The right's hatred for Obama: If it isn't "race", then what is it?

[daveman]

You personally not liking policies is not an explanation of the level of contempt against this particular President. The policies you have just mentioned are hardly radical. In fact, the first two are recycled Republican ideas. C4C was lauded as an overwhelming success across the political spectrum.

All of that is not really the point. There is a disrespect for the office that has not been seen by other Presidents, including ones that governed to the left of Obama.

Why?

Disrespect for the office? No.

Disrespect for the man? Hardly unprecedented. Were you asleep during the Bush Administration?

Not the same. Disrespect for Bush, absolutely. Rampant, nearly ubiquitous and well deserved.

HOWEVER. Not in such a public sphere. You didn't have POLITICIANS shouting out "YOU LIE" during his address of Congress. You didn't have POLITICIANS sticking a finger in his face and shouting at him in public. You didn't have REPORTERS (Eg Oreilly) interrupting him and attempting to steer his answers during an interview.

It's the President for Christs sake. You don't do this kind of shit. You show a dignified level of respect for the office.

...but only when he's a Democrat.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Why do...ignore the right when the they say it's because of his policies?

Maybe it's because normal adults know that people do NOT always say what they mean?

People do not always say what they mean, especially when they think it is uncouth or will be frowned upon by the rest of society.

People use code words and phrases, just ask Ken Mehlman

USATODAY.com - GOP: 'We were wrong' to play racial politics

"Some Republicans gave up on winning the African-American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization," Mehlman said at the annual convention of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. "I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."

oh brother....yes, that it's.

I hope you aren't taking the position that the right and what Pat Buchanan calls the 'hard' left, do not use coded phrases.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwog6E08CFU]Obama and the National Anthem - YouTube[/ame]

That did it for me.

 

[Meister]

I don't like Obamacare
Translation: Obama is half black.

I don't like Cap and trade
Translation: Obama is half black

I didn't like Cash 4 Clunkers
Translation: Obama is half black

You personally not liking policies is not an explanation of the level of contempt against this particular President. The policies you have just mentioned are hardly radical. In fact, the first two are recycled Republican ideas. C4C was lauded as an overwhelming success across the political spectrum.

All of that is not really the point. There is a disrespect for the office that has not been seen by other Presidents, including ones that governed to the left of Obama.

Why?

You must have forgot about "Death of a President" film. I'm sure it was an oversight on your behalf as were these pictures:

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How many protests from the right have there been with posters referring to killing or hanging president Obama?

 

[rightwinger]

I don't think they hate him because of his race

They hate him because he is a Democrat. If anything, Obamas race has created an invisible line that Republicans dare not cross. If given the chance, there are many worse things that Republicans would be saying or doing but they can't for fear of being labeled racist

Republicans were much worse in their treatment of Bill Clinton. Clinton had a thriving economy but Republicans still kept him tied up in investigations for seven years. As bad as they are towards Michelle, they were much worse with Hillary

If Hillary had been elected, the Republicans would have run their playbook unchecked and would have treated her much worse than they treat Obama

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Why do...ignore the right when the they say it's because of his policies?

Maybe it's because normal adults know that people do NOT always say what they mean?

People do not always say what they mean, especially when they think it is uncouth or will be frowned upon by the rest of society.

People use code words and phrases, just ask Ken Mehlman

USATODAY.com - GOP: 'We were wrong' to play racial politics

"Some Republicans gave up on winning the African-American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization," Mehlman said at the annual convention of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. "I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."

Thank Gaea we have leftists to tell us what people mean.

And I'm sure it's just coincidence that leftists interpret what people say as to mean things that serve the leftist agenda.

My Dearest Wingnut, if this were about the hard left, I'd say the very same thing. The left uses coded phrases just as teh right does.

And right here at LunaticFringe USMB, as well as any media outlet, we have right wingers and conservatives telling us what others mean when they say things.

geesh, at least post your crap in a way that resembles integrity and honesty

 

[Liability]

Maybe it's because normal adults know that people do NOT always say what they mean?

