The Truth Comes Out: Stalin, worse even than Hitler, and He was a US Ally

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One has to wonder what sort of womb can grow such monsters, as Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, and so many others of this ilk!!!


Holocaust by hunger: The truth behind Stalin's Great Famine


By Simon Sebag Montefiore
Last updated at 1:50 AM on 26th July 2008

The demented Roman Emperor Caligula once mused that if all the people of Rome had one neck he would cut it just to be rid of his troublesome people.

The trouble was there were simply too many Romans to kill them all.

Many centuries later, the brutal Soviet dictator Josef Stalin reflected that he would have liked to deport the entire Ukrainian nation, but 20 million were too many to move even for him.

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So he found another solution: starvation.

Now, 75 years after one of the great forgotten crimes of modern times, Stalin's man-made famine of 1932/3, the former Soviet republic of Ukraine is asking the world to classify it as a genocide.

The Ukrainians call it the Holodomor - the Hunger.

Millions starved as Soviet troops and secret policemen raided their villages, stole the harvest and all the food in villagers' homes.

They dropped dead in the streets, lay dying and rotting in their houses, and some women became so desperate for food that they ate their own children.

...

So terrible was the famine that Igor Yukhnovsky, director of the Institute of National Memory, the Ukrainian institution researching the Holodomor, believes as many as nine million may have died.

For decades the disaster remained a state secret, denied by Stalin and his Soviet government and concealed from the outside world with the help of the 'useful idiots' - as Lenin called Soviet sympathisers in the West.

Russia is furious that Ukraine has raised the issue of the famine: the swaggering 21st-century state of Prime Minister Putin and President Medvedev see this as nationalist chicanery designed to promote Ukraine, which may soon join Nato and the EU.

...


The Ukraine was the bread basket of Russia, but the Great Famine of 1932/3 was not just aimed at the Ukrainians as a nation - it was a deliberate policy aimed at the entire Soviet peasant population - Russian, Ukrainian and Kazakh - especially better-off, small-time farmers.

It was a class war designed to 'break the back of the peasantry', a war of the cities against the countryside and, unlike the Holocaust, it was not designed to eradicate an ethnic people, but to shatter their independent spirit.

So while it may not be a formal case of genocide, it does, indeed, rank as one of the most terrible crimes of the 20th century.

...

Stalin called the peasants 'saboteurs' and declared it 'a fight to the death! These people deliberately tried to sabotage the Soviet stage'.

Between four and five million died in Ukraine, a million died in Kazakhstan and another million in the north Caucasus and the Volga.

By 1933, 5.7 million households - somewhere between ten million and 15 million people - had vanished. They had been deported, shot or died of starvation.

As for Stalin, he emerged more ruthless, more paranoid, more isolated than before.

Stalin later told Winston Churchill that this was the most difficult time of his entire life, harder even than Hitler's invasion.

'It was a terrible struggle' in which he had 'to destroy ten million. It was fearful. Four years it lasted - but it was absolutely necessary'.

Only in the mind of a brutal dictator could the mass murder of his own people be considered 'necessary'.

Whether it was genocide or not, perhaps now the true nature of one of the worst crimes in history will finally be acknowledged.


Read the complete article here.

and

The Other Holocaust
 
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Yet another reason why I often tell people the USA didn't 'really' win WWII and we wern't 'the good guys' but just one of many self interested nations at war.
 
Stalin also beat the Germans for us saving a million American lives while sacrificing 30 million Russians. Not a bad deal
 
Stalin also beat the Germans for us saving a million American lives while sacrificing 30 million Russians. Not a bad deal

The Germans wouldnt have needed to be beaten if Stalin hadnt originally conspired to divide Europe with them. The only reason Stalin turned on them was because Hitler was an idiot and invaded the Soviets, violating their agreement. If Hitler had instead focused on the western front, consolidated power, and not declared war on the US when the Japanese attacked us, he may have actually had a chance and could have dealt with the Soviets then. But he jumped the gun, picked too many fights at once and lost.

I am not going to thank Stalin for doing what's in his best interest. Especially when he did far worse than Hitler ever imagined.
 
Stalin also beat the Germans for us saving a million American lives while sacrificing 30 million Russians. Not a bad deal

The Germans wouldnt have needed to be beaten if Stalin hadnt originally conspired to divide Europe with them. The only reason Stalin turned on them was because Hitler was an idiot and invaded the Soviets, violating their agreement. If Hitler had instead focused on the western front, consolidated power, and not declared war on the US when the Japanese attacked us, he may have actually had a chance and could have dealt with the Soviets then. But he jumped the gun, picked too many fights at once and lost.

