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Most moderates describe themselves as fiscally conservative and socially moderate to liberal.
My brother is a "conservative". We have decided to avoid discussing politics at family gatherings in order to keep things pleasant. He struggles with this, however.
Yesterday, my daughter.....who is his favoriite niece, was talking about a freind of hers who recently passed away after a half-year fight with cancer. She told him that she heard that we would probably find a cure for cancer before long.....expressing hope for the future.
Well, he exclaimed, " I hope not".
My daughter was rocked. She asked him why he felt that way. Her voice trembled.
He said that we don't have enough money to support our population as it is and we can't afford to have cancer cured.
Not sure things will ever be the same between them.
So now you attribute that view of your brother to every Conservative?
Miraculously, the "War on Women" (TM) just stopped within the last month and a half.I am not a Romney fan nor did I vote for him; typical RINO
But the Democrats were very successful in painting a false picture of him and his policies.
Romney defies that label; he was - depending on who he thought was listening - a conservative, a liberal or pragmatic (moderate). He was always a Plutocrat.
I very much agree with that description....but, when he governed...his track record was very socially liberal.
AND he was overwhelming the choice of Republican moderates.
They, more than anyone else, are responsible for his nomination.
To come back and say "well, moderates didn't vote for this guy over Obama...and that's you social conservatives fault." is hypocrisy of the highest order.
And that's where this whole argument falls apart.
The Moderates got exactly what and who they wanted.
How exactly is that being "excluded from the party"?
And that's why the GOP won't go for another moderate. 2016 could be like 2008 in reverse.
Next, math. According to FoxNews exit polls, moderates were 45% of the electorate in the 2012 Presidential election and voted for Obama over Romney, 56% to 41%. With 130 million Americans voting, that is a deficit of nearly 9 million voters. Obama beat Romney by 5 million votes.
Romney WAS a moderate.
This fact tumbles the RINO house of cards...and should steer the conversation in an entirely different direction.
Romney ran on
- cutting taxes
- cutting spending
- increasing defense spending
- closer ties with Israel and a more hard line on Iran
- repeal Obamacare
He also picked as his running mate the guy whose signature item is a radical restructuring of Medicare designed to limit spending on healthcare.
What was moderate about that? That may look moderate to the far right but it looks conservative to everyone else.
I very much agree with that description....but, when he governed...his track record was very socially liberal.
AND he was overwhelming the choice of Republican moderates.
They, more than anyone else, are responsible for his nomination.
To come back and say "well, moderates didn't vote for this guy over Obama...and that's you social conservatives fault." is hypocrisy of the highest order.
And that's where this whole argument falls apart.
The Moderates got exactly what and who they wanted.
How exactly is that being "excluded from the party"?
And that's why the GOP won't go for another moderate. 2016 could be like 2008 in reverse.
I hope so. Do you see anyone on the horizon you like?
Here in Wisconsin democrats can vote in republican primaries. Not sure how many other states are like that but, there's your answer.I very much agree with that description....but, when he governed...his track record was very socially liberal.
AND he was overwhelming the choice of Republican moderates.
They, more than anyone else, are responsible for his nomination.
To come back and say "well, moderates didn't vote for this guy over Obama...and that's you social conservatives fault." is hypocrisy of the highest order.
And that's where this whole argument falls apart.
The Moderates got exactly what and who they wanted.
How exactly is that being "excluded from the party"?
And that's why the GOP won't go for another moderate. 2016 could be like 2008 in reverse.
The GOP can't even get Republicans to vote for a strict conservative. How do they expect to get all of America to vote for them?
I voted for Romney.
Unfortunately the Republican right wing have turned into cry baby mama's boys that stay home if they do not get their way on EVERY issue.
Romney defies that label; he was - depending on who he thought was listening - a conservative, a liberal or pragmatic (moderate). He was always a Plutocrat.
I very much agree with that description....but, when he governed...his track record was very socially liberal.
AND he was overwhelming the choice of Republican moderates.
They, more than anyone else, are responsible for his nomination.
To come back and say "well, moderates didn't vote for this guy over Obama...and that's you social conservatives fault." is hypocrisy of the highest order.
And that's where this whole argument falls apart.
The Moderates got exactly what and who they wanted.
How exactly is that being "excluded from the party"?
And that's why the GOP won't go for another moderate. 2016 could be like 2008 in reverse.
And that's why the GOP won't go for another moderate. 2016 could be like 2008 in reverse.
I hope so. Do you see anyone on the horizon you like?
No.
What the Republicans need is a Reaganesque type of individual who is a real conservative.
As soon as the RNC picked Romney to be their candidate; I knew Obama would win the election.
What the Republicans need is a Reaganesque type of individual who is a real conservative.
And who is a true leader and flag bearer of conservative views and values.
Next, math. According to FoxNews exit polls, moderates were 45% of the electorate in the 2012 Presidential election and voted for Obama over Romney, 56% to 41%. With 130 million Americans voting, that is a deficit of nearly 9 million voters. Obama beat Romney by 5 million votes.
Romney WAS a moderate.
This fact tumbles the RINO house of cards...and should steer the conversation in an entirely different direction.
Romney ran on
- cutting taxes
- cutting spending
- increasing defense spending
- closer ties with Israel and a more hard line on Iran
- repeal Obamacare
He also picked as his running mate the guy whose signature item is a radical restructuring of Medicare designed to limit spending on healthcare.
What was moderate about that? That may look moderate to the far right but it looks conservative to everyone else.
Romney WAS a moderate.
This fact tumbles the RINO house of cards...and should steer the conversation in an entirely different direction.
Romney ran on
- cutting taxes
- cutting spending
- increasing defense spending
- closer ties with Israel and a more hard line on Iran
- repeal Obamacare
He also picked as his running mate the guy whose signature item is a radical restructuring of Medicare designed to limit spending on healthcare.
What was moderate about that? That may look moderate to the far right but it looks conservative to everyone else.
That's it? That's how low you set the bar?
What the Republicans need is a Reaganesque type of individual who is a real conservative.
Was Reagan a "real conservative" by the current definition?
Romney WAS a moderate.
This fact tumbles the RINO house of cards...and should steer the conversation in an entirely different direction.
Romney ran on
- cutting taxes
- cutting spending
- increasing defense spending
- closer ties with Israel and a more hard line on Iran
- repeal Obamacare
He also picked as his running mate the guy whose signature item is a radical restructuring of Medicare designed to limit spending on healthcare.
What was moderate about that? That may look moderate to the far right but it looks conservative to everyone else.
That's it? That's how low you set the bar?
What the Republicans need is a Reaganesque type of individual who is a real conservative.
Was Reagan a "real conservative" by the current definition?
