The Unteachables: A Generation that Cannot Learn

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    Here is our problem.

    "Meetings about bad grades are uncomfortable not merely because it is unpleasant to wound feelings unaccustomed to the sting. Too often, such meetings are exercises in futility. I have spent hours explaining an essay’s grammatical, stylistic, and logical weaknesses in the wearying certainty that the student was unable, both intellectually and emotionally, to comprehend what I was saying or to act on my advice.

    It is rare for such students to be genuinely desirous and capable of learning how to improve. Most of them simply hope that I will come around. Their belief that nothing requires improvement except the grade is one of the biggest obstacles that teachers face in the modern university. And that is perhaps the real tragedy of our education system: not only that so many students enter university lacking the basic skills and knowledge to succeed in their courses — terrible in itself — but also that they often arrive essentially unteachable, lacking the personal qualities necessary to respond to criticism."

    Here is the full article: PJ Media » The Unteachables: A Generation that Cannot Learn
     
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    Ah, Johnny can't read, comprehend, and write, speaks volumes as to the failings of our current educational system and quality of unionized teachers. The result of looking the other way and advancing without merit to obtain set goals. Well, stated, great article!
     
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    Here's our problem:

    Through crap like social promotion, outcome-based edumacation, keeping disruptive kids in classes, propagandization, and via various and sundry other political social engineering experiments like forced busing, gubmint schools have pretty much beat the love of learning out of America's kids.

    Time to separate education and state.
     
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    The unteachable student has been told all her life that she is excellent: gifted, creative, insightful, thoughtful, able to succeed at whatever she tries, full of potential and innate ability. Pedagogical wisdom since at least the time of John Dewey — and in some form all the way back to William Wordsworth’s divinely anointed child “trailing clouds of glory” — has stressed the development of self-esteem and a sense of achievement

    It is axiomatic that someone who already knows everything is capable of learning nothing. The same view that they are already perfect that carried them through school is carried on into the workplace. They start off deficient, with an imagining they are qualified. A workplace supervisor has no more luck training the untrainable than the teacher has in teaching the unteachable. I recall correcting the spelling of a secretary when she typed oppurtunity instead of opportunity. Rather than make the change, she gave me an argument so I showed her the dictionary with the correct spelling. Rather than admit that she was wrong and correct the error, she inisisted that the dictionary was wrong and whoever wrote it was stupid.

    The end result of these graduates of a futile educational system is that employers are not likely to hire not only ignorant but argumentative Amercans who demand accommodation of deficiency and recognition of deficient work product as superior work product. The unteachable become the untrainable who in turn become the unemployable.
     
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    Education needs to be removed from the Feds and unions to save our children from failure.
     
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    Five states do not allow teacher unions. These five states also have the lowest test scores in the nation, 50th, 49th, 48th, 47th and 44th.
     
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    Excellent post!

    But, the very reason Liberals, tyrants, oppose separation of church and state is because everything wrong with government education is what they want. Another illustration of the uselessness of the Republican Party is that they don't promote privatizing education.
     
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    You sure said a mouth full this time... Bravo !!! It is so true, and very well summed up quite nicely I might add, as is written in your short wording.

    Got behind a bus the other day, and it had traffic backed up like you wouldn't believe, because it was stopping every 100 to 200 feet, and in some of the most dangerous places on the roadways (curves and such), just to let off a few kids here, and a few kids there, then when you would try to pass, the bus would drag race you to the next stop and win, because these buses will flat out get it these days.

    I remember when buses would only run tops 45 miles an hour, and the kids were only on the bus all the way down to the last kid for about an hour, where as now they are on the bus for two hours before getting to their destination in which is very unreasonable (IMHO). When I was young there were designated bus stops, and they would have one or two parents present at them for security (stay at home moms or grandparents), and at these stops there would be sometimes 12 to 15 kids present, where as the bus would only have to stop 4 or maybe five times before reaching it's destination via (school) and/or (schools).

    This is the most prime example that is in our face now, upon what government can turn into if allowed to go to far, where as they have gotten these kids & their parents so dependent on government, that it creates chaos in the streets at an alarming rate, but is hidden from site in a non-transparent way.

    If I were in charge, I would redraw the districts to accomodate the parents and their kids better (no more hours of riding on a bus, just for a child to get home), and all for the sake of an overall agenda or political correctness gone mad, in which has been taken to the extremes, and there would be no more stopping at every other house on the street either, just to personally let off one or two kids at their front door every 100 to 200 feet as it has been witnessed that many buses are now doing for them.

    They (the kids) would be let off at the newly designated home community bus stops, where their moms or dads would be waiting there for them (having some skin in the game or responsibility over their own children). Hec if they began doing this, it would actually create jobs and save money all at the same time, by placing a floating security officer on duty in sectors, and also appointing parent (background checked) volunteers at these (4) possible locations/stops, as to be then designated on a route for one bus, just to make sure that the kids are safely picked up from these locations, and are not bullied at these locations while waiting on the bus. Imagine the tax payer savings in fuel and wear and tear on these units, along with the safety returning to the system of highways, when these buses are no longer stopping in places that endanger the kids and the drivers lives anylonger. I can take you all to a few places right now, where buses stop down and around a curve, backing traffic up 10 to maybe 15 cars back, where next a loaded tractor trailer comes around the curve doing the 60 mile an hour speed limit, when all of a sudden he or she has no where to go, but over to the on coming side or into the woods via jumping the ditch in order to miss the bus that is stopped. You wouldnot believe the blackmarks on the highway at this location. We have complained to the DOT about it, but it never hits home, and the trucks just keep on coming, and then avoiding until what finally ? (I hate to think what will happen soon). This is another problem where government has gotten so strong, that it can't even be corrected due to it's arrogance and ignorance involved in these situations anymore.

    Heads would roll if I were in charge, until normalcy returned to this nation once again, and a true representitive government with morals and integridy were to be born again.

    How long folks, how long until we wake back up from this nightmare going on in America ?
     
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    In the past schools presented their programs to students and those that could and wanted to learn did. The dropout rate for some schools, however, was pretty high, but the few that graduated usually had a fair education. Then in the Fifties came the cry, "keep em in school and off the streets." So schools now embarked on a new mission of keeping kids off the street. But to do so standards had to be changed, social promotion, expanded sport programs, alternative schools, smaller classes, more social events and other inducements were enlarged or added as part of the package.
    If schools went back to their old standards, their old requirements, their old let the erring student go, we might have diplomas that carried a little more weight, but what of that large percentage of students that would drop?
     

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