The Republicans can take heart as Barack Obama staggers to the Left

I think it was foolish of Obama to push his big government plans through before addressing the financial crisis. Shouldn't that have been his first priority?

And what were these big gvt plans and when exactly were they passed through congress?

Were they before the stimulus, or the bailout tarp money or the auto bail out or a number of other things he addressed regarding the financial crisis?

I hate to call you on this but it sounds like a partisan bunk line to me zoom...can you explain in some kind of detail, what you meant?

Care
 
Care, you do tend to take my wording and expressions quite literally. :rolleyes:

Don't you think setting forth some kind of financial plan and hiring Timmy some staff should have been one of the first things he did, rather than shoving through a $787 billion dollar stimulus plan full of pork, a bloated budget (also containing pork), bailing out the auto makers? He's gone and spent, spent, spent and now he's getting around to trying to figure out what to do with the banks/financial mess . . . and where's that money going to come from? What, exactly, is the plan to save the banks? Throwing money at them hasn't worked. Where's Tim's plan? What's his plan? Maybe I missed it. Do you not have a problem with all the massive spending?
 
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President Obama graduated Magna Cum Laude from harvard, meaning he was in the top 10% of his class.
 
I actually believe that Obama has very little intellectual curiosity beyond his own immiediate and ongoing autobiography. He is not nearly so bright as was portrayed over and over again by the media. In fact, I am convinced that this portrayal by the media is yet another example of its inherent racist bias. It was a reaction to a man of color with the ability to give a speech, devoid of the race-baiting anger that has been so common in the black leadership voices of the last 30 years, that created white members of the media to fall over themselves in praise of this "brilliant" politician. A true accounting of Obama's actual message though shows platitudes and broad generalizations, devoid of substance, and the very possible fact of a mind and/or personality incapable of forming such substance.

That being said, Obama has shown a decided change in message of late - a far more pro-business, tax cut, economically sound message. Clearly someone reached the President and convinced him such a change was in order - and Obama, ever watchful of his created self-image, appeared quite responsive.


It's becoming apparent that this adminstration has no clue as to what is going on, & or how to fix it. AIG & these new bonuse's are on Geithners watch--this after all the complaining over Wall Street's bonuses! Geithner still is completely understaffed by 17 people. I imagine it's because there are not 17 people in this country that can figure out this mess either.

But, as far as your point. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Nancy Pelosi has written all these spending bills. In fact, I doubt that Barack Obama has had time or the care to actually read the first 787 billion dollar stimulus bill. He kept stating that there were no earmarks in it--later we find out that 1/3 of this bill is not for economic stimulus but in fact all earmarks. Then Obama rails about ear-marks & 20 minutes later signs the Ominus bill that is loaded with more than 9000 earmarks--from both republicans & democrat "gimme those taxpayer dollars for my pet projects." Obama had no problem with signing that bill. He could have easily vetoed the bill--but instead chose to hide behind the claim that it was last years bill--even though the money is to be spent this year.

It this wasn't so serious--it would be laughable. Dick Morris--Bill Clinton's old campaign manager referred to Barack Obama as a socialist tonight--& then added that he kindly cannot even call him a good socialist, ha.ha. He's not even good at that.

I think we have elected a good speech giver. I don't give him a lot of credit for "know-how" or hands on management of a crisis. He is a person who can convince people who do not pay much attention to the politics--or have no clue as to how the economy works-- to follow him. Kind of like sheep to the slaughter.
 
I actually believe that Obama has very little intellectual curiosity beyond his own immiediate and ongoing autobiography. He is not nearly so bright as was portrayed over and over again by the media. In fact, I am convinced that this portrayal by the media is yet another example of its inherent racist bias. It was a reaction to a man of color with the ability to give a speech, devoid of the race-baiting anger that has been so common in the black leadership voices of the last 30 years, that created white members of the media to fall over themselves in praise of this "brilliant" politician. A true accounting of Obama's actual message though shows platitudes and broad generalizations, devoid of substance, and the very possible fact of a mind and/or personality incapable of forming such substance.

That being said, Obama has shown a decided change in message of late - a far more pro-business, tax cut, economically sound message. Clearly someone reached the President and convinced him such a change was in order - and Obama, ever watchful of his created self-image, appeared quite responsive.


It's becoming apparent that this adminstration has no clue as to what is going on, & or how to fix it. AIG & these new bonuse's are on Geithners watch--this after all the complaining over Wall Street's bonuses! Geithner still is completely understaffed by 17 people. I imagine it's because there are not 17 people in this country that can figure out this mess either.

