This is what left-wing policy results in

[IcebergSlim]

They are only allowed to make "state-sanctioned" bread. First the left collapses the economy (on purpose) and then they take control of every little facet of your life. Even telling you what bread you can and can't bake. The left has already started here in the U.S. They are forcing people to make breads and cakes for gay weddings. It will only continue from there.

Venezuela arrests brownie and croissant bakers in 'bread war'

How many cakes for gay weddings have you been forced to bake, miss?

They are only allowed to make "state-sanctioned" bread. First the left collapses the economy (on purpose) and then they take control of every little facet of your life. Even telling you what bread you can and can't bake. The left has already started here in the U.S. They are forcing people to make breads and cakes for gay weddings. It will only continue from there.

Venezuela arrests brownie and croissant bakers in 'bread war'

I hear that bakers in the US also have to serve Jews and blacks. An outrage!

I hear that bakers in the US also have to serve Jews and blacks. An outrage!

It is. Because the U.S. Constitution prevents the government from forcing private citizens on private property from entering into commerce.

We see how well your idiotic ideology is working in Venezuela...

Ah see, one more conservative who believes that Americans should be allowed to racially discriminate.

I wonder where that post is from some guy on here who claimed that no such racists existed on USMB?

I know that most left-wingers can't concentrate on anything for more than 30 seconds unless it is gay porn, but I implore you left-wingers to take 10 minutes out of your life and learn something. If the concepts presented here are too complex - ask an adult for help.

I hear that bakers in the US also have to serve Jews and blacks. An outrage!

It is. Because the U.S. Constitution prevents the government from forcing private citizens on private property from entering into commerce.

We see how well your idiotic ideology is working in Venezuela...

I see how this is....

Ah see, one more conservative who believes that Americans should be allowed to racially discriminate.

Should the government be allowed to discriminate? No government should be allowed to discriminate

Should private citizens be allowed to discriminate? Yes. Why not?

I personally would never use or visit said business, but I would never try to take away their right to discriminate.

So who should decide whether or not Africans can be used as slaves by private citizens? The states or the federal government, or the private citizens themselves?

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Mikey,

Did anyone tell you about the nearly 3 million vote NEGATIVE margin?

 

[P@triot]

I haven't been this happy since the American people told Hitlery Clinton to go home and not come back. Target is in serious trouble because they believed that catering to the left-wing hatriots would earn them business. Apparently their CEO skipped business school. Catering to those who mooch off of government to keep your business afloat is a bad strategy.

So glad to see the American people not only reject this insanity, but also make a private corporation pay the price for attempting to facilitate it.

Amid Stock Price Crash, Target Corp. Announces Store Re-Design - Breitbart

 

[Andylusion]

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Man eating grass in N.K. No food, so weed food it is.

The man is not eating anything and has no grass in his bag but weed. He is cleaning the green.

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The government obviously faked this example of women using a computer, but then realized there was no electricity, and that the world wouldn't be fooled by women staring at a keyboard connected to a blank screen.

This must be a propaganda fake picture. No one is dump enough to present this photo as people using computers.
Here is a real one:

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Lots of infrastructure in N.K. Lots of money taxed by working people to pay for roads and bridges. Of course no one owns a car, so the streets are largely deserted, with kids playing on a six-lane road.

There is increasing traffic.


You see, the one fooled by propaganda/trying to fool others with propaganda is you. The comparison that I made is valid. In capitalism, you have 0,1 % of the wealth, which is a corrugated-iron shack and a bottle of brackish water in Kenya.

How funny.... so you declare anything that doesn't fit your views as propaganda... and then post your own propaganda, claiming it's real.

You remind me of the idiots in the early 1980s who laughed at Reagan when he said

Shadowy world of Korea's people smugglers - BBC News

If what you say is actually true....

Please explain why thousands on thousands flee from N.K. socialism every year?

North Korea’s deputy ambassador to Britain defects from London

Explain why the ambassador defected?

100 Photos Inside North Korea - Part 1 - Earth Nutshell

At some point, your endless propaganda has to face reality. If things were even a fraction as good as your BS, then people wouldn't be paying smugglers money, to get out of the country.

North Korea is in an economic crisis. It will be overcome. You see the progress based on their own efforts? However, I could start to post nice pictures of ghettos, abandoned neighborhoods and projects in the USA and say its capitalism. Why can´t you leave other countries alone? What did they ever do to you?

And I would argue that all of those ghettos and projects, and abandoned neighborhoods, are not examples of Capitalism, but rather of socialism.

The most obvious being the "projects". What do you think "projects" means? It's government public housing. Well if government is running it, paying for it, controlling it.... that's not Capitalism. That's socialism.

All the 'projects' that have failed across this country, can't be blamed on capitalism, because under capitalism, they never would have existed.

