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BREXIT - Boris Johnson: "This deal is a national humiliation that makes a mockery of Brexit"
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The Brexit debacle is a remarkable example of the failure of ‘referenda’ – that using a referendum or plebiscite to decide such important matters is reckless, irresponsible, unwarranted, and unwise.Hmm, not sure why I should care about Brexit .
The Brexit debacle is a remarkable example of the failure of ‘referenda’ – that using a referendum or plebiscite to decide such important matters is reckless, irresponsible, unwarranted, and unwise.Hmm, not sure why I should care about Brexit .
Brexit was the product of fear, ignorance, bigotry, and hate – having nothing to do with ‘populism,’ ‘liberation,’ or ‘independence.’
Referenda are great. They were used here to change the Parliamentary electoral system from first past the post to mixed member proportional. A second referendum some years after MMPs implementation confirmed it as the preferred option. Second referendums are also useful. The UK should hold one.The Brexit debacle is a remarkable example of the failure of ‘referenda’ – that using a referendum or plebiscite to decide such important matters is reckless, irresponsible, unwarranted, and unwise.
Once voters are informed of the effect of their vote they show more intelligence.Voting only functions well when voters are intelligent and informed; i.e., too infrequently.
What is more interesting is that every sane person said from the very beginning that Britain will get a bad deal if any. Simply because the EU has an upper hand in negotiations because it is Britain who is interested in preserving the privileges inside the EU and who has virtually nothing to offer in return. And now Brexiters of various ranks are bitching about how bad May is, how bad the EU is and so on. Leave the EU without a deal or accept what you are offered. You make an embarrasment from themselves.
What is more interesting is that every sane person said from the very beginning that Britain will get a bad deal if any. Simply because the EU has an upper hand in negotiations because it is Britain who is interested in preserving the privileges inside the EU and who has virtually nothing to offer in return. And now Brexiters of various ranks are bitching about how bad May is, how bad the EU is and so on. Leave the EU without a deal or accept what you are offered. You make an embarrasment from themselves.
I had an old buffer on the doorstep and he was full of it.
"We will get a great deal Tommy. Lets be honest they need us as much as we need them"
The puzzle is that May was a remainer and she knew that this was a load of shit, she said so many times.
May has put off the day of reckoning but not expecting any movement.
She would be gone if any of her opponents had any bottle.What is more interesting is that every sane person said from the very beginning that Britain will get a bad deal if any. Simply because the EU has an upper hand in negotiations because it is Britain who is interested in preserving the privileges inside the EU and who has virtually nothing to offer in return. And now Brexiters of various ranks are bitching about how bad May is, how bad the EU is and so on. Leave the EU without a deal or accept what you are offered. You make an embarrasment from themselves.
I had an old buffer on the doorstep and he was full of it.
"We will get a great deal Tommy. Lets be honest they need us as much as we need them"
The puzzle is that May was a remainer and she knew that this was a load of shit, she said so many times.
May has put off the day of reckoning but not expecting any movement.
I don't know why she's still hanging on.
Goes crawling back to Europe.
She would be gone if any of her opponents had any bottle.What is more interesting is that every sane person said from the very beginning that Britain will get a bad deal if any. Simply because the EU has an upper hand in negotiations because it is Britain who is interested in preserving the privileges inside the EU and who has virtually nothing to offer in return. And now Brexiters of various ranks are bitching about how bad May is, how bad the EU is and so on. Leave the EU without a deal or accept what you are offered. You make an embarrasment from themselves.
I had an old buffer on the doorstep and he was full of it.
"We will get a great deal Tommy. Lets be honest they need us as much as we need them"
The puzzle is that May was a remainer and she knew that this was a load of shit, she said so many times.
May has put off the day of reckoning but not expecting any movement.
I don't know why she's still hanging on.
Goes crawling back to Europe.
Which is why – again – a republican form of government is superior, or at least representative democracy, as opposed to ‘straight’ democracy, referenda, plebiscites, and other such nonsense.Voting only functions well when voters are intelligent and informed; i.e., too infrequently.
And yet there’s the Brexit debacle – no, referenda are not ‘great.’Referenda are great. They were used here to change the Parliamentary electoral system from first past the post to mixed member proportional. A second referendum some years after MMPs implementation confirmed it as the preferred option. Second referendums are also useful. The UK should hold one.The Brexit debacle is a remarkable example of the failure of ‘referenda’ – that using a referendum or plebiscite to decide such important matters is reckless, irresponsible, unwarranted, and unwise.