The Use Of The Term “Fair” As Virtue-Signaling

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    Only the free market, capitalism, determines correctly what is fair. Let’s prove it.



    1.The unspoken assumption is that there is something morally wrong with inequalities. Where is the explanation of what would be a ‘fair share’ for the wealthy to give up? Irving Kristol, as editor of ‘Public Interest,’ wrote to professors who had written about the unfairness of income distribution, asking them to write an article as to what a ‘fair distribution’ would be; he has never gotten that article.
    Irving Kristol, “Neoconservative: the Autobiography of an Idea,” p. 166

    Why don't you try....what is the right level of taxation????



    2. “Here’s the problem: The word “fair” doesn’t mean “justice” or “equity” or, indeed, anything very specific. Instead, it’s become a sort of all-purpose statement of moral superiority—superiority tinged, paradoxically, with victimhood.

    We’ve developed a “fairness” obsession.

    But what do we mean when we use that word? Do we mean “justice”? Do we mean “equality”? Do we mean “need”? Or do we mean something else?

    Suppose you and Jane buy a cake together. You pay $6, and Jane pays $4. What would be the “fair” way to split it up? You could do it on the basis of proportionality—in other words, you get 60 percent of the cake and Jane gets 40 percent. Or you could do it on the basis of strict egalitarianism—half each, regardless of who paid what. Or you could do it on the basis of wealth. Jane has much less money than you for non-essentials like cake, so maybe she should get the larger share.

    A case can be made for each approach. But the beauty of the word “fair” is that it doesn’t require you to come down clearly in favor of any of them. It gives you the cover of ambiguity.

    So, for example, when a politician says, “We want the rich to pay their fair share,” he doesn’t usually mean that he wants the rich to pay taxes at the same rate as everyone else. He means that he wants them to pay extra. The word “fair” lets him present higher rates of taxation as a form of justice.

    But only if we don’t think about it too hard.”
    What Is "Fair"?



    And ‘thinking’ isn’t a Liberal value or gift. But….there is a way for society to determine what is fair.

    And I’ll explain it….
     
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    With a $23T Debt and rising, entitlements going bankrupt, and a $1T annual Budget Deficit, taxes need to be raised on the top rate, and a VAT (Fed sales tax 0f ~3%) needs to be added. If we continue on this irresponsible path it will be too late and the interest on the Debt will turn the US into Greece or Venezuela.

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    Does this also apply to "fair trade" which we hear so much about to justify the trade war?
     
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    Would this be like Trump constantly yelling that trade with China is not fair even though it's a perfect example of the free market?
     
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    But...but....our President is always whining he is not treated fair
     
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    Yeah it would, "fair" is relative so what might be "fair" to one party might be seen as wholly "unfair" to another party.

    Trump is using the word in this case to justify renegotiating the terms of trade, it's up to him to make the case that the existing terms of trade are "unfair", so far it would appear that he's achieved a moderate amount of success in making that case given the concessions that the Chinese seem willing to make.

    Personally though I think the Administrations approach has been clumsy, he could have gotten a better deal 3 years ago or he could have built a coalition of trading partners to go at the Chinese as a group, instead he made poorly timed demands that the Chinese would never agree to and did it unilaterally.
     
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    It’s not fair that I’m being Impeached when I’ve done absolutely nothing wrong! The Radical Left, Do Nothing Democrats have become the Party of Hate. They are so bad for our Country!


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    So, you agree Trump's use of the word is an all-purpose statement of moral superiority—superiority tinged, paradoxically, with victimhood?
     
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    Here is what nobody is willing to say: It is eminently FAIR that the brightest people who work hardest and are most productive should make the most money. Conversely, people who are dullards, lazy, and make horrible life decisions should be impecunious, or worse.

    And that is generally the state of Man in the U.S.

    In a nation of 330 million people, there are lots of exceptions - scoundrels who make millions and hard-working honest people who struggle - but generally, people get what they deserve. The rise of "inequality" is largely the result of technology, which multiplies the financial rewards of innovation, productivity, and good fortune.
     
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