The Republican economics are wrong

If you put money into the rich one percent and hope they get guided into creating jobs with no present need to fill you are going to be really lucky if that does anything at all.

the more venture capital the super rich have the more new ventures like Apple, Google, HP, Cisco, etc they can fund. This is where new jobs and new employment come from.

In the industry they say, the more shots on goal they can take the more goals they'll score. Therefore the cap gains tax on venture capital should be eliminated. Liberals lack the intelligence to understand this.
 
If you put money into the rich one percent and hope they get guided into creating jobs with no present need to fill you are going to be really lucky if that does anything at all.

the more venture capital the super rich have the more new ventures like Apple, Google, HP, Cisco, etc they can fund. This is where new jobs and new employment come from.

In the industry they say, the more shots on goal they can take the more goals they'll score. Therefore the cap gains tax on venture capital should be eliminated. Liberals lack the intelligence to understand this.
That is like saying the Earth is flat.

For the past three decades we have been watching the diametric opposite of what you are asserting take place. The rich have grown progressively richer while available jobs have progressively diminished.

The rich aren't investing in America. They either hoard their money or they engage in foreign enterprises -- much of which includes the exporting of American jobs to foreign countries.
 
That is like saying the Earth is flat.

For the past three decades we have been watching the diametric opposite of what you are asserting take place. The rich have grown progressively richer while available jobs have progressively diminished.

yes the rich as usual have been magnificant; lately bringing us Facebook, iphone, twitter, etc etc but now libturds have a lot of clout in government and of course have destroyed the middle class as follows:

1) Make unions illegal ( 10 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

2) make minimum wage illegal ( 5 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

3) end business taxation; especially tax incentives to off-shore jobs ( 5 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

4) make inflation illegal ( 2 million new jobs) Democrats oppose


5) make Federal debt illegal( 2 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

6) send illegal workers home(8 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

7) Pass Balanced Budget Amendment to Constitution( 3 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

8) cut pay of government workers in half( 4 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

9) Make health insurance competition legal( 6 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

10) end needless business regulations ( 2 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

11) restrict Federal spending to 15% of GNP( 2 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

12) support unlimited free trade( 2 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

13) reduced unemployment compensation, welfare, food stamps, medicaid.( 2 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

14) privatize education, social security ( 4 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

15) end payroll taxes ( 1 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

Since Democrats always oppose wisdom and common sense the only serious option is to make them illegal as the Constitution intended.
 
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This is going to show the main weakness in why giving people money to spend does not directly lead to an increase in consumption which would lead to an increase in job creation. This is the main flaw in the republican idea of trickle down economics where we give the rich more spending money to create more jobs.

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It's sad that leftists have no grasp at all on basic economic principles.

First of all, it is Keynesian economics that suggest deficit spending in order to stimulate aggregate demand will produce a recovery from recession, not "Republican economics," whatever they may be.

Further, the concept of tax reduction is intended to spur capital investment, realizing that investment in facilities and capital ventures is the foundation of employment.

You have no grasp of even simple economic principles, thus your post is absurd.
 
Republicans don't really have an "economic policy". They can't even say the words "supply and demand" and have zero understanding that the job creators are the American consumers.

What they have are called "schemes" to move money from the middle class to top 1%. They don't even try to hide it. The Republican base has been convinced that to do anything else is "class warfare".

WARNING:

The above is the result of "fucktardation." Note that the fucktard was compelled to regurgitate the most inane and openly moronic diatribe in a quest to defame his political enemies. Fucktardation is cause by excessive partisanship.
 
That is like saying the Earth is flat.

For the past three decades we have been watching the diametric opposite of what you are asserting take place. The rich have grown progressively richer while available jobs have progressively diminished.

yes the rich as usual have been magnificant; lately bringing us Facebook, iphone, twitter, etc etc but now libturds have a lot of clout in government and of course have destroyed the middle class as follows:

1) Make unions illegal ( 10 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

2) make minimum wage illegal ( 5 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

3) end business taxation; especially tax incentives to off-shore jobs ( 5 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

4) make inflation illegal ( 2 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

5) make Federal debt illegal( 2 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

6) send illegal workers home(8 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

7) Pass Balanced Budget Amendment to Constitution( 3 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

8) cut pay of government workers in half( 4 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

9) Make health insurance competition legal( 6 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

10) end needless business regulations ( 2 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

