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I hate to tell you this but Christianity is a religion based on human sacrifice. It stopped at one but it was a human sacrifice nonetheless.What about slavery? The Christian god did not say slavery was a moral sin so would you condone slavery today?
You need to look at the Bible in context. For example, when God asked Abraham to sacrifice his son to him, on the surface, this looks immoral and insane. However, if you consider the fact that all pagan religions during that time involved child sacrifice, you would realize that Abraham would not have been shocked by the request. No, it was just business as usual. However, God stops Abraham from sacrificing his son, sending the message to him and the rest of the world that the God of Abraham was different than the pagan gods.
Put in this context, the request was a moral one so as to stop future child infanticide.
As for slavery, what does the Bible say about slavery? In ancient times, slavery was business as usual. But like child sacrifice, God attempted to bring the world up out of slavery as well as child sacrifice to the gods. First, we see Moses delivering the people of Israel from slavery, a clear indication that God views slavery as bad. God then tells the to honor the Sabbath, even slaves within the Hebrew nation, a clear indication that even slaves needed one full day of rest to contemplate their existence rather than being worked into the grave. God then allowed provisions for slaves to be freed about every 7 years, implying again that slavery is bad. Slavery from a Biblical view was a way for people to survive when down and out. You had no tribe to help sustain you in hard times, or family, then you worked for food for a number of years until you were freed and could figure things out. It was not like slavery in the South where people were treated like glorified apes and worked into the grave because they were racially inferior.
That is incorrect.You have to be 18 to vote. No morality just an age limit.
You have to be a US citizen to vote. No morality just a birth requirement
You have to be 16 to get a driver's license again just an age requirement
You have to pay sales tax no morals just a revenue stream
You have to be 35 to run for president no morality
So you think that the repeated rape of a child cannot be objectively quantified as "bad"? That that judgement must come from a divine source?I do not believe morality can be a science because it cannot be objectively quantified or tested. It is and always will be subjectively based.
Nothing to do with morals as I defined them in the OPThat is incorrect.
1. You must be an adult to vote. This is because a vote that is uneducated is deemed "bad".
2. Being a US citizen is required because you don't want other countries voting you out of existence. China would vote Xi as the US President if they could vote in the US. That was deemed bad.
3. Again, having children drive is deemed dangerous.
4. Taxation is deemed good because a government has been deemed good and requires money to function.
5. The age thing again. Yea, we covered that.
Try again.
I don't question the fact that certain religions burned their opponents, much like I don't question that the Jewish religious Sanhedrin nailed Jesus to a cross.No the burning of heretics was religious morality in action
You get to define morals? Since when?Nothing to do with morals as I defined them in the OP
I'd say "don't be stupid," but why bother.The only way to serve an all knowing and all-powerful God is through faith because only he has all the answers. Obviously, God does not demand it because you have none.
As for Marx, he would be appalled at the horrific history of Marxism. I really believe that, but the ideology appeals to murderous tyrants because just having a chance at working requires absolute control by the state. That is why they are all drawn to it like a moth to the light, Even Hitler called himself a socialist.
But at the end of the day, they don't give a damn about any ideology, just power, which is why they all break certain tenants of Marxism. But rubes like yourself insist that Marxism just needs to be done right to work, which it never will be as you support future Marxists.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
Wrong. Property rights are fundamentalWrong.
property rights have nothing to do with the argument.
Stop your temper tantrum and look at the facts.First, you are a liar.
Second, your "source" doesn't mention Buddhists
Third, sell books on Amazon
Forth, you are still a liar
Show me a single started so Buddhism could spread.
Show me a group tortured and murdered for refusing to accept Buddhism.
Be stupid if you wish but when you're stupid I will point your stupidity out, STUIPID.
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Many believers in scientism have concluded that ridding the earth of “undesirables“ was necessary to increase mankind’s overall well being. I gave you a list. Here are two more: Ernst Haeckel and Lothrop Stoddard.How does killing someone increase the quality of their well being?
Christians burned people at the stake all in the name of your god. Do you condone that?
And that fact that some Christians worked against slavery is just proof that they didn't accept what the bible and their god said about slavery. IOW they chose a better path of morality than the god of the bible.
But then again just as many Christians used the bible to excuse their participation in the slave trade.