I am not going to thank Stalin for doing what's in his best interest. Especially when he did far worse than Hitler ever imagined.

Not thanking Stalin at all. He was one of the worst despots in history. Just acknowleging that we benefitted from the alliance. Deal with the devil....but it worked out. The US came out of the war with the only intact economy
 
Looking at this title, I have to wonder at the OP.

Stalin...A huge leftist....is worse then Hitler.

So you are saying that the American political left...who are sometimes an American ally....are worse then Hitler?
 
Yet another reason why I often tell people the USA didn't 'really' win WWII and we wern't 'the good guys' but just one of many self interested nations at war.

We did not win World War 11??? Seems to me that if we didn't win World War 11 we would all be speaking German by now.:lol::lol: Those of us that are left anyway.:lol:
 
One has to wonder what sort of womb can grow such monsters, as Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, and so many others of this ilk!!!


Holocaust by hunger: The truth behind Stalin's Great Famine


By Simon Sebag Montefiore
Last updated at 1:50 AM on 26th July 2008

The demented Roman Emperor Caligula once mused that if all the people of Rome had one neck he would cut it just to be rid of his troublesome people.

The trouble was there were simply too many Romans to kill them all.

Many centuries later, the brutal Soviet dictator Josef Stalin reflected that he would have liked to deport the entire Ukrainian nation, but 20 million were too many to move even for him.

article-1038774-0213677A00000578-562_468x286.jpg


So he found another solution: starvation.

Now, 75 years after one of the great forgotten crimes of modern times, Stalin's man-made famine of 1932/3, the former Soviet republic of Ukraine is asking the world to classify it as a genocide.

The Ukrainians call it the Holodomor - the Hunger.

Millions starved as Soviet troops and secret policemen raided their villages, stole the harvest and all the food in villagers' homes.

They dropped dead in the streets, lay dying and rotting in their houses, and some women became so desperate for food that they ate their own children.

...

So terrible was the famine that Igor Yukhnovsky, director of the Institute of National Memory, the Ukrainian institution researching the Holodomor, believes as many as nine million may have died.

For decades the disaster remained a state secret, denied by Stalin and his Soviet government and concealed from the outside world with the help of the 'useful idiots' - as Lenin called Soviet sympathisers in the West.

Russia is furious that Ukraine has raised the issue of the famine: the swaggering 21st-century state of Prime Minister Putin and President Medvedev see this as nationalist chicanery designed to promote Ukraine, which may soon join Nato and the EU.

...


The Ukraine was the bread basket of Russia, but the Great Famine of 1932/3 was not just aimed at the Ukrainians as a nation - it was a deliberate policy aimed at the entire Soviet peasant population - Russian, Ukrainian and Kazakh - especially better-off, small-time farmers.

It was a class war designed to 'break the back of the peasantry', a war of the cities against the countryside and, unlike the Holocaust, it was not designed to eradicate an ethnic people, but to shatter their independent spirit.

So while it may not be a formal case of genocide, it does, indeed, rank as one of the most terrible crimes of the 20th century.

...

Stalin called the peasants 'saboteurs' and declared it 'a fight to the death! These people deliberately tried to sabotage the Soviet stage'.

Between four and five million died in Ukraine, a million died in Kazakhstan and another million in the north Caucasus and the Volga.

By 1933, 5.7 million households - somewhere between ten million and 15 million people - had vanished. They had been deported, shot or died of starvation.

As for Stalin, he emerged more ruthless, more paranoid, more isolated than before.

Stalin later told Winston Churchill that this was the most difficult time of his entire life, harder even than Hitler's invasion.

'It was a terrible struggle' in which he had 'to destroy ten million. It was fearful. Four years it lasted - but it was absolutely necessary'.

Only in the mind of a brutal dictator could the mass murder of his own people be considered 'necessary'.

Whether it was genocide or not, perhaps now the true nature of one of the worst crimes in history will finally be acknowledged.


Read the complete article here.

and

The Other Holocaust

If you are interested in Stalin, you can read " The Great White Purge." It's a very large book about what Stalin did to his perceived enemies. He was insane as was Hitler and the rest of them.

Another thing that you might be interested in- Some of our top economists during the great depression thought communism and Stalin were great, they even traveled to Russia to see how things were coming along over there. Many were advisors to FDR during the depression. They liked him and thought he had the right idea about nationalizing everything. Pretty scary. They turned on him though when they became aware of the goulogs and the starvation of the citizens in the Ukraine. Read, " A Forgotten Man." for that information.
 