11) restrict Federal spending to 15% of GNP( 2 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

12) support unlimited free trade( 2 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

13) reduced unemployment compensation, welfare, food stamps, medicaid.( 2 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

14) privatize education, social security ( 4 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

15) end payroll taxes ( 1 million new jobs) Democrats oppose

Since Democrats always oppose wisdom and common sense the only serious option is to make them illegal as the Constitution intended.
Except for Item #6, what you are recommending is right out of Milton Friedman's playbook. So if you'd like to read about the effects of such policies I respectfully recommend Naomi Klein's excellent book, The Shock Doctrine. Learn what implementation of such radically conservative policies did to Chile and Argentina.

If you don't wish to read the book a quick summary of both examples is both countries devolved to fascism within three years.
 
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Except for Item #6, what you are recommending is right out of Milton Friedman's playbook. So if you'd like to read about the effects of such policies I respectfully recommend Naomi Klein's excellent book, The Shock Doctrine. Learn what implementation of these policies did to Chile and Argentina.

If you don't wish to read the book a quick summary of both examples is both countries devolved to fascism[/u] within three years.


Holy shit but your a fucking retard.

You've never read Friedman. You have no clue what he advocated.

Fucktardation is epidemic among the left.
 
It can't. It's illegal for the Fed to lend to the government (or buy government bonds directly from the Treasury).

Someone better tell the Fed that because the've been buying treasury bonds for years now

In the open market (hence "open market operations"). They buy existing treasuries (that is, which have already been floated) from their list of 9(?) primary dealers. They aren't allowed to loan the government money or buy government bonds from the government. They can buy existing assets in the secondary market.

please drop that BS; even the NY Fed chairman doesn't lie about it. If everyone knows they are going to buy them it makes no difference when they buy them.
 
So if you'd like to read about the effects of such policies I respectfully recommend Naomi Klein's excellent book, The Shock Doctrine


why read that, she's no economist in a million years.

If you think a bird brain liberal like that has something to say about Friedman please give us your single best example so we can all have a serious laugh?

Don't be afraid. Please try.
 
Republicans don't really have an "economic policy". They can't even say the words "supply and demand" and have zero understanding that the job creators are the American consumers.

What they have are called "schemes" to move money from the middle class to top 1%. They don't even try to hide it. The Republican base has been convinced that to do anything else is "class warfare".

Making shit up as you go along, is not a good idea.

everyone knows demand drives the economy moran

Not Republicans. You squeeze the middle class and they have nothing left to buy anything. No demand, no jobs. Business will never "create" jobs.

If Republicans understood this, they wouldn't refer to billionaires as the "job creators".
 
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It may deviate from it during short run business cycles (which may last a while depending on what's causing them)

That is a big qualification.

The fact that there have always been business cycles allows an alternative interpretation, in the long run, the economy always goes to minimum output. It may deviate from it during short run business cycles (which may last a while depending on what's causing them.)

It was just there to avoid the idea that the "short run" needs to be especially short. Obviously there are more conditions. I wasn't being especially rigorous because this is just a forum, not a working paper. It's too much work being overly rigorous and the point attempting to be made can get lost in a giant wall of text full of convoluted details. So I'll tend to make points in broad strokes with a bit of hand waving and leave out the nitty gritty.

I know. It's just one of those things that really annoys me. I am use to the definitiveness that physical and engineering afford where everything is defined down to very specific and measurable mathematical terms. And I am more frustrated with myself then anything, as I have normalized GDP on inflation, population, and employment level to get those out of the way, yet still find some problems that leave me unable to really nail down what exactly the "long run" and "short run" are, exactly. I keep hoping if I voice it, put some of the things out there, the day will come when the light bulb will go on. It can happen.

Or, perhaps, you might have a reference.
 
So if you'd like to read about the effects of such policies I respectfully recommend Naomi Klein's excellent book, The Shock Doctrine


why read that, she's no economist in a million years.

Nor are you an economist. But you readily denounce her without having read her book -- which has been praised by numerous academic and journalistic luminaries such as John LeCarre, William Kowinski, Howard Zinn, Joseph Stiglitz, Arundhati Roy, Ariana Huffington, Seymour Hersh, Jeremy Scahill, et. al., and glowingly reviewed by the New York Times.

If you think a bird brain liberal like that has something to say about Friedman please give us your single best example so we can all have a serious laugh?

