"This deal is a national humiliation that makes a mockery of Brexit"

[barryqwalsh]

BREXIT - Boris Johnson: "This deal is a national humiliation that makes a mockery of Brexit"

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Hmm, not sure why I should care about Brexit .

 

[cnm]

Well if anyone knows about national humiliation...

 

[barryqwalsh]

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Hmm, not sure why I should care about Brexit .

The Brexit debacle is a remarkable example of the failure of ‘referenda’ – that using a referendum or plebiscite to decide such important matters is reckless, irresponsible, unwarranted, and unwise.

Brexit was the product of fear, ignorance, bigotry, and hate – having nothing to do with ‘populism,’ ‘liberation,’ or ‘independence.’

 

[ESay]

What is more interesting is that every sane person said from the very beginning that Britain will get a bad deal if any. Simply because the EU has an upper hand in negotiations because it is Britain who is interested in preserving the privileges inside the EU and who has virtually nothing to offer in return. And now Brexiters of various ranks are bitching about how bad May is, how bad the EU is and so on. Leave the EU without a deal or accept what you are offered. You make an embarrasment from themselves.

 

[fncceo]

Hmm, not sure why I should care about Brexit .

The Brexit debacle is a remarkable example of the failure of ‘referenda’ – that using a referendum or plebiscite to decide such important matters is reckless, irresponsible, unwarranted, and unwise.

Brexit was the product of fear, ignorance, bigotry, and hate – having nothing to do with ‘populism,’ ‘liberation,’ or ‘independence.’

Heaven forbid we let citizens decide the future of their nation.

It could be anarchy.

 

[there4eyeM]

Voting only functions well when voters are intelligent and informed; i.e., too infrequently.

 

[cnm]

The Brexit debacle is a remarkable example of the failure of ‘referenda’ – that using a referendum or plebiscite to decide such important matters is reckless, irresponsible, unwarranted, and unwise.

Referenda are great. They were used here to change the Parliamentary electoral system from first past the post to mixed member proportional. A second referendum some years after MMPs implementation confirmed it as the preferred option. Second referendums are also useful. The UK should hold one.

 

[cnm]

Voting only functions well when voters are intelligent and informed; i.e., too infrequently.

Once voters are informed of the effect of their vote they show more intelligence.

 

[Mindful]

Patronising the Brexiteers does not excuse the monolithic monstrosity the EU has become.

People were fine with the Common Market.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

What is more interesting is that every sane person said from the very beginning that Britain will get a bad deal if any. Simply because the EU has an upper hand in negotiations because it is Britain who is interested in preserving the privileges inside the EU and who has virtually nothing to offer in return. And now Brexiters of various ranks are bitching about how bad May is, how bad the EU is and so on. Leave the EU without a deal or accept what you are offered. You make an embarrasment from themselves.

I had an old buffer on the doorstep and he was full of it.

"We will get a great deal Tommy. Lets be honest they need us as much as we need them"

The puzzle is that May was a remainer and she knew that this was a load of shit, she said so many times.

May has put off the day of reckoning but not expecting any movement.

 

[Mindful]

What is more interesting is that every sane person said from the very beginning that Britain will get a bad deal if any. Simply because the EU has an upper hand in negotiations because it is Britain who is interested in preserving the privileges inside the EU and who has virtually nothing to offer in return. And now Brexiters of various ranks are bitching about how bad May is, how bad the EU is and so on. Leave the EU without a deal or accept what you are offered. You make an embarrasment from themselves.

I had an old buffer on the doorstep and he was full of it.

"We will get a great deal Tommy. Lets be honest they need us as much as we need them"

The puzzle is that May was a remainer and she knew that this was a load of shit, she said so many times.

May has put off the day of reckoning but not expecting any movement.

I don't know why she's still hanging on.

Goes crawling back to Europe.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

What is more interesting is that every sane person said from the very beginning that Britain will get a bad deal if any. Simply because the EU has an upper hand in negotiations because it is Britain who is interested in preserving the privileges inside the EU and who has virtually nothing to offer in return. And now Brexiters of various ranks are bitching about how bad May is, how bad the EU is and so on. Leave the EU without a deal or accept what you are offered. You make an embarrasment from themselves.

I had an old buffer on the doorstep and he was full of it.

"We will get a great deal Tommy. Lets be honest they need us as much as we need them"

The puzzle is that May was a remainer and she knew that this was a load of shit, she said so many times.

May has put off the day of reckoning but not expecting any movement.

I don't know why she's still hanging on.

Goes crawling back to Europe.

She would be gone if any of her opponents had any bottle.

 

[Mindful]

What is more interesting is that every sane person said from the very beginning that Britain will get a bad deal if any. Simply because the EU has an upper hand in negotiations because it is Britain who is interested in preserving the privileges inside the EU and who has virtually nothing to offer in return. And now Brexiters of various ranks are bitching about how bad May is, how bad the EU is and so on. Leave the EU without a deal or accept what you are offered. You make an embarrasment from themselves.

I had an old buffer on the doorstep and he was full of it.

"We will get a great deal Tommy. Lets be honest they need us as much as we need them"

The puzzle is that May was a remainer and she knew that this was a load of shit, she said so many times.

May has put off the day of reckoning but not expecting any movement.

I don't know why she's still hanging on.

Goes crawling back to Europe.

She would be gone if any of her opponents had any bottle.

I wish she'd go. Don't know who could replace her. I don't even care, I 'm so worn down with it all.

 

[Mindful]

 

[Mindful]

 

[Mindful]

Brexit the musical.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Voting only functions well when voters are intelligent and informed; i.e., too infrequently.

Which is why – again – a republican form of government is superior, or at least representative democracy, as opposed to ‘straight’ democracy, referenda, plebiscites, and other such nonsense.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The Brexit debacle is a remarkable example of the failure of ‘referenda’ – that using a referendum or plebiscite to decide such important matters is reckless, irresponsible, unwarranted, and unwise.

Referenda are great. They were used here to change the Parliamentary electoral system from first past the post to mixed member proportional. A second referendum some years after MMPs implementation confirmed it as the preferred option. Second referendums are also useful. The UK should hold one.

And yet there’s the Brexit debacle – no, referenda are not ‘great.’

The people have the right to express their wishes and desires when electing their representatives and to elected office holders – with the benefit of those elected representatives filtering out the fear, ignorance, stupidity, and hate of the people.