Slums and ghettos in the US, I would also argue are largely due to government. One of the primary reasons people stay poor, is because government teaches them to live off government. Which again... is socialism. Not Capitalism. Capitalism, people live off their work.

Most of these slums and ghettos, the majority of the people are living off of welfare, and food stamps, and section 8 housing. In fact one of the quickest ways to create a slum, is to make the area section 8.

Back in the 90s, I worked at Wendy's, and a lady came in, and told us she had to work X number of days until she could get back on Welfare, and then she was gone. Sure enough on the day she qualified for welfare, she stopped showing up for work.

The number one way any person moves up out of poverty, is by working, which gives them experience and skills, to move up the income chain.

Quitting because you qualify for welfare, means that you never get beyond entry level. Which means you stay in poverty, and the slums, for life.

It's a system that only exists because of socialism. Socialism, literally harms everyone. Capitalism benefits everyone.

Welfare, and other government programs, not only harm the welfare recipient, but it also harms all the working people who have to pay for the welfare recipient, and not only that it also harms the fabric of society, because working people hate the lazy slob not working, and the lazy slob hates the working people.

Socialism is the socioeconomic version of cancer, that destroys everything it touches.

 

[Bleipriester]

And I would argue that all of those ghettos and projects, and abandoned neighborhoods, are not examples of Capitalism, but rather of socialism.

The most obvious being the "projects". What do you think "projects" means? It's government public housing. Well if government is running it, paying for it, controlling it.... that's not Capitalism. That's socialism.

All the 'projects' that have failed across this country, can't be blamed on capitalism, because under capitalism, they never would have existed.

Slums and ghettos in the US, I would also argue are largely due to government. One of the primary reasons people stay poor, is because government teaches them to live off government. Which again... is socialism. Not Capitalism. Capitalism, people live off their work.

Most of these slums and ghettos, the majority of the people are living off of welfare, and food stamps, and section 8 housing. In fact one of the quickest ways to create a slum, is to make the area section 8.

Back in the 90s, I worked at Wendy's, and a lady came in, and told us she had to work X number of days until she could get back on Welfare, and then she was gone. Sure enough on the day she qualified for welfare, she stopped showing up for work.

The number one way any person moves up out of poverty, is by working, which gives them experience and skills, to move up the income chain.

Quitting because you qualify for welfare, means that you never get beyond entry level. Which means you stay in poverty, and the slums, for life.

It's a system that only exists because of socialism. Socialism, literally harms everyone. Capitalism benefits everyone.

Welfare, and other government programs, not only harm the welfare recipient, but it also harms all the working people who have to pay for the welfare recipient, and not only that it also harms the fabric of society, because working people hate the lazy slob not working, and the lazy slob hates the working people.

Socialism is the socioeconomic version of cancer, that destroys everything it touches.

I don´t agree.

The most obvious being the "projects". What do you think "projects" means? It's government public housing. Well if government is running it, paying for it, controlling it.... that's not Capitalism. That's socialism.

It is capitalism. Capitalism accumulates so much wealth on a small group of people that some are unable to pay for their own livelihood and need assistance even if they have two or three jobs. If you say no we do not make projects, those people would not disappear but pose an even larger problem. Pure capitalism.

Slums and ghettos in the US, I would also argue are largely due to government. One of the primary reasons people stay poor, is because government teaches them to live off government. Which again... is socialism. Not Capitalism. Capitalism, people live off their work.

Capitalism needs rules because it would result in slavery. Ghettos are the result of capitalist slavery in America´s early years. Also, Ghettos result from a lack of government.

Most of these slums and ghettos, the majority of the people are living off of welfare, and food stamps, and section 8 housing. In fact one of the quickest ways to create a slum, is to make the area section 8.

No, not the majority. In some, maybe. Government welfare is a tool to deal with the insufficiencies of capitalism. Capitalism and civilization are opposites. This is not a plea against market economy but against the law of the jungle.

Back in the 90s, I worked at Wendy's, and a lady came in, and told us she had to work X number of days until she could get back on Welfare, and then she was gone. Sure enough on the day she qualified for welfare, she stopped showing up for work.

The number one way any person moves up out of poverty, is by working, which gives them experience and skills, to move up the income chain.

Quitting because you qualify for welfare, means that you never get beyond entry level. Which means you stay in poverty, and the slums, for life.

That smart woman knows there is no from rag to riches. Her behavior is capitalist and aims to get the most out of the least. She does what you are actually demanding.

 

[danielpalos]

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Man eating grass in N.K. No food, so weed food it is.

The man is not eating anything and has no grass in his bag but weed. He is cleaning the green.

View attachment 118606
The government obviously faked this example of women using a computer, but then realized there was no electricity, and that the world wouldn't be fooled by women staring at a keyboard connected to a blank screen.