You don't think it can be agreed upon that some things are better for the well being of people than other things?
Can we agree that the repeated rape of a child is detrimental using the science of medicine, our knowledge of mental health and human development?
Can we agree that stoning people to death for not observing the Sabbath is the better course of action regardless what the bible says?
And again the fact that people don't kill people for not observing the Sabbath is a choice made outside of the divine moral decrees in the Bible shows that people have chosen what they believe is a better way than the one their god dictated to them.
So instead of cherry picking biblical morals why not just realize that we are more than capable of setting our own?
Certain religions? Try Christian religions you know the religion you think has the authority on morality.I don't question the fact that certain religions burned their opponents, much like I don't question that the Jewish religious Sanhedrin nailed Jesus to a cross.
Again, the politics of men is what causes such pain and death. Neither the Catholic church nor the Sanhedrin gave a damn about people coming to God, it was all about their worldly power all along.
I do not deny though that you have cult members who join these religions who think they are doing the will of God in the process. Saint Paul, for example, thought that when he murdered Christians, he was doing the work of God, until the road to Damascus where God splained things to him.
The Bible says that the god of this world is satan. That is why Christ never ran for political office, and when the people tried to make him a wordily king after feeding them and healing them, he abandoned them.
God's kingdom is not of this world system, nor can be.
The Founding Fathers were wise to disallow the state to control the church like they did in England.
But today, the Leftists Pope gives sermons on the evils of climate change and building walls rather than the gospel, as he is more concerned bout worldly politics than the affairs of God.
Some things never change.
How many?Many believers in scientism have concluded that ridding the earth of “undesirables“ was necessary to increase mankind’s overall well being. I gave you a list. Here are two more: Ernst Haeckel and Lothrop Stoddard.
You seem to dislike Judaism rather than Christianity. You’ll find most of the passages about stoning and enslaving are in the Old Testament. Of course for Christians the New Testament is paramount. Christ famously opposed stoning the woman caught in adultery.
And why did you ignore all my questions?
Please tell me precisely which animals are “conscious beings”. And when exactly does a child in her mother’s womb become conscious?
And what exactly is “well being”? Is it the absence of suffering? Is it achievement? Is it hedonism?
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Wrong. Property rights are fundamental
Because the first hungry person that comes along, is going to steal your food.
We're not dealing with science, we're dealing with human nature. Illogical, capricious, barely predictable except in the sense that we're apex predators.
Christ is seen universally as someone who came from God. There is no other religious leader like him in that regard. Everyone wants a piece of him it seems.Certain religions? Try Christian religions you know the religion you think has the authority on morality.
And if your god's kingdom is not of this world then why is you you think that god is the moral authority on this world?
I don't see how the way we humans treat each other is any affair of any gods.
No he isn't. Words mean things and there is no "universal" agreement on Jesus.Christ is seen universally as someone who came from God. There is no other religious leader like him in that regard. Everyone wants a piece of him it seems.
But when he walked the earth, he was abandoned and left to die on a cross due to the satanic influence upon world leaders.
WOW.Stop your temper tantrum and look at the facts.
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It is my contention that morality is an undeveloped scientific discipline.
It is absolutely possible to construct a moral framework using reason and the scientific method alone. There is no need to surrender the study of morality to religions especially when the divine morals of the many gods are questionable at best.
Couldn't agree moreIt is my contention that morality is an undeveloped scientific discipline.
Again, agree. But I suspect it will prove to be subtle and difficult.It is absolutely possible to construct a moral framework using reason and the scientific method alone. There is no need to surrender the study of morality to religions especially when the divine morals of the many gods are questionable at best.
At the risk of indulging Darwinist reductionism, I'd define it as: social behaviors that promote the success of the group that adopts them.If we define a moral framework as a system of laws that maximize the well being of conscious beings on this planet we can choose the best ways to do that.
It can. But we should tread carefully. I think they will be lots of unintended consequences. It will be similar to "fixing" nature.Medicine, psychology, neuroscience, sociology and other disciplines can be used to explore and question the subject of morality and I will state that we have been doing this ever since humans have been alive on this earth.
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If other scientific disciplines can transcend religion and cultures why can't the discipline of morality?
It can.
