard (1997).

That study doesn't claim causation. It says it 'suggests' a connection.

You're wildly overstating the results of your studies claiming causation. When the studies don't claim causation. Even John Lott doesn't claim causation.

Why do you feel the need to embellish the claims of the studies you're citing?

 

[2aguy]

Murder rates drop as concealed carry permits soar: report

And they've dropped in states that didn't significantly increase the number of CCW permits.

As I said, if the decrease in crime occurs if CCWs are expanded...or if they're not......then clearly CCWs aren't the cause.

They dropped more in states that did increase their concealed carry permits......

Mighty strange coincidence that crime just 'happened' to drop sharply in States without an increase in CCW permits, isn't it?

And even John Lott...professional pro-gun advocate ....has admitted that he can't establish *causation* between CCWs and crime rates.

Yet you're insisting you can?

And here you go...another study....

An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie

Abstract
The purpose of the present study is to determine the effects of state-level assault weapons bans and concealed weapons laws on state-level murder rates.

Using data for the period 1980 to 2009 and controlling for state and year fixed effects, the results of the present study suggest that states with restrictions on the carrying of concealed weapons had higher gun-related murder rates than other states.

It was also found that assault weapons bans did not significantly affect murder rates at the state level. These results suggest that restrictive concealed weapons laws may cause an increase in gun-related murders at the state level. The results of this study are consistent with some prior research in this area, most notably Lott and Mustard (1997).

That study doesn't claim causation. It says it 'suggests' a connection.

You're wildly overstating the results of your studies claiming causation. When the studies don't claim causation. Even John Lott doesn't claim causation.

Why do you feel the need to embellish the claims of the studies you're citing?

I'm not...you are denying it completely......and you can't.....I have studies that show it lowers the violent crime rate......fewer that shows it does nothing...and one that shows it increases the crime rate.......