This must be a propaganda fake picture. No one is dump enough to present this photo as people using computers.
Here is a real one:

View attachment 118607
Lots of infrastructure in N.K. Lots of money taxed by working people to pay for roads and bridges. Of course no one owns a car, so the streets are largely deserted, with kids playing on a six-lane road.

There is increasing traffic.


You see, the one fooled by propaganda/trying to fool others with propaganda is you. The comparison that I made is valid. In capitalism, you have 0,1 % of the wealth, which is a corrugated-iron shack and a bottle of brackish water in Kenya.

How funny.... so you declare anything that doesn't fit your views as propaganda... and then post your own propaganda, claiming it's real.

You remind me of the idiots in the early 1980s who laughed at Reagan when he said

Shadowy world of Korea's people smugglers - BBC News

If what you say is actually true....

Please explain why thousands on thousands flee from N.K. socialism every year?

North Korea’s deputy ambassador to Britain defects from London

Explain why the ambassador defected?

100 Photos Inside North Korea - Part 1 - Earth Nutshell

At some point, your endless propaganda has to face reality. If things were even a fraction as good as your BS, then people wouldn't be paying smugglers money, to get out of the country.

North Korea is in an economic crisis. It will be overcome. You see the progress based on their own efforts? However, I could start to post nice pictures of ghettos, abandoned neighborhoods and projects in the USA and say its capitalism. Why can´t you leave other countries alone? What did they ever do to you?

And I would argue that all of those ghettos and projects, and abandoned neighborhoods, are not examples of Capitalism, but rather of socialism.

The most obvious being the "projects". What do you think "projects" means? It's government public housing. Well if government is running it, paying for it, controlling it.... that's not Capitalism. That's socialism.

All the 'projects' that have failed across this country, can't be blamed on capitalism, because under capitalism, they never would have existed.

Slums and ghettos in the US, I would also argue are largely due to government. One of the primary reasons people stay poor, is because government teaches them to live off government. Which again... is socialism. Not Capitalism. Capitalism, people live off their work.

Most of these slums and ghettos, the majority of the people are living off of welfare, and food stamps, and section 8 housing. In fact one of the quickest ways to create a slum, is to make the area section 8.

Back in the 90s, I worked at Wendy's, and a lady came in, and told us she had to work X number of days until she could get back on Welfare, and then she was gone. Sure enough on the day she qualified for welfare, she stopped showing up for work.

The number one way any person moves up out of poverty, is by working, which gives them experience and skills, to move up the income chain.

Quitting because you qualify for welfare, means that you never get beyond entry level. Which means you stay in poverty, and the slums, for life.

It's a system that only exists because of socialism. Socialism, literally harms everyone. Capitalism benefits everyone.

Welfare, and other government programs, not only harm the welfare recipient, but it also harms all the working people who have to pay for the welfare recipient, and not only that it also harms the fabric of society, because working people hate the lazy slob not working, and the lazy slob hates the working people.

Socialism is the socioeconomic version of cancer, that destroys everything it touches.

Where do you all get this propaganda and rhetoric from?

The US has the Best form of Socialism in the Entire World. The rich can even keep their multimillion dollar bonuses while on means tested corporate welfare and the poor can still have steak and lobster on their EBT cards.

China has entire empty cities, just laying around, due to socialism, not capitalism. Under truer capitalism, they would have never been built.

 

[Andylusion]

And I would argue that all of those ghettos and projects, and abandoned neighborhoods, are not examples of Capitalism, but rather of socialism.

The most obvious being the "projects". What do you think "projects" means? It's government public housing. Well if government is running it, paying for it, controlling it.... that's not Capitalism. That's socialism.

All the 'projects' that have failed across this country, can't be blamed on capitalism, because under capitalism, they never would have existed.

Slums and ghettos in the US, I would also argue are largely due to government. One of the primary reasons people stay poor, is because government teaches them to live off government. Which again... is socialism. Not Capitalism. Capitalism, people live off their work.

Most of these slums and ghettos, the majority of the people are living off of welfare, and food stamps, and section 8 housing. In fact one of the quickest ways to create a slum, is to make the area section 8.

Back in the 90s, I worked at Wendy's, and a lady came in, and told us she had to work X number of days until she could get back on Welfare, and then she was gone. Sure enough on the day she qualified for welfare, she stopped showing up for work.

The number one way any person moves up out of poverty, is by working, which gives them experience and skills, to move up the income chain.

Quitting because you qualify for welfare, means that you never get beyond entry level. Which means you stay in poverty, and the slums, for life.

It's a system that only exists because of socialism. Socialism, literally harms everyone. Capitalism benefits everyone.

Welfare, and other government programs, not only harm the welfare recipient, but it also harms all the working people who have to pay for the welfare recipient, and not only that it also harms the fabric of society, because working people hate the lazy slob not working, and the lazy slob hates the working people.

