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Because gubmint schools are in the business of promoting socialism and other collectivist authoritarian philosophies, not pointing out their horrors.On a more serious note, why wasn't this something I learned in high school history? It seems like a pretty big damn deal.
Sometimes you have to make nice with one enemy to defeat another.One has to wonder what sort of womb can grow such monsters, as Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, and so many others of this ilk!!!
Holocaust by hunger: The truth behind Stalin's Great Famine
By Simon Sebag Montefiore
Last updated at 1:50 AM on 26th July 2008
The demented Roman Emperor Caligula once mused that if all the people of Rome had one neck he would cut it just to be rid of his troublesome people.
The trouble was there were simply too many Romans to kill them all.
Many centuries later, the brutal Soviet dictator Josef Stalin reflected that he would have liked to deport the entire Ukrainian nation, but 20 million were too many to move even for him.
So he found another solution: starvation.
Now, 75 years after one of the great forgotten crimes of modern times, Stalin's man-made famine of 1932/3, the former Soviet republic of Ukraine is asking the world to classify it as a genocide.
The Ukrainians call it the Holodomor - the Hunger.
Millions starved as Soviet troops and secret policemen raided their villages, stole the harvest and all the food in villagers' homes.
They dropped dead in the streets, lay dying and rotting in their houses, and some women became so desperate for food that they ate their own children.
...
So terrible was the famine that Igor Yukhnovsky, director of the Institute of National Memory, the Ukrainian institution researching the Holodomor, believes as many as nine million may have died.
For decades the disaster remained a state secret, denied by Stalin and his Soviet government and concealed from the outside world with the help of the 'useful idiots' - as Lenin called Soviet sympathisers in the West.
Russia is furious that Ukraine has raised the issue of the famine: the swaggering 21st-century state of Prime Minister Putin and President Medvedev see this as nationalist chicanery designed to promote Ukraine, which may soon join Nato and the EU.
...
The Ukraine was the bread basket of Russia, but the Great Famine of 1932/3 was not just aimed at the Ukrainians as a nation - it was a deliberate policy aimed at the entire Soviet peasant population - Russian, Ukrainian and Kazakh - especially better-off, small-time farmers.
It was a class war designed to 'break the back of the peasantry', a war of the cities against the countryside and, unlike the Holocaust, it was not designed to eradicate an ethnic people, but to shatter their independent spirit.
So while it may not be a formal case of genocide, it does, indeed, rank as one of the most terrible crimes of the 20th century.
...
Stalin called the peasants 'saboteurs' and declared it 'a fight to the death! These people deliberately tried to sabotage the Soviet stage'.
Between four and five million died in Ukraine, a million died in Kazakhstan and another million in the north Caucasus and the Volga.
By 1933, 5.7 million households - somewhere between ten million and 15 million people - had vanished. They had been deported, shot or died of starvation.
As for Stalin, he emerged more ruthless, more paranoid, more isolated than before.
Stalin later told Winston Churchill that this was the most difficult time of his entire life, harder even than Hitler's invasion.
'It was a terrible struggle' in which he had 'to destroy ten million. It was fearful. Four years it lasted - but it was absolutely necessary'.
Only in the mind of a brutal dictator could the mass murder of his own people be considered 'necessary'.
Whether it was genocide or not, perhaps now the true nature of one of the worst crimes in history will finally be acknowledged.
Read the complete article here.
and
The Other Holocaust
I learned it in school. Public school as a matter of fact.Because gubmint schools are in the business of promoting socialism and other collectivist authoritarian philosophies, not pointing out their horrors.On a more serious note, why wasn't this something I learned in high school history? It seems like a pretty big damn deal.
And Mao, whom the Americans also abetted and enabled, was even worse.
Someone needs to share that little tidbit with Anita Dunn.
Because gubmint schools are in the business of promoting socialism and other collectivist authoritarian philosophies, not pointing out their horrors.On a more serious note, why wasn't this something I learned in high school history? It seems like a pretty big damn deal.
Of course when you only take the basic history classes in high school, you learn basic history.
Because gubmint schools are in the business of promoting socialism and other collectivist authoritarian philosophies, not pointing out their horrors.On a more serious note, why wasn't this something I learned in high school history? It seems like a pretty big damn deal.
Maybe in the backwoods school you went to, that might be true. I live in a blue state and I had a high school teacher even teach us the history of Christianity.
I heard her...The "philosophy" of Mao led to the deaths of more than 35 million of his own people.And Mao, whom the Americans also abetted and enabled, was even worse.
Someone needs to share that little tidbit with Anita Dunn.
And you need to be smart enough to listen to everything she said.
Looking at this title, I have to wonder at the OP.
Stalin...A huge leftist....is worse then Hitler.
So you are saying that the American political left...who are sometimes an American ally....are worse then Hitler?
