Psychoblues said:Viet Nam, for a start.
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Psychoblues said:Viet Nam, for a start.
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Avatar4321 said:So let me get this straight... You are upset that the Republicans refuse to see that we entered Vietnam under false allegations and false pretenses?
Vietnam was over 30+ years ago. And the war was started by Democrats. It was also ended by Democrat cowards in the house who refused to support the treaty we signed and ended up giving southeast asia to the communist killers. Fabulous policy.
What I can dig is that, after the Vietnam War ended, the Vietnamese communists tried to export communism to their neighbors and succeeded in the case of Cambodia (remember Pol Pot?). Also, a lot of Vietnamese were "re-educated" by their communist countrymen, many didn't survive.Psychoblues said:Nope, you don't have it straight and I don't have the time or interest to give you all the details. I suggest you do some reading on "Viet Nam". You can Google it and get years of reading. But to summarize it all, I can tell you that "The Viet Nam War" was misunderstood, an American tactical and strategic error and politically disastrous for them and us. Can you dig it?
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KarlMarx said:What I can dig is that, after the Vietnam War ended, the Vietnamese communists tried to export communism to their neighbors and succeeded in the case of Cambodia (remember Pol Pot?). Also, a lot of Vietnamese were "re-educated" by their communist countrymen, many didn't survive.
More people died AFTER the Vietnam war ended that during the entire war.
Psychoblues said:Have you forgotten? Or maybe you just conviently overlooked it. The Viet Nam War was inherited by Democrats from the very Republican Eisenhower Administration. I don't fault you for that, many Americans just don't realize that absolute fact. We didn't enter Viet Nam in 1960, we interjected ourselves in 1954. Do you remember who was president at that time? JFK tried his best to save American face and LBJ continued until his demise the same. Republicans can't get over all that. Democrats trying to save the face of Republican idiocies. What a hoot!!!!!!!!
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As far as the people that died after the war in Viet Nam are concerned, are you more concerned with them or the powers that denied them thier freedom to live? Americans tried in vain to save them. We were ordered to leave by a Republican President as he promised in order to get himself elected. This gets really convoluted. I suggest you read up on all of it and give us your summation of events as you see them.
Psychoblues said:Nope, you don't have it straight and I don't have the time or interest to give you all the details. I suggest you do some reading on "Viet Nam". You can Google it and get years of reading. But to summarize it all, I can tell you that "The Viet Nam War" was misunderstood, an American tactical and strategic error and politically disastrous for them and us. Can you dig it?
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Avatar4321 said:There was nothing wrong with Vietname strategically and tactically. Pulling out of Vietnam was the mistake. Leaving millions of people to be killed by communists was the mistake. Letting armchair politicians fight the war rather than the generals and soldiers was teh mistakes.
The fact is you are still living in the fantasy world of the late 60s.
Psychoblues said:I, like most intelligent Americans, finished fighting the Viet Nam War in 1975 as we rolled up completely and just left. Viet Nam was a lost cause in 1954 as well in 1975, both dates from Republican led Administrations. Some Americans just can't get over the fact that other nations prefer a completely different brand of politics, government and national direction than as "advertised" by the Americans that can afford the advertisements.
We never advertise our sick, homeless and hopeless. We never advertise the atrocities committed by our industries. We never advertise our failures to protect the peoples that we should most respect and embrace. I could cite thousands of examples here but your ability to Google or otherwise search these things out is at least equal to my own. Maybe you just don't care?
I live in no "fantasy" world. I live in America. Throughout the history of America we have stood for high ideals and genuine compassion. We've been tripped up with questions of property ownership, race, gender, birth nationality and religion, etc., but the high ideals of common Americans have always prevailed and ultimately they will in this case.
Why are Republicans so afraid of the rights of people to organize within their work groups or neighborhood groups or Veterans groups or religious groups or even political groups beyond Republicanism? I would suggest the Republicans are at fault on these issues.
You will never sell the idea of freedom and liberty to the WORLD while you so often limit the same. You will never just be able to "kill" your opposition without proving to them your ideology is sound and unselfish. Otherwise, we have perpetual WAR which is what most Americans believed was abolished in WWI and WWII. True Freedom will ring. Americans, in general, understand this and that is why this old Vet keeps on truckin'.
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Hobbit said:Did you rehearse this? You sound like you're running for office...fake and ingenuine. Start talking across to us like a debate instead of down to us like a speech.
Psychoblues said:What part of all this do you find disengenuious? No, I don't rehearse any that I say here. I say what I say, have you no shame? Your accusation is completely without foundation or explanation.
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Hobbit said:It sounds like some pre-prepared speech some writer wrote up for you to deliver from a podium. It doesn't sound like a conversation at all.
Psychoblues said:You must be referring to Sunday Morning Talk TV. Sorry, Hobbit, I don't rehearse or subject my topics to a focus group on anything that I say. I live in a very modest house, I am retired but I continue to work in a very modest but underpaid position and I have only one vote. You accuse me of rehearsal? Sorry, Charlie, but your accusations are as empty now as they were then.
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Hobbit said:I'm not accusing you of rehearsing so much as I'm pointing out the fact that your posts sound like speeches to an audience rather than just a talk between a few people. It's a criticism of a condescending style of speech.
Psychoblues said:Some Americans just can't get over the fact that other nations prefer a completely different brand of politics, government and national direction than as "advertised" by the Americans...
Psychoblues said:JFK tried his best to save American face and LBJ continued until his demise the same. Republicans can't get over all that. Democrats trying to save the face of Republican idiocies. What a hoot!!!!!!!!
Psychoblues
I believe that the Vietnam war actually started to get the French out of Indo-China (it started with the French, that figures). Then, the communists got the idea that, once the French were out, they could "liberate" the south.Psychoblues said:Have you forgotten? Or maybe you just conviently overlooked it. The Viet Nam War was inherited by Democrats from the very Republican Eisenhower Administration. I don't fault you for that, many Americans just don't realize that absolute fact. We didn't enter Viet Nam in 1960, we interjected ourselves in 1954. Do you remember who was president at that time? JFK tried his best to save American face and LBJ continued until his demise the same. Republicans can't get over all that. Democrats trying to save the face of Republican idiocies. What a hoot!!!!!!!!
Psychoblues
As far as the people that died after the war in Viet Nam are concerned, are you more concerned with them or the powers that denied them thier freedom to live? Americans tried in vain to save them. We were ordered to leave by a Republican President as he promised in order to get himself elected. This gets really convoluted. I suggest you read up on all of it and give us your summation of events as you see them.
musicman said:I think I'm beginning to understand, Psychoblues. I think I can dig it.
The people of other nations actually PREFER totalitarianism, abject poverty, and hopelessness. That's the reason they try to get themselves HERE - by any means, legal or illegal, chancing death - on foot through deserts, on rafts across oceans, and over walls guarded by men with "shoot to kill" orders. It's the same reason the world looks to us every time they steer themselves directly into the shitter - which they are doggedly and determinedly in the process of doing once again. America must really suck.
Psychoblues said:Nope, musicman, i don't think you dig it at all. What you said is certainly not what I said and what you meant was certainly not debate or even simple minded consideration.
Are you one of those "musicmen" that doesn't understand the difference between an R sharp and a Be Flat? You indicate your intelligence and understanding by your interpretation of the "music" at hand. But, maybe I'm just being moody right now.
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