Socialism is the socioeconomic version of cancer, that destroys everything it touches.

I don´t agree.

The most obvious being the "projects". What do you think "projects" means? It's government public housing. Well if government is running it, paying for it, controlling it.... that's not Capitalism. That's socialism.

It is capitalism. Capitalism accumulates so much wealth on a small group of people that some are unable to pay for their own livelihood and need assistance even if they have two or three jobs. If you say no we do not make projects, those people would not disappear but pose an even larger problem. Pure capitalism.

Slums and ghettos in the US, I would also argue are largely due to government. One of the primary reasons people stay poor, is because government teaches them to live off government. Which again... is socialism. Not Capitalism. Capitalism, people live off their work.

Capitalism needs rules because it would result in slavery. Ghettos are the result of capitalist slavery in America´s early years. Also, Ghettos result from a lack of government.

Most of these slums and ghettos, the majority of the people are living off of welfare, and food stamps, and section 8 housing. In fact one of the quickest ways to create a slum, is to make the area section 8.

No, not the majority. In some, maybe. Government welfare is a tool to deal with the insufficiencies of capitalism. Capitalism and civilization are opposites. This is not a plea against market economy but against the law of the jungle.

Back in the 90s, I worked at Wendy's, and a lady came in, and told us she had to work X number of days until she could get back on Welfare, and then she was gone. Sure enough on the day she qualified for welfare, she stopped showing up for work.

The number one way any person moves up out of poverty, is by working, which gives them experience and skills, to move up the income chain.

Quitting because you qualify for welfare, means that you never get beyond entry level. Which means you stay in poverty, and the slums, for life.

That smart woman knows there is no from rag to riches. Her behavior is capitalist and aims to get the most out of the least. She does what you are actually demanding.

I don´t agree.

You have the right to be wrong.

It is capitalism. Capitalism accumulates so much wealth on a small group of people that some are unable to pay for their own livelihood and need assistance even if they have two or three jobs. If you say no we do not make projects, those people would not disappear but pose an even larger problem. Pure capitalism.

Wrong. Not true.

Capitalism does not require, or cause, people to be unable to pay for their own livelihood.

What capitalism does, is allow people to make choices. In socialism, in the pre-78 China, I have to work in the rice fields for the rest of my life. I don't have a choice in the matter. Which allows you to only earn as much as me, and we all get the same wage, some shelter, same food, same life. We have no hope, and no future. We are born poor, live poor, and die poor.

But.... we have a guaranteed income.

In Capitalism, you choose what you do. If you work at Burger King until you die, flipping whoopers, then you live a meager life until you die. But you don't have to. No one has to. They can choose to do something else.

Doug McMillon current CEO of walmart, started of working in the distribution center, unloading trucks. Seasonal job, during the summer, earning a few bucks and hour, unloading trucks.

Did he stay there? No, he went to college, got a degree, learned management skills, and then applied to move up to a new position. Then a another position. And kept moving every year or two, to a new spot in the company, and now he's CEO.

And here's the real kicker of Capitalism. Everyone is a capitalist. I'm a capitalist. You are a capitalist.

The only difference between the rich capitalist, and the poor capitalist, is whether they choose to invest their money, or blow it. If you spend all your money, you'll be the poor capitalist. If you invest your money, you'll be the rich capitalist, even if you make very little relatively speaking.

Janitor secretly amassed an $8 million fortune, left most of it to library and hospital

This guy worked as a janitor his entire life. End up with $8 Million. How? Saved and invested. Real simple. He saved up money, and invested into stocks of companies he liked.

Do you know Warren Buffet got to where he is? When he was in high school, he saved up money from a paper route, and bought a pinball machine. He then placed the pinball machine in a local business where it made more money.

Anyone can be a Buffet. Anyone. It's simply that people choose not to. I have a co-worker that bought a bran new car, on 24% interest, because he just couldn't stand not having a new car any longer. He's destined to be poor.

Years and years ago, a had a roommate, that spent every single penny they earned, from Friday's check, until they were flat broke by Thursday. I tried to give some simple advice, that saving up some money would be wise, and I was told I was being 'critical' of them.

So I never said anything again. Then their alternator blew on their car, and they has absolutely no money to fix it.

This is Capitalism. They earned more money than be by far, yet they were broke, and I had cash in the bank.

Capitalism is freedom of people to make choices and reap the consequences of those choices. For me, the choice to live frugally and invest, means I have cash in the bank, and stocks in large corporations.... even though I earned just $19,000 last year.

For others, Capitalism is the freedom to blow their money on things they desire, and have no money left.

Point being, "capitalism" doesn't cause wealth to accumulated in the hands of the few. The freedom of people, causes wealth to accumulate in the hands of the few.