Because gubmint schools are in the business of promoting socialism and other collectivist authoritarian philosophies, not pointing out their horrors.
Maybe in the backwoods school you went to, that might be true. I live in a blue state and I had a high school teacher even teach us the history of Christianity.
Yeah, maybe that's why I didn't learn it. I'm more of a math, art, and physics kind of guy.
On a more serious note, why wasn't this something I learned in high school history? It seems like a pretty big damn deal.
On a more serious note, why wasn't this something I learned in high school history? It seems like a pretty big damn deal.
Because all you were fed in High School was frosting, no cake!
And likely, your mind was more on scoring than any real effort at learning more than you absolutely had to.
Nature of the beast!
One has to wonder what sort of womb can grow such monsters, as Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, and so many others of this ilk!!!
Holocaust by hunger: The truth behind Stalin's Great Famine
By Simon Sebag Montefiore
Last updated at 1:50 AM on 26th July 2008
The demented Roman Emperor Caligula once mused that if all the people of Rome had one neck he would cut it just to be rid of his troublesome people.
The trouble was there were simply too many Romans to kill them all.
Many centuries later, the brutal Soviet dictator Josef Stalin reflected that he would have liked to deport the entire Ukrainian nation, but 20 million were too many to move even for him.
So he found another solution: starvation.
Now, 75 years after one of the great forgotten crimes of modern times, Stalin's man-made famine of 1932/3, the former Soviet republic of Ukraine is asking the world to classify it as a genocide.
The Ukrainians call it the Holodomor - the Hunger.
Millions starved as Soviet troops and secret policemen raided their villages, stole the harvest and all the food in villagers' homes.
They dropped dead in the streets, lay dying and rotting in their houses, and some women became so desperate for food that they ate their own children.
...
So terrible was the famine that Igor Yukhnovsky, director of the Institute of National Memory, the Ukrainian institution researching the Holodomor, believes as many as nine million may have died.
For decades the disaster remained a state secret, denied by Stalin and his Soviet government and concealed from the outside world with the help of the 'useful idiots' - as Lenin called Soviet sympathisers in the West.
Russia is furious that Ukraine has raised the issue of the famine: the swaggering 21st-century state of Prime Minister Putin and President Medvedev see this as nationalist chicanery designed to promote Ukraine, which may soon join Nato and the EU.
...
The Ukraine was the bread basket of Russia, but the Great Famine of 1932/3 was not just aimed at the Ukrainians as a nation - it was a deliberate policy aimed at the entire Soviet peasant population - Russian, Ukrainian and Kazakh - especially better-off, small-time farmers.
It was a class war designed to 'break the back of the peasantry', a war of the cities against the countryside and, unlike the Holocaust, it was not designed to eradicate an ethnic people, but to shatter their independent spirit.
So while it may not be a formal case of genocide, it does, indeed, rank as one of the most terrible crimes of the 20th century.
...
Stalin called the peasants 'saboteurs' and declared it 'a fight to the death! These people deliberately tried to sabotage the Soviet stage'.
Between four and five million died in Ukraine, a million died in Kazakhstan and another million in the north Caucasus and the Volga.
By 1933, 5.7 million households - somewhere between ten million and 15 million people - had vanished. They had been deported, shot or died of starvation.
As for Stalin, he emerged more ruthless, more paranoid, more isolated than before.
Stalin later told Winston Churchill that this was the most difficult time of his entire life, harder even than Hitler's invasion.
'It was a terrible struggle' in which he had 'to destroy ten million. It was fearful. Four years it lasted - but it was absolutely necessary'.
Only in the mind of a brutal dictator could the mass murder of his own people be considered 'necessary'.
Whether it was genocide or not, perhaps now the true nature of one of the worst crimes in history will finally be acknowledged.
Read the complete article here.
and
The Other Holocaust
Because gubmint schools are in the business of promoting socialism and other collectivist authoritarian philosophies, not pointing out their horrors.On a more serious note, why wasn't this something I learned in high school history? It seems like a pretty big damn deal.
What did the US win?Yet another reason why I often tell people the USA didn't 'really' win WWII and we wern't 'the good guys' but just one of many self interested nations at war.
We did not win World War 11??? Seems to me that if we didn't win World War 11 we would all be speaking German by now.Those of us that are left anyway.
One has to wonder what sort of womb can grow such monsters, as Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, and so many others of this ilk!!!
Holocaust by hunger: The truth behind Stalin's Great Famine
By Simon Sebag Montefiore
Last updated at 1:50 AM on 26th July 2008
The demented Roman Emperor Caligula once mused that if all the people of Rome had one neck he would cut it just to be rid of his troublesome people.
The trouble was there were simply too many Romans to kill them all.
