Observations from posting on message boards: There is no such thing as an agnostic. There are three types of people who call themselves agnostic: true doubters, people who consider themselves intellectuals, and the pretenders. True doubters are where the phrase "there are no atheists in foxholes" comes from. They know it's pretty ridiculous, but they don't want to take any chances and the fear of death stops them from making up their mind (what if?...). The "intellectuals" just like to argue, but since religion really can't be argued to a certain conclusion, they don't try. These are the types who actually argue with atheists more than any other type. They love to throw out the old "being an atheist requires just as firm of a belief system as being a theist does..." bullshit. They love that one. The proof that agnostics are really believers is that they never argue with religious people, they only argue with atheists. The pretender is a religious zealot who pretends to be an agnostic. They give themselves away pretty quickly, though, because they can't help quoting from whatever text their religion uses. Some do it because they don't want to appear stupid to other board members, and some do it as almost a kind of missionary work. None of the pretenders can maintain the charade for very long because they take it personally and can't help it. There are two types of atheists. The Atheist and the atheist. The Atheist has a cause. Religion of any kind annoys the hell out of them, thinks all religious people are stupid, and in real life probably goes out of their way to find and eradicate any and all religious things they find outside of a church. The atheist is pretty much bewildered by everyone else. There is no god. All religion is bogus and no different than believing in The Tooth Fairy. But if people want to believe? As long as they are left alone, it's no biggie. "In God We Trust" on the money? Who cares? Biblical quotes at The Grand Canyon? So what? The atheist draws the line at government involvement. A president quoting the bible? Hey, the guy wants to get re-elected. But a prayer to The Lord at your kids graduation? That's different. Then an atheist may become an Atheist. It depends on how lazy they are. Two religious people arguing can be very funny. And not different religions. It can sometimes be very interesting to watch a Jew and a Christian go at it. But when two Christians go at it? Whoa! "Mormons aren't Christians", "Catholics are heathens", "Only those that accept Jesus will be saved!" (so a mass murderer who repents just before the injection goes to Heaven but a baby not baptized burns in Hell.) It's like watching two Superman fans argue about two different editions of the same comic book. And nasty? You ain't seen nothin' like a pissed off Christian. The only people I've seen get nastier are liberals.