Socialism is simply denying people the ability to choose. When you take away choices, and make people slaves of the state, then magically everyone has the same level of wealth. Granted... an impoverished amount of wealth... but at least it's equal impoverishment... right?

Capitalism needs rules because it would result in slavery. Ghettos are the result of capitalist slavery in America´s early years. Also, Ghettos result from a lack of government.

Nah, that's garbage. It's not even logical. Many socialist systems had slaves. Soviets were massive numbers of slavers, and unlike American slave owners, literally worked them to death, some cases intentionally. So was Maoist China.

If anything, a fundamental aspect of Capitalism, is property rights. How can you ever have capitalism, if you can't own property? Well if you are slave, that undermines the core aspect of property rights. Slaves can't own other things.

So by it's nature, slavery subverts Capitalism. And that's about the only connection between capitalism and slavery.

No, not the majority. In some, maybe. Government welfare is a tool to deal with the insufficiencies of capitalism. Capitalism and civilization are opposites. This is not a plea against market economy but against the law of the jungle.

Nearly all. Not some, or even a minority. Nearly all. Hilliard is a small suburb, and even here we introduced a section 8 housing area, and already it's a disaster. Police are there all the time. The place is trashed. I'm currently supporting an effort to force the city to close the section 8, and get rid of the dope smoking hoodlums there.

I don't really care what you call it. Fact is, it causes the very thing you claim it exists to remedy.

During the welfare reform of the 1990s, the local station sent a reporter to dig up one of these people that was going to get cut off. She found some lady, and she was saying she'll have to get a job, and the reporter asked "How devastating will this be for you and your kids?"

The lady responded "Oh we'll be better off. I'll have more money for the family when I get a job"

The reporter was shocked.... stuttered a bit "Well uh... Why didn't you get a job sooner?"

"I didn't have to".

Government programs do not help people out of poverty. They keep people in poverty. You don't help anyone. You harm everyone. You harm them, by keeping them in poverty. You harm us, the people who work paying for your crappy programs. And you harm society, because we hate those lazy ticks sucking the blood out of our butts, and they hate us because living off government strips away dignity and pride of providing for ones self.

There is not one good aspect to your programs, except that it allows you to live inside the myth that you are good person because someone ELSE is paying money to the poor.

That smart woman knows there is no from rag to riches. Her behavior is capitalist and aims to get the most out of the least. She does what you are actually demanding

Completely illogical statement. In a Capitalists system of voluntary exchange, she would not be able to force others to pay for her being lazy.

You are just stupid now. You want to just make up random personal definitions of words, so you can live in the make-believe that it fits your argument?

If you can't argue logically, then you are disqualified from this discussion.

 

[Bleipriester]

And I would argue that all of those ghettos and projects, and abandoned neighborhoods, are not examples of Capitalism, but rather of socialism.

The most obvious being the "projects". What do you think "projects" means? It's government public housing. Well if government is running it, paying for it, controlling it.... that's not Capitalism. That's socialism.

All the 'projects' that have failed across this country, can't be blamed on capitalism, because under capitalism, they never would have existed.

Slums and ghettos in the US, I would also argue are largely due to government. One of the primary reasons people stay poor, is because government teaches them to live off government. Which again... is socialism. Not Capitalism. Capitalism, people live off their work.

Most of these slums and ghettos, the majority of the people are living off of welfare, and food stamps, and section 8 housing. In fact one of the quickest ways to create a slum, is to make the area section 8.

Back in the 90s, I worked at Wendy's, and a lady came in, and told us she had to work X number of days until she could get back on Welfare, and then she was gone. Sure enough on the day she qualified for welfare, she stopped showing up for work.

The number one way any person moves up out of poverty, is by working, which gives them experience and skills, to move up the income chain.

Quitting because you qualify for welfare, means that you never get beyond entry level. Which means you stay in poverty, and the slums, for life.

It's a system that only exists because of socialism. Socialism, literally harms everyone. Capitalism benefits everyone.

Welfare, and other government programs, not only harm the welfare recipient, but it also harms all the working people who have to pay for the welfare recipient, and not only that it also harms the fabric of society, because working people hate the lazy slob not working, and the lazy slob hates the working people.

Socialism is the socioeconomic version of cancer, that destroys everything it touches.

I don´t agree.

The most obvious being the "projects". What do you think "projects" means? It's government public housing. Well if government is running it, paying for it, controlling it.... that's not Capitalism. That's socialism.

It is capitalism. Capitalism accumulates so much wealth on a small group of people that some are unable to pay for their own livelihood and need assistance even if they have two or three jobs. If you say no we do not make projects, those people would not disappear but pose an even larger problem. Pure capitalism.

Slums and ghettos in the US, I would also argue are largely due to government. One of the primary reasons people stay poor, is because government teaches them to live off government. Which again... is socialism. Not Capitalism. Capitalism, people live off their work.

