The use of the 14th Amendment by gays for gay marriage can't be used

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    It is about equal protection under the law, which means that in one same gender couple is denied a marriage license all same gender couples must be denied a marriage license, that would be equal. States laws say that two people of the gender cannot marry, they don't specifically state that homosexuals can't marry, so technically a gay man can marry a lesbian, this refutes the lie that homosexuals are denied the right to marry, they can marry, they just cannot marry a person of the same gender.

    State laws forbid fathers from marrying daughters, mothers from marrying son, siblings from marrying siblings, bigamy and polygamy, how are gays any better than those people? If they argument that the 14th amendment doesn't apply to the above people how can they argue it applies to their argument?
     
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    Any two consenting adults should be allowed to marry for what ever reason they please.
     
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    Thats not the argument Ravi, gays don't believe bigamists, polygamists, and people incestuous relationships should be married but feel they should somehow have special consideration. The 14th Amendment doesn't apply to them. Since a lesbian and a gay man can marry each other gays are not denied the right to marriage. Just like two siblings cannot marry, two people of the same gender cannot marry.
     
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    The 14th Amendment’s equal protection clause does not guarantee individual liberties Ravi, thats what you're arguing and using the 14th Amendment as a strawman to advance something it doesn't in fact guarantee.
     
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    That is HER argument, and mine. Your argument is actually pretty stupid and holds no water.
     
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    Logically, what you say is true, but liberal jurist have always treated the 14th Amendment like a kid's breakfast cereals. "14th Amendment-Os- Free Prize Inside".

    "Wow, look, I found a right to abortion on demand!"

    "I found a right to strike down all the Sodomy laws!"

    So really, we've already got Judge Walker in California making the argument that based on Lawrence and Romer, that there is a right to gay marriage in the constitution.

    The Ninth Circus is likely to uphold his decision. That just leaves the SCOTUS. Four justices - the clinton and Obama appointees, will agree with that position, Scalia, Thomas, Alito and Thomas against. That just leaves Justice Kennedy, who has leaned towards gay rights.

    My guess is, that when the Republicans win in 2012, Kennedy will vote in favor of it as a final act of screw you.
     
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    Search the 14th Amendment and find where is says that it guarantee individual liberties.
     
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    And if you can get 51% of the population to agree with you on that, that's the way it should be.
     
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    I fail to see where incests, polygamy and same gender marriage are liberties in the Constitution.
     
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    There should be no need for this, it is a basic human right, something that is lost on many right wingers.
     

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