The Truth Comes Out: Stalin, worse even than Hitler, and He was a US Ally

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    One has to wonder what sort of womb can grow such monsters, as Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, and so many others of this ilk!!!


    Holocaust by hunger: The truth behind Stalin's Great Famine


    By Simon Sebag Montefiore
    Last updated at 1:50 AM on 26th July 2008

    The demented Roman Emperor Caligula once mused that if all the people of Rome had one neck he would cut it just to be rid of his troublesome people.

    The trouble was there were simply too many Romans to kill them all.

    Many centuries later, the brutal Soviet dictator Josef Stalin reflected that he would have liked to deport the entire Ukrainian nation, but 20 million were too many to move even for him.

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    So he found another solution: starvation.

    Now, 75 years after one of the great forgotten crimes of modern times, Stalin's man-made famine of 1932/3, the former Soviet republic of Ukraine is asking the world to classify it as a genocide.

    The Ukrainians call it the Holodomor - the Hunger.

    Millions starved as Soviet troops and secret policemen raided their villages, stole the harvest and all the food in villagers' homes.

    They dropped dead in the streets, lay dying and rotting in their houses, and some women became so desperate for food that they ate their own children.

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    So terrible was the famine that Igor Yukhnovsky, director of the Institute of National Memory, the Ukrainian institution researching the Holodomor, believes as many as nine million may have died.

    For decades the disaster remained a state secret, denied by Stalin and his Soviet government and concealed from the outside world with the help of the 'useful idiots' - as Lenin called Soviet sympathisers in the West.

    Russia is furious that Ukraine has raised the issue of the famine: the swaggering 21st-century state of Prime Minister Putin and President Medvedev see this as nationalist chicanery designed to promote Ukraine, which may soon join Nato and the EU.

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    The Ukraine was the bread basket of Russia, but the Great Famine of 1932/3 was not just aimed at the Ukrainians as a nation - it was a deliberate policy aimed at the entire Soviet peasant population - Russian, Ukrainian and Kazakh - especially better-off, small-time farmers.

    It was a class war designed to 'break the back of the peasantry', a war of the cities against the countryside and, unlike the Holocaust, it was not designed to eradicate an ethnic people, but to shatter their independent spirit.

    So while it may not be a formal case of genocide, it does, indeed, rank as one of the most terrible crimes of the 20th century.

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    Stalin called the peasants 'saboteurs' and declared it 'a fight to the death! These people deliberately tried to sabotage the Soviet stage'.

    Between four and five million died in Ukraine, a million died in Kazakhstan and another million in the north Caucasus and the Volga.

    By 1933, 5.7 million households - somewhere between ten million and 15 million people - had vanished. They had been deported, shot or died of starvation.

    As for Stalin, he emerged more ruthless, more paranoid, more isolated than before.

    Stalin later told Winston Churchill that this was the most difficult time of his entire life, harder even than Hitler's invasion.

    'It was a terrible struggle' in which he had 'to destroy ten million. It was fearful. Four years it lasted - but it was absolutely necessary'.

    Only in the mind of a brutal dictator could the mass murder of his own people be considered 'necessary'.

    Whether it was genocide or not, perhaps now the true nature of one of the worst crimes in history will finally be acknowledged.


    Read the complete article here.

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    And Mao, whom the Americans also abetted and enabled, was even worse.

    Someone needs to share that little tidbit with Anita Dunn.
     
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    Except Stalin was an adversary of the U.S. after the war.
     
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    That's the cost of creating a Marxist paradise.
     
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    Yet another reason why I often tell people the USA didn't 'really' win WWII and we wern't 'the good guys' but just one of many self interested nations at war.
     
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    Stalin also beat the Germans for us saving a million American lives while sacrificing 30 million Russians. Not a bad deal
     
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    The Germans wouldnt have needed to be beaten if Stalin hadnt originally conspired to divide Europe with them. The only reason Stalin turned on them was because Hitler was an idiot and invaded the Soviets, violating their agreement. If Hitler had instead focused on the western front, consolidated power, and not declared war on the US when the Japanese attacked us, he may have actually had a chance and could have dealt with the Soviets then. But he jumped the gun, picked too many fights at once and lost.

    I am not going to thank Stalin for doing what's in his best interest. Especially when he did far worse than Hitler ever imagined.
     
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    Not thanking Stalin at all. He was one of the worst despots in history. Just acknowleging that we benefitted from the alliance. Deal with the devil....but it worked out. The US came out of the war with the only intact economy
     
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    Looking at this title, I have to wonder at the OP.

    Stalin...A huge leftist....is worse then Hitler.

    So you are saying that the American political left...who are sometimes an American ally....are worse then Hitler?
     

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