Capitalism needs rules because it would result in slavery. Ghettos are the result of capitalist slavery in America´s early years. Also, Ghettos result from a lack of government.

Most of these slums and ghettos, the majority of the people are living off of welfare, and food stamps, and section 8 housing. In fact one of the quickest ways to create a slum, is to make the area section 8.

No, not the majority. In some, maybe. Government welfare is a tool to deal with the insufficiencies of capitalism. Capitalism and civilization are opposites. This is not a plea against market economy but against the law of the jungle.

Back in the 90s, I worked at Wendy's, and a lady came in, and told us she had to work X number of days until she could get back on Welfare, and then she was gone. Sure enough on the day she qualified for welfare, she stopped showing up for work.

The number one way any person moves up out of poverty, is by working, which gives them experience and skills, to move up the income chain.

Quitting because you qualify for welfare, means that you never get beyond entry level. Which means you stay in poverty, and the slums, for life.

That smart woman knows there is no from rag to riches. Her behavior is capitalist and aims to get the most out of the least. She does what you are actually demanding.

I don´t agree.

You have the right to be wrong.

It is capitalism. Capitalism accumulates so much wealth on a small group of people that some are unable to pay for their own livelihood and need assistance even if they have two or three jobs. If you say no we do not make projects, those people would not disappear but pose an even larger problem. Pure capitalism.

Wrong. Not true.

Capitalism does not require, or cause, people to be unable to pay for their own livelihood.

What capitalism does, is allow people to make choices. In socialism, in the pre-78 China, I have to work in the rice fields for the rest of my life. I don't have a choice in the matter. Which allows you to only earn as much as me, and we all get the same wage, some shelter, same food, same life. We have no hope, and no future. We are born poor, live poor, and die poor.

But.... we have a guaranteed income.

In Capitalism, you choose what you do. If you work at Burger King until you die, flipping whoopers, then you live a meager life until you die. But you don't have to. No one has to. They can choose to do something else.

Doug McMillon current CEO of walmart, started of working in the distribution center, unloading trucks. Seasonal job, during the summer, earning a few bucks and hour, unloading trucks.

Did he stay there? No, he went to college, got a degree, learned management skills, and then applied to move up to a new position. Then a another position. And kept moving every year or two, to a new spot in the company, and now he's CEO.

And here's the real kicker of Capitalism. Everyone is a capitalist. I'm a capitalist. You are a capitalist.

The only difference between the rich capitalist, and the poor capitalist, is whether they choose to invest their money, or blow it. If you spend all your money, you'll be the poor capitalist. If you invest your money, you'll be the rich capitalist, even if you make very little relatively speaking.

Janitor secretly amassed an $8 million fortune, left most of it to library and hospital

This guy worked as a janitor his entire life. End up with $8 Million. How? Saved and invested. Real simple. He saved up money, and invested into stocks of companies he liked.

Do you know Warren Buffet got to where he is? When he was in high school, he saved up money from a paper route, and bought a pinball machine. He then placed the pinball machine in a local business where it made more money.

Anyone can be a Buffet. Anyone. It's simply that people choose not to. I have a co-worker that bought a bran new car, on 24% interest, because he just couldn't stand not having a new car any longer. He's destined to be poor.

Years and years ago, a had a roommate, that spent every single penny they earned, from Friday's check, until they were flat broke by Thursday. I tried to give some simple advice, that saving up some money would be wise, and I was told I was being 'critical' of them.

So I never said anything again. Then their alternator blew on their car, and they has absolutely no money to fix it.

This is Capitalism. They earned more money than be by far, yet they were broke, and I had cash in the bank.

Capitalism is freedom of people to make choices and reap the consequences of those choices. For me, the choice to live frugally and invest, means I have cash in the bank, and stocks in large corporations.... even though I earned just $19,000 last year.

For others, Capitalism is the freedom to blow their money on things they desire, and have no money left.

Point being, "capitalism" doesn't cause wealth to accumulated in the hands of the few. The freedom of people, causes wealth to accumulate in the hands of the few.

Socialism is simply denying people the ability to choose. When you take away choices, and make people slaves of the state, then magically everyone has the same level of wealth. Granted... an impoverished amount of wealth... but at least it's equal impoverishment... right?

Capitalism needs rules because it would result in slavery. Ghettos are the result of capitalist slavery in America´s early years. Also, Ghettos result from a lack of government.

Nah, that's garbage. It's not even logical. Many socialist systems had slaves. Soviets were massive numbers of slavers, and unlike American slave owners, literally worked them to death, some cases intentionally. So was Maoist China.

If anything, a fundamental aspect of Capitalism, is property rights. How can you ever have capitalism, if you can't own property? Well if you are slave, that undermines the core aspect of property rights. Slaves can't own other things.