Many centuries later, the brutal Soviet dictator Josef Stalin reflected that he would have liked to deport the entire Ukrainian nation, but 20 million were too many to move even for him.
So he found another solution: starvation.
Now, 75 years after one of the great forgotten crimes of modern times, Stalin's man-made famine of 1932/3, the former Soviet republic of Ukraine is asking the world to classify it as a genocide.
The Ukrainians call it the Holodomor - the Hunger.
Millions starved as Soviet troops and secret policemen raided their villages, stole the harvest and all the food in villagers' homes.
They dropped dead in the streets, lay dying and rotting in their houses, and some women became so desperate for food that they ate their own children.
...
So terrible was the famine that Igor Yukhnovsky, director of the Institute of National Memory, the Ukrainian institution researching the Holodomor, believes as many as nine million may have died.
For decades the disaster remained a state secret, denied by Stalin and his Soviet government and concealed from the outside world with the help of the 'useful idiots' - as Lenin called Soviet sympathisers in the West.
Russia is furious that Ukraine has raised the issue of the famine: the swaggering 21st-century state of Prime Minister Putin and President Medvedev see this as nationalist chicanery designed to promote Ukraine, which may soon join Nato and the EU.
...
The Ukraine was the bread basket of Russia, but the Great Famine of 1932/3 was not just aimed at the Ukrainians as a nation - it was a deliberate policy aimed at the entire Soviet peasant population - Russian, Ukrainian and Kazakh - especially better-off, small-time farmers.
It was a class war designed to 'break the back of the peasantry', a war of the cities against the countryside and, unlike the Holocaust, it was not designed to eradicate an ethnic people, but to shatter their independent spirit.
So while it may not be a formal case of genocide, it does, indeed, rank as one of the most terrible crimes of the 20th century.
...
Stalin called the peasants 'saboteurs' and declared it 'a fight to the death! These people deliberately tried to sabotage the Soviet stage'.
Between four and five million died in Ukraine, a million died in Kazakhstan and another million in the north Caucasus and the Volga.
By 1933, 5.7 million households - somewhere between ten million and 15 million people - had vanished. They had been deported, shot or died of starvation.
As for Stalin, he emerged more ruthless, more paranoid, more isolated than before.
Stalin later told Winston Churchill that this was the most difficult time of his entire life, harder even than Hitler's invasion.
'It was a terrible struggle' in which he had 'to destroy ten million. It was fearful. Four years it lasted - but it was absolutely necessary'.
Only in the mind of a brutal dictator could the mass murder of his own people be considered 'necessary'.
Whether it was genocide or not, perhaps now the true nature of one of the worst crimes in history will finally be acknowledged.
Read the complete article here.
and
The Other Holocaust
One has to wonder what sort of womb can grow such monsters, as Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, and so many others of this ilk!!!
Read the complete article here.
and
The Other Holocaust
We were fighting a World War, he was convenient at the time. Notice carefully you dumb ass, that as soon as Germany was out of the picture he was our enemy.
...
When the war was over China refused to allow the Communists into the Government and we promptly cut off all war materials to Nationalist China. Stalin had promised not to deliver war materials to the Communists. He skirted that by delivering all the Japanese arms munitions and supplies the Soviets captured from over 700,000 captured Japanese.
One has to wonder what sort of womb can grow such monsters, as Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, and so many others of this ilk!!!
Read the complete article here.
and
The Other Holocaust
We were fighting a World War, he was convenient at the time. Notice carefully you dumb ass, that as soon as Germany was out of the picture he was our enemy.
...
When the war was over China refused to allow the Communists into the Government and we promptly cut off all war materials to Nationalist China. Stalin had promised not to deliver war materials to the Communists. He skirted that by delivering all the Japanese arms munitions and supplies the Soviets captured from over 700,000 captured Japanese.
So since Stalin became our ENEMY after the war, we did what we could to further his cause by cutting off Chiang Kai Shek and the Nationalists??? How convenient was THAT, for us or the nationalists? Some Ally of the Nationalists we were!!!!
We were fighting a World War, he was convenient at the time. Notice carefully you dumb ass, that as soon as Germany was out of the picture he was our enemy.
...
When the war was over China refused to allow the Communists into the Government and we promptly cut off all war materials to Nationalist China. Stalin had promised not to deliver war materials to the Communists. He skirted that by delivering all the Japanese arms munitions and supplies the Soviets captured from over 700,000 captured Japanese.
So since Stalin became our ENEMY after the war, we did what we could to further his cause by cutting off Chiang Kai Shek and the Nationalists??? How convenient was THAT, for us or the nationalists? Some Ally of the Nationalists we were!!!!
Your Democrats did that FDR followed by Truman. FDR made the deal and Truman kept it.
Now granted by 47/48 the US once again figured out the Soviets lied but it was to late to save the Nationalists.