But, as far as your point. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Nancy Pelosi has written all these spending bills. In fact, I doubt that Barack Obama has had time or the care to actually read the first 787 billion dollar stimulus bill. He kept stating that there were no earmarks in it--later we find out that 1/3 of this bill is not for economic stimulus but in fact all earmarks. Then Obama rails about ear-marks & 20 minutes later signs the Ominus bill that is loaded with more than 9000 earmarks--from both republicans & democrat "gimme those taxpayer dollars for my pet projects." Obama had no problem with signing that bill. He could have easily vetoed the bill--but instead chose to hide behind the claim that it was last years bill--even though the money is to be spent this year.

It this wasn't so serious--it would be laughable. Dick Morris--Bill Clinton's old campaign manager referred to Barack Obama as a socialist tonight--& then added that he kindly cannot even call him a good socialist, ha.ha. He's not even good at that.

I think we have elected a good speech giver. I don't give him a lot of credit for "know-how" or hands on management of a crisis. He is a person who can convince people who do not pay much attention to the politics--or have no clue as to how the economy works-- to follow him. Kind of like sheep to the slaughter.

my question is how long will the dems continue to be partisan and completely blame Bush for this?
 
President Obama graduated Magna Cum Laude from harvard, meaning he was in the top 10% of his class.

Who cares--another lawyer that graduated Magna Cum B.S. In case you haven't noticed our congress is LOADED with lawyers & I have never seen this country so SCREWED up.

Unfortunately--we don't have too many representatives that have actually had to balance a checkbook, make payroll, run a business & keep it in black ink. Most of them have never gotten their hands dirty in their entire lives.

But hey if we have a "legal" question, we have hundreds of overly educated idiots right there to answer the legal question.

Anyone need a lawyer right now? Call the Federal government, you're sure to find one.
 
I actually believe that Obama has very little intellectual curiosity beyond his own immiediate and ongoing autobiography. He is not nearly so bright as was portrayed over and over again by the media. In fact, I am convinced that this portrayal by the media is yet another example of its inherent racist bias. It was a reaction to a man of color with the ability to give a speech, devoid of the race-baiting anger that has been so common in the black leadership voices of the last 30 years, that created white members of the media to fall over themselves in praise of this "brilliant" politician. A true accounting of Obama's actual message though shows platitudes and broad generalizations, devoid of substance, and the very possible fact of a mind and/or personality incapable of forming such substance.

That being said, Obama has shown a decided change in message of late - a far more pro-business, tax cut, economically sound message. Clearly someone reached the President and convinced him such a change was in order - and Obama, ever watchful of his created self-image, appeared quite responsive.


It's becoming apparent that this adminstration has no clue as to what is going on, & or how to fix it. AIG & these new bonuse's are on Geithners watch--this after all the complaining over Wall Street's bonuses! Geithner still is completely understaffed by 17 people. I imagine it's because there are not 17 people in this country that can figure out this mess either.

But, as far as your point. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Nancy Pelosi has written all these spending bills. In fact, I doubt that Barack Obama has had time or the care to actually read the first 787 billion dollar stimulus bill. He kept stating that there were no earmarks in it--later we find out that 1/3 of this bill is not for economic stimulus but in fact all earmarks. Then Obama rails about ear-marks & 20 minutes later signs the Ominus bill that is loaded with more than 9000 earmarks--from both republicans & democrat "gimme those taxpayer dollars for my pet projects." Obama had no problem with signing that bill. He could have easily vetoed the bill--but instead chose to hide behind the claim that it was last years bill--even though the money is to be spent this year.

It this wasn't so serious--it would be laughable. Dick Morris--Bill Clinton's old campaign manager referred to Barack Obama as a socialist tonight--& then added that he kindly cannot even call him a good socialist, ha.ha. He's not even good at that.

I think we have elected a good speech giver. I don't give him a lot of credit for "know-how" or hands on management of a crisis. He is a person who can convince people who do not pay much attention to the politics--or have no clue as to how the economy works-- to follow him. Kind of like sheep to the slaughter.

my question is how long will the dems continue to be partisan and completely blame Bush for this?

You're kidding right. "I inherited this." How many times have we heard this comment from Barack Obama or people within his administration.

Yes Barack Obama we know you inheritied this. But President Bush inherited a recession also. Reagan inherited a recession that was worse than this one. Did they blame the preciding President, or continually mention it.? NO. In fact, never once did they mention it, they took it on & dealt with it.

This President is much different than past Presidents, & I am not giving Barack Obama a compliment when I say that.
 
It's becoming apparent that this adminstration has no clue as to what is going on, & or how to fix it. AIG & these new bonuse's are on Geithners watch--this after all the complaining over Wall Street's bonuses! Geithner still is completely understaffed by 17 people. I imagine it's because there are not 17 people in this country that can figure out this mess either.