So by it's nature, slavery subverts Capitalism. And that's about the only connection between capitalism and slavery.

No, not the majority. In some, maybe. Government welfare is a tool to deal with the insufficiencies of capitalism. Capitalism and civilization are opposites. This is not a plea against market economy but against the law of the jungle.

Nearly all. Not some, or even a minority. Nearly all. Hilliard is a small suburb, and even here we introduced a section 8 housing area, and already it's a disaster. Police are there all the time. The place is trashed. I'm currently supporting an effort to force the city to close the section 8, and get rid of the dope smoking hoodlums there.

I don't really care what you call it. Fact is, it causes the very thing you claim it exists to remedy.

During the welfare reform of the 1990s, the local station sent a reporter to dig up one of these people that was going to get cut off. She found some lady, and she was saying she'll have to get a job, and the reporter asked "How devastating will this be for you and your kids?"

The lady responded "Oh we'll be better off. I'll have more money for the family when I get a job"

The reporter was shocked.... stuttered a bit "Well uh... Why didn't you get a job sooner?"

"I didn't have to".

Government programs do not help people out of poverty. They keep people in poverty. You don't help anyone. You harm everyone. You harm them, by keeping them in poverty. You harm us, the people who work paying for your crappy programs. And you harm society, because we hate those lazy ticks sucking the blood out of our butts, and they hate us because living off government strips away dignity and pride of providing for ones self.

There is not one good aspect to your programs, except that it allows you to live inside the myth that you are good person because someone ELSE is paying money to the poor.

That smart woman knows there is no from rag to riches. Her behavior is capitalist and aims to get the most out of the least. She does what you are actually demanding

Completely illogical statement. In a Capitalists system of voluntary exchange, she would not be able to force others to pay for her being lazy.

You are just stupid now. You want to just make up random personal definitions of words, so you can live in the make-believe that it fits your argument?

If you can't argue logically, then you are disqualified from this discussion.

Even in socialism people move up the career ladder when they are excel in their job. Your few cases of from rag to riches do not mean everyone has the choice to become rich. You are glorifying a system and don´t allow criticism. We all were billionaires if it was true what you say. The best mix of socialism and capitalism has to be found and applied.

 

[P@triot]

The US has the Best form of Socialism in the Entire World. The rich can even keep their multimillion dollar bonuses while on means tested corporate welfare and the poor can still have steak and lobster on their EBT cards.

And that stupidity right there is why we're $20 trillion in debt and have lost most of our liberties.

 

[P@triot]

Capitalism needs rules because it would result in slavery. Ghettos are the result of capitalist slavery in America´s early years. Also, Ghettos result from a lack of government.

Just think about that statement for a moment. It's as absurd as saying "the sun results in total darkness".

By its very nature - pure capitalism is pure liberty. Rules are slavery. They tell a person what they can and can't do. When someone else is deciding for you what you can and can't do - you're not in complete control of your own life. That's a part of slavery.

 

[Bleipriester]

Capitalism needs rules because it would result in slavery. Ghettos are the result of capitalist slavery in America´s early years. Also, Ghettos result from a lack of government.

Just think about that statement for a moment. It's as absurd as saying "the sun results in total darkness".

By its very nature - pure capitalism is pure liberty. Rules are slavery. They tell a person what they can and can't do. When someone else is deciding for you what you can and can't do - you're not in complete control of your own life. That's a part of slavery.

In fact, pure naked capitalism has halted human progress in Europe for centuries. Strong governments like Rome on the other hand rose.

As we can sum up, capitalist slavery is the result from an absence of rules.

 

[P@triot]

In fact, pure naked capitalism has halted human progress in Europe for centuries. Strong governments like Rome on the other hand rose.

As we can sum up, capitalist slavery is the result from an absence of rules.

Repeating a lie doesn't make it true. Man suffered for thousands of years until capitalism. Then, the standard of living absolutely shot through the roof. Capitalism has done more to improve mankind than anything else. That is an indisputable fact.

 

[Bleipriester]

In fact, pure naked capitalism has halted human progress in Europe for centuries. Strong governments like Rome on the other hand rose.

As we can sum up, capitalist slavery is the result from an absence of rules.

Repeating a lie doesn't make it true. Man suffered for thousands of years until capitalism. Then, the standard of living absolutely shot through the roof. Capitalism has done more to improve mankind than anything else. That is an indisputable fact.

Its bullshit. Capitalism needs socialism. In old Prussian capitalism, peoples´ wage for 16 hours of factory was a bag of potatoes. You can´t buy something with a potato and if you can´t buy something, the economy cannot grow. When socialist components were introduced, the economies started to grow.

 

[danielpalos]

The US has the Best form of Socialism in the Entire World. The rich can even keep their multimillion dollar bonuses while on means tested corporate welfare and the poor can still have steak and lobster on their EBT cards.