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Yet another reason why I often tell people the USA didn't 'really' win WWII and we wern't 'the good guys' but just one of many self interested nations at war.

We did not win World War 11??? Seems to me that if we didn't win World War 11 we would all be speaking German by now.:lol::lol: Those of us that are left anyway.:lol:
To "win" WWII, one would have had to enforce the pact which drew the west into it in the first place, which was to guarantee Poland sovereignty.

By that measure the west lost and the Poles got royally screwed.
 
Yet another reason why I often tell people the USA didn't 'really' win WWII and we wern't 'the good guys' but just one of many self interested nations at war.

We did not win World War 11??? Seems to me that if we didn't win World War 11 we would all be speaking German by now.:lol::lol: Those of us that are left anyway.:lol:
To "win" WWII, one would have had to enforce the pact which drew the west into it in the first place, which was to guarantee Poland sovereignty.

By that measure the west lost and the Poles got royally screwed.

We did. Poland was a country after WW2 and took over much German territory in the process.
 
Except Stalin was an adversary of the U.S. after the war.

After the war? How much after the war, was it when the Roosevelt and Truman administrations were hiring and promoting known Soviet agents?


Alger Hiss was President Roosevelt's right hand man.

The major player in the Alger Hiss saga was fellow Communist, Whitaker Chambers. In his book, Witness, Chambers explains is disillusionment as follows. In 1938, he determined not only to break with the Communist Party, but to inform on the Party when he could. The reason was that he was informed that Stalin was making efforts to align with Hitler, in 1939, and “from any human point of view, the pact was evil.”

As Hitler marched into Poland, Chambers arranged a private meeting with Adolf Berle, President Roosevelt’s assistant Sec’y of State. Chambers detailed the Communist espionage network, naming at least two dozen Soviet spies in Roosevelt’s administration, including Alger Hiss. Berle reported this to Roosevelt, who laughed, and told Berle to go f--- himself. (Arthur Herman, Joseph McCarthy: Reexaming the Life and Legacy of America’s Most Hated Senator, p. 60) No action was taken, and in fact, Roosevelt promoted Hiss.

Almost a decade later, Chambers was called before the HUAC and named Hiss as a Soviet agent. Hiss sued Chambers, at which time Chambers presented “… four notes in Alger Hiss's handwriting, sixty-five typewritten copies of State Department documents and five strips of microfilm, some of which contained photographs of State Department documents. The press came to call these the "Pumpkin Papers"(Whittaker Chambers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) And, of course, all doubt was removed in 1995, when the Venona Soviet cables were decrypted.

President Roosevelt laughed off the charges against Hiss. Dean Acheson, then undersecretary of Treasury, not only vouched for Hiss and his brother, Donald, also charged by Whitaker, but Acheson immediately requested Donald as his assistant. Right on cue, the press vilified HUAC for persecuting Hiss. President Truman denounced the Hiss investigation as a “red herring” by do-nothing Republicans (Whitaker Chambers, Witness, p. 564-74)

Felix Frankfurter and Adlai Stevenson offered to be character witnesses for Hiss. (McCarthy began referring to Stevenson as ‘Alger Stevenson.’) Eleanor Roosevelt said she believed Hiss. But the American public listened to the hearings, and they believed Chambers: a Gallup poll found 4 out of 5 supported the HUAC.(Alan Weinstein, Perjury, p. 58) And the poll included 71% of Democrats who also agreed- just not the Democrat Party!

And, of course, the NYTimes received a Pulizer Prize for assuring the American public that the Ukrainian holocaust never happened.
Prize Specime by Andrew Stuttaford on National Review Online
 
In the spirit of the no party...
Why is Obama not doing his job and saving these people?!?!?! Oh wait, it happened a long time ago... oh... I STILL BLAME OBAMA!!!

On a more serious note, why wasn't this something I learned in high school history? It seems like a pretty big damn deal.
 
In the spirit of the no party...
Why is Obama not doing his job and saving these people?!?!?! Oh wait, it happened a long time ago... oh... I STILL BLAME OBAMA!!!

On a more serious note, why wasn't this something I learned in high school history? It seems like a pretty big damn deal.

You didn't learn about it because if they taught you about it, you would see that socialism ends in death and destruction. Then you would be less inclined to vote for people who are socialists. Perhaps you should find out where these policies have led in the past - so you don't help repeat these mistakes in the present. Try finding out about the Weimar Republic.

Weimar Republic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Don't use wiki as fact though, go read a few books or something - and try and get books that represent various view points.
 

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