People do not always say what they mean, especially when they think it is uncouth or will be frowned upon by the rest of society.

People use code words and phrases, just ask Ken Mehlman

USATODAY.com - GOP: 'We were wrong' to play racial politics

"Some Republicans gave up on winning the African-American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization," Mehlman said at the annual convention of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. "I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."

Thank Gaea we have leftists to tell us what people mean.

And I'm sure it's just coincidence that leftists interpret what people say as to mean things that serve the leftist agenda.

My Dearest Wingnut, if this were about the hard left, I'd say the very same thing. The left uses coded phrases just as teh right does.

And right here at LunaticFringe USMB, as well as any media outlet, we have right wingers and conservatives telling us what others mean when they say things.

geesh, at least post your crap in a way that resembles integrity and honesty

Guys like Dainty "see" what they expect to see. If they "see" what THEY consider to be a coded phrase from a person with whom they disagree, they jump to the conclusion that it must be so.

In reality, of course, some folks DO use coded words and phrases. So, sometimes, when you think you are picking up on such stuff, you actually may have a valid point.

But, other times, when you imagine that somebody is using some coded word or phrase, you are actually just imagining things.

Dainty has every right to judge, of course. But his judgment doesn't come with ANY hint of credibility or guarantee accuracy.

 

[Cuyo]

Disrespect for the office? No.

Disrespect for the man? Hardly unprecedented. Were you asleep during the Bush Administration?

Not the same. Disrespect for Bush, absolutely. Rampant, nearly ubiquitous and well deserved.

HOWEVER. Not in such a public sphere. You didn't have POLITICIANS shouting out "YOU LIE" during his address of Congress. You didn't have POLITICIANS sticking a finger in his face and shouting at him in public. You didn't have REPORTERS (Eg Oreilly) interrupting him and attempting to steer his answers during an interview.

It's the President for Christs sake. You don't do this kind of shit. You show a dignified level of respect for the office.

You can't even accept that the left dis'ed the president during Bush's administration?
I guess you're partisan to your beliefs...it's ok, I understand.

Okaaaaaaaaaaaay...

So did you like, even read my post, or did you just go ahead and respond to what you thought I was gonna say?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Thank Gaea we have leftists to tell us what people mean.

And I'm sure it's just coincidence that leftists interpret what people say as to mean things that serve the leftist agenda.

I don't like Obamacare
Translation: Obama is half black.

I don't like Cap and trade
Translation: Obama is half black

I didn't like Cash 4 Clunkers
Translation: Obama is half black

How about it, Derp, Dante? Correct translation?

Derp?

When people stick to issues, fine. What is disturbing with some criicisms of Obama is the level of animosity (like that shown to W. by leftist haters) thrown at Obama foir positions he has that were supported by conservatives only a few years back.

When personal attacks (the rantings and ravings of the hysterical fringe) are thrown at the President along with criticisms of his policies, curious and honest people step back and try to figure out what is driving the lunacy.

Problem here @ USMB is many conservatives try to distance themselves from conservative leaders like Pat Buchanan whenever race comes up.

 

[daveman]

Maybe it's because normal adults know that people do NOT always say what they mean?

People do not always say what they mean, especially when they think it is uncouth or will be frowned upon by the rest of society.

People use code words and phrases, just ask Ken Mehlman

USATODAY.com - GOP: 'We were wrong' to play racial politics

"Some Republicans gave up on winning the African-American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization," Mehlman said at the annual convention of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. "I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."

Thank Gaea we have leftists to tell us what people mean.

And I'm sure it's just coincidence that leftists interpret what people say as to mean things that serve the leftist agenda.

My Dearest Wingnut, if this were about the hard left, I'd say the very same thing. The left uses coded phrases just as teh right does.

And right here at LunaticFringe USMB, as well as any media outlet, we have right wingers and conservatives telling us what others mean when they say things.

geesh, at least post your crap in a way that resembles integrity and honesty

I do. Maybe I should post like you do instead.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Disrespect for the office? No.