And that stupidity right there is why we're $20 trillion in debt and have lost most of our liberties.

dude; those are Your policies. Socialism on a national basis is all the right wing has.

 

[danielpalos]

Capitalism needs rules because it would result in slavery. Ghettos are the result of capitalist slavery in America´s early years. Also, Ghettos result from a lack of government.

Just think about that statement for a moment. It's as absurd as saying "the sun results in total darkness".

By its very nature - pure capitalism is pure liberty. Rules are slavery. They tell a person what they can and can't do. When someone else is deciding for you what you can and can't do - you're not in complete control of your own life. That's a part of slavery.

dude, slavery is immorality. we Only need, Ten simple Commandments from Any god.

 

[P@triot]

The US has the Best form of Socialism in the Entire World. The rich can even keep their multimillion dollar bonuses while on means tested corporate welfare and the poor can still have steak and lobster on their EBT cards.

And that stupidity right there is why we're $20 trillion in debt and have lost most of our liberties.

dude; those are Your policies. Socialism on a national basis is all the right wing has.

Socialism is exclusively left-wing, snowflake. Who passed Obamacare? Who passed welfare? Who passed Social Security? Who passed Medicaid?

Are any of those constitutional? Nope! Do they cost over $1 trillion per year - more than double the defense budget? Yep!

Do you look really stupid right now? Yes! Do we all wonder why you keep coming back for more? Yep.

 

[P@triot]

Capitalism needs rules because it would result in slavery. Ghettos are the result of capitalist slavery in America´s early years. Also, Ghettos result from a lack of government.

Just think about that statement for a moment. It's as absurd as saying "the sun results in total darkness".

By its very nature - pure capitalism is pure liberty. Rules are slavery. They tell a person what they can and can't do. When someone else is deciding for you what you can and can't do - you're not in complete control of your own life. That's a part of slavery.

dude, slavery is immorality. we Only need, Ten simple Commandments from Any god.

Slavery is immoral. Which begs the question - why are you left-winger so desperate to enslave everyone?

 

[danielpalos]

The US has the Best form of Socialism in the Entire World. The rich can even keep their multimillion dollar bonuses while on means tested corporate welfare and the poor can still have steak and lobster on their EBT cards.

And that stupidity right there is why we're $20 trillion in debt and have lost most of our liberties.

dude; those are Your policies. Socialism on a national basis is all the right wing has.

Socialism is exclusively left-wing, snowflake. Who passed Obamacare? Who passed welfare? Who passed Social Security? Who passed Medicaid?

Are any of those constitutional? Nope! Do they cost over $1 trillion per year - more than double the defense budget? Yep!

Do you look really stupid right now? Yes! Do we all wonder why you keep coming back for more? Yep.

special pleading much? our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror, are worse.

 

[danielpalos]

Capitalism needs rules because it would result in slavery. Ghettos are the result of capitalist slavery in America´s early years. Also, Ghettos result from a lack of government.

Just think about that statement for a moment. It's as absurd as saying "the sun results in total darkness".

By its very nature - pure capitalism is pure liberty. Rules are slavery. They tell a person what they can and can't do. When someone else is deciding for you what you can and can't do - you're not in complete control of your own life. That's a part of slavery.

dude, slavery is immorality. we Only need, Ten simple Commandments from Any god.

Slavery is immoral. Which begs the question - why are you left-winger so desperate to enslave everyone?

you are the one begging that question. We have a Commerce Clause.

 

[P@triot]

Slavery is immoral. Which begs the question - why are you left-winger so desperate to enslave everyone?

you are the one begging that question. We have a Commerce Clause.

So you think the "Commerce Clause" legalizes slavery?!?

 

[P@triot]

The US has the Best form of Socialism in the Entire World. The rich can even keep their multimillion dollar bonuses while on means tested corporate welfare and the poor can still have steak and lobster on their EBT cards.

And that stupidity right there is why we're $20 trillion in debt and have lost most of our liberties.

dude; those are Your policies. Socialism on a national basis is all the right wing has.

Socialism is exclusively left-wing, snowflake. Who passed Obamacare? Who passed welfare? Who passed Social Security? Who passed Medicaid?

Are any of those constitutional? Nope! Do they cost over $1 trillion per year - more than double the defense budget? Yep!

Do you look really stupid right now? Yes! Do we all wonder why you keep coming back for more? Yep.

special pleading much? our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror, are worse.

Well that's insanely idiotic - even by your normal standards. Waging a war against terror, crime, or drugs are not "socialism". Do you not understand what that term means? You were proclaiming the left engages in (and I quote) "national socialism". I pointed out that every idiotic socialist legislation in U.S. history was left-wing. You're best response to that indisputable fact was "our wars on crime, drugs, and terror are worse". What do any of those have to do with the fact that you were 100% wrong as usual?