But, as far as your point. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Nancy Pelosi has written all these spending bills. In fact, I doubt that Barack Obama has had time or the care to actually read the first 787 billion dollar stimulus bill. He kept stating that there were no earmarks in it--later we find out that 1/3 of this bill is not for economic stimulus but in fact all earmarks. Then Obama rails about ear-marks & 20 minutes later signs the Ominus bill that is loaded with more than 9000 earmarks--from both republicans & democrat "gimme those taxpayer dollars for my pet projects." Obama had no problem with signing that bill. He could have easily vetoed the bill--but instead chose to hide behind the claim that it was last years bill--even though the money is to be spent this year.

It this wasn't so serious--it would be laughable. Dick Morris--Bill Clinton's old campaign manager referred to Barack Obama as a socialist tonight--& then added that he kindly cannot even call him a good socialist, ha.ha. He's not even good at that.

I think we have elected a good speech giver. I don't give him a lot of credit for "know-how" or hands on management of a crisis. He is a person who can convince people who do not pay much attention to the politics--or have no clue as to how the economy works-- to follow him. Kind of like sheep to the slaughter.

my question is how long will the dems continue to be partisan and completely blame Bush for this?

You're kidding right. "I inherited this." How many times have we heard this comment from Barack Obama or people within his administration.

Yes Barack Obama we know you inheritied this. But President Bush inherited a recession also. Reagan inherited a recession that was worse than this one. Did they blame the preciding President, or continually mention it.? NO. In fact, never once did they mention it, they took it on & dealt with it.

This President is much different than past Presidents, & I am not giving Barack Obama a compliment when I say that.
Hell, not even Carter blamed things on the previous admin
and a lot of things were fucked up under Ford
 
Oh my goodness...the DNC is taking advantage of their position of power!

Whoda thunk they would do that?

I know I'm totally shocked.

And yet you pretend not to care. Any politician that would use a current economic or social condition to better their position with the public should be put to death for treason.
 
Obama's dark skin quite likely played a far larger role in his approval to enter both Harvard and Chicago Law, than did his actual academic performance.

Unless you have proof for that statement you are bigotted blowhard.

Actually, it probably had something to do with his dark skin. Since his father was an alumnus of Harvard, he probably didn't have much trouble getting in.
 
Oh my goodness...the DNC is taking advantage of their position of power!

Whoda thunk they would do that?

I know I'm totally shocked.

And yet you pretend not to care. Any politician that would use a current economic or social condition to better their position with the public should be put to death for treason.
naw, i think thats taking it a bit too far
maybe they shouldnt be re-elected
 
Oh my goodness...the DNC is taking advantage of their position of power!

Whoda thunk they would do that?

I know I'm totally shocked.

And yet you pretend not to care. Any politician that would use a current economic or social condition to better their position with the public should be put to death for treason.
naw, i think thats taking it a bit too far
maybe they shouldnt be re-elected

Whatever. They're not worth the oxygen they breathe. The world's better off with people that would deliberately prolong a dire situation for political gain.

If Democrats want to be the "party of the people," they will actually put the people first. But I don't expect them to do that anymore than I expected Bush and Co. to.
 
I actually believe that Obama has very little intellectual curiosity beyond his own immiediate and ongoing autobiography. He is not nearly so bright as was portrayed over and over again by the media. In fact, I am convinced that this portrayal by the media is yet another example of its inherent racist bias. It was a reaction to a man of color with the ability to give a speech, devoid of the race-baiting anger that has been so common in the black leadership voices of the last 30 years, that created white members of the media to fall over themselves in praise of this "brilliant" politician. A true accounting of Obama's actual message though shows platitudes and broad generalizations, devoid of substance, and the very possible fact of a mind and/or personality incapable of forming such substance.

That being said, Obama has shown a decided change in message of late - a far more pro-business, tax cut, economically sound message. Clearly someone reached the President and convinced him such a change was in order - and Obama, ever watchful of his created self-image, appeared quite responsive.

That's right, no one who worked their way through Harvard Law School and rose to become Head of the Harvard Law Review could be very smart. Besides what could being a Constitutional Law Professor qualify one for other than being an expert on how the Framers intended the government to work...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't fomer President Bush (the latter) also graduate from Harvard? And I could swear I was told for eight solid years how he had a borderline intelligence, was an idiot, etc.
 
Oh my goodness...the DNC is taking advantage of their position of power!

Whoda thunk they would do that?

I know I'm totally shocked.

And yet you pretend not to care. Any politician that would use a current economic or social condition to better their position with the public should be put to death for treason.

He's not pretending. He really DOESN'T care . . . provided it's Obama doing it.
 

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