Disrespect for the man? Hardly unprecedented. Were you asleep during the Bush Administration?

two wrongs always make a rightie right

 

[daveman]

I don't like Obamacare
Translation: Obama is half black.

I don't like Cap and trade
Translation: Obama is half black

I didn't like Cash 4 Clunkers
Translation: Obama is half black

How about it, Derp, Dante? Correct translation?

Derp?

When people stick to issues, fine. What is disturbing with some criicisms of Obama is the level of animosity (like that shown to W. by leftist haters) thrown at Obama foir positions he has that were supported by conservatives only a few years back.

When personal attacks (the rantings and ravings of the hysterical fringe) are thrown at the President along with criticisms of his policies, curious and honest people step back and try to figure out what is driving the lunacy.

Problem here @ USMB is many conservatives try to distance themselves from conservative leaders like Pat Buchanan whenever race comes up.

The problem here at USMB is leftist retards telling conservatives who their leaders are.

 

[Meister]

Not the same. Disrespect for Bush, absolutely. Rampant, nearly ubiquitous and well deserved.

HOWEVER. Not in such a public sphere. You didn't have POLITICIANS shouting out "YOU LIE" during his address of Congress. You didn't have POLITICIANS sticking a finger in his face and shouting at him in public. You didn't have REPORTERS (Eg Oreilly) interrupting him and attempting to steer his answers during an interview.

It's the President for Christs sake. You don't do this kind of shit. You show a dignified level of respect for the office.

You can't even accept that the left dis'ed the president during Bush's administration?
I guess you're partisan to your beliefs...it's ok, I understand.

Okaaaaaaaaaaaay...

So did you like, even read my post, or did you just go ahead and respond to what you thought I was gonna say?

Seems to me that dis'ing Bush in the manors they did was dis'ing the office. What's the difference....the only thing I see is that when it's a lefty thing, it's dis'ing the office and when it's a righty thing, it's only dis'ing the man.
Level of respect for the office? I laugh at your remark about that, Cuyo.

 

[daveman]

Disrespect for the office? No.

Disrespect for the man? Hardly unprecedented. Were you asleep during the Bush Administration?

two wrongs always make a rightie right

It's funny when you pretend you're not a leftist partisan hack. You do it so badly.

 

[Liability]

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Problem here @ USMB is many conservatives try to distance themselves from conservative leaders like Pat Buchanan whenever race comes up.

Why is that a "problem?"

Is there some requirement that we have to cozy up to the views of a conservative alleged leader even if we disagree with some of his views?

Damn US Mail. I never got the memo.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I have a question for you Dean.

During previous administrations what weapons did you use against everyone when race couldn't be used?

Clinton
Carter
Reed
Mccaskel
Gore
Reed
Pelosi

Etc....

Or are you just a one trick pony?

 

[Cuyo]

You can't even accept that the left dis'ed the president during Bush's administration?
I guess you're partisan to your beliefs...it's ok, I understand.

Okaaaaaaaaaaaay...

So did you like, even read my post, or did you just go ahead and respond to what you thought I was gonna say?

Seems to me that dis'ing Bush in the manors they did was dis'ing the office. What's the difference....the only thing I see is that when it's a lefty thing, it's dis'ing the office and when it's a righty thing, it's only dis'ing the man.
Level of respect for the office? I laugh at your remark about that, Cuyo.

Yes, I'm well aware that your notions are preconceived and there's little to no chance of me reaching you in any meaningful way.

But the fact remains that you still haven't addressed the post at all.

You're talking about private malcontents that reamed out Bush non-stop, which I stipulated. You haven't addressed the broad daylight contempt shown to Obama by actual people of authority.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Maybe I should post like you do instead.

If you did you'd have more self respect. Dante posts on many levels. If you stood back a bit you'd see where the lines are.

Being serious and honest is not always desirable on an internet forum, as the audience at any given time is only worthy of a return in-kind of what it posts.

I did not vote for Obama for a variety of reason, one of which was his inexperience in a time of crisis. One reason I will probably vote for him this time is the same principle - experience.

Romney had my attention as I lived in MA when he was guv and was a Democrat 4 Kerry Healey, his Lt. Gov. Romney lost any serious consideration when he appeared on stage taking the support (whoring) from Donald Trump. I can never erase that pathetic attempt to do anything to win including ingratiating oneself with a first class creep on stage during a Presidential election.

If Romney took the endorsement away from a press conference, he'd still have me listening and leaning towards him.

see?

 

[Pheonixops]

We've asked the right wing to explain their hatred for Obama. They've pretty much given up on it because when they attempt to assign a reason, it comes across as "ridiculous".

We hate him because he's a "Muslim". They've stopped saying that because it uncovers their religious intolerance. We know he's not a Muslim. So we don't really hear that too much anymore. Besides, he took out most of al Qaeda and Bin Laden after Republicans let Bin Laden go and stopped looking for him.

We hate him because he's "Communist/Fascist/Marxist" which shows the right doesn't understand the meaning of those words.

We hate him because he went to a church where a preacher said "God Damn America". In context, the preacher saying God damn America is what will happen if we don't follow God's scripture, which puts him in agreement with at least 85% of Republicans.

We hate him because he barely know's Bill Ayers, a man who blew up an office while protesting the Vietnam war. Wow, how could one man cause so much damage? Oh wait, ask Timothy McVeigh. And Ayers did it when Obama was 8 years old, which proves he was "in on it". Funnier still, they both worked at the Annenberg Foundation, a right wing, conservative foundation, but on separate boards. They rarely met. But there has to be "something". There just has to be. There has to.

We hate him because he is pulling out of Iraq/he stayed in Iraq - I wish they would make up their minds.

We hate him because he increased the national debt. Bush and the Republicans passed an enormous tax cut targeting the rich DURING A TIME OF WAR which passed through that "reconciliation" they seem to hate so much. They passed a "drugs for votes" bill again through reconciliation, Bush did nothing after Katrina, never included the cost of either war in his budgets, thereby making incredible lies to the American people about the cost of the wars. Republicans know that Obama couldn't just "end" Bush policies, they know it doesn't work that way, yet they still accuse him of following the worst Bush policies, which of course, were ALL Bush policies.

They hate him for his stimulus package. Over a hundred Republicans took stimulus money and created thousands of jobs. Republicans like to pretend that once the railroad is build, there are no more jobs. Except now, goods can be transported and workers can work from farther away. The same for bridges and roads and broadband.

They hate him for saving the auto industry. Imagine where we would be without that entire industry.

None of these reasons make sense. As hard as they try to spin Obama's success into failure, it's hollow. Too unbelievable. Look how hard they tried to suggest that Obama only got Bin Laden because of the Republican failed policies of torture. John McCain shot that down. That and the tape of Bush insisting he doesn't think about Bin Laden any more. I believe Bush.

So why all the hate? Could the Republican Party being 90% white and based in the Confederate South have anything to do with it?

Many of the most racist pics were used by Republicans for mass mailouts during the campaign. Of course, they said, "Oh, we're sorry", which of course, didn't stop them from doing it again.

One has to wonder, have the Republicans convinced themselves it's not about race?

Excellent, post, excellent points, and certainly RIGHT ON THE MONEY!

 

[Meister]

Okaaaaaaaaaaaay...

So did you like, even read my post, or did you just go ahead and respond to what you thought I was gonna say?

Seems to me that dis'ing Bush in the manors they did was dis'ing the office. What's the difference....the only thing I see is that when it's a lefty thing, it's dis'ing the office and when it's a righty thing, it's only dis'ing the man.
Level of respect for the office? I laugh at your remark about that, Cuyo.

Yes, I'm well aware that your notions are preconceived and there's little to no chance of me reaching you in any meaningful way.

But the fact remains that you still haven't addressed the post at all.

You're talking about private malcontents that reamed out Bush non-stop, which I stipulated. You haven't addressed the broad daylight contempt shown to Obama by actual people of authority.

And this is your fail, Cuyo. Since when does the "actual people of authority" not have the same rights that "private malcontents" have? Please show me a law or a written rule for that. Please get back to me with that and I will apologize to you.