Don't be afraid. Please try.
Milton Friedman traveled to Chile to serve as Augusto Pinochet's economic advisor. In less than three years that nation had become a textbook example of fascism with an impoverished peasant class which had been a relatively comfortable working class under Salvador Allende, who was murdered in a military coup conducted by Pinochet.

That's one example. If you'd like more, read the book. It's packed with examples -- along with documentation.
 
If you put money into the rich one percent and hope they get guided into creating jobs with no present need to fill you are going to be really lucky if that does anything at all.

the more venture capital the super rich have the more new ventures like Apple, Google, HP, Cisco, etc they can fund. This is where new jobs and new employment come from.

In the industry they say, the more shots on goal they can take the more goals they'll score. Therefore the cap gains tax on venture capital should be eliminated. Liberals lack the intelligence to understand this.

The more money anyone has, the more shots on the goal they can take. The more money the middle class have, the more shots on the goal they can take at starting companies like Hewlett and Packard.

Venture capital is only one of numerous ways to start a company.

Reduction in capital gains taxes has no connection to increases in GDP, employment, or invention. In fact, nothing important has ever been invented by a venture capitalist. Apple, Google, and HP were all invented by either upper middle class engineers or upper middle class college students.

You lack the intelligence to understand this.
 
The more money anyone has, the more shots on the goal they can take. The more money the middle class have, the more shots on the goal they can take at starting companies like Hewlett and Packard.

Venture capital is only one of numerous ways to start a company.

Reduction in capital gains taxes has no connection to increases in GDP, employment, or invention. In fact, nothing important has ever been invented by a venture capitalist. Apple, Google, and HP were all invented by either upper middle class engineers or upper middle class college students.

You lack the intelligence to understand this.

Wow, you really post bullshit like this in a public forum?

No real concern with credibility, huh?

Stephen Jobs was so poor that in order to fund his first breadboard computers, he sold his VW Microbus to buy parts, which he then sold at the "Homebrew Computer Club."

David Packard raised $30,000 in venture capital to form Hewlett-Packard with fellow engineer Bill Hewlett.

You seem not to grasp the concept that business provides employment. Sure, government employs people, more every day. But government does not and cannot produce wealth in most markets, so these are service jobs that rely on wealth creation by the industries you pooh pooh.
 
Don't be afraid. Please try.

Milton Friedman traveled to Chile to serve as Augusto Pinochet's economic advisor. In less than three years that nation had become a textbook example of fascism with an impoverished peasant class which had been a relatively comfortable working class under Salvador Allende, who was murdered in a military coup conducted by Pinochet.

That's one example. If you'd like more, read the book. It's packed with examples -- along with documentation.

you are less than an perfect idiot. Friedman gave Pinochet the same advice he gave every country and human being on earth. That some governments ignored the advice and declined to fascism has nothing to do with Friedman you less than perfect idiot!! China followed the advice an instantly saved 30 million people from starving to death.

To complex for a liberal? Try this. If two things happen it does not mean one causes the other!! Is that still over you pea brain liberal head!!

Friedman is responsible for the advice he gave, not what people do after he gives them advice that is unrelated to the advice. If someone kills himself after a doctor says, get some sleep, the doctor is not responsible!! Still over your very typical liberal head??
 
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you are less than an perfect idiot. Friedman gave Pinochet the same advice he gave every country and human being on earth. That some governments ignored the advice and declined to fascism has nothing to do with Friedman you less than perfect idiot!! China followed the advice an instantly saved 30 million people from starving to death.

To complex for a liberal? Try this. If two things happen it does not mean one causes the other!! Is that still over you pea brain liberal head!!

Friedman is responsible for the advice he gave, not what people do after he gives them advice that is unrelated to the advice. If someone kills himself after a doctor says, get some sleep, the doctor is not responsible!! Still over your very typical liberal head??

Further, far from poverty as MoronK claims, Chile emerged as the most stable and successful South American economy - continuing to this day.
 
The more money anyone has, the more shots on the goal they can take. The more money the middle class have, the more shots on the goal they can take at starting companies like Hewlett and Packard.

more stupid liberalism

"anyone" doesn't start and build great new companies that employ millions and increase our standard of living. Most of the great silicon valley companies that have saved our economy have depended on venture capital. Therefore it is stupid and liberal to compromise these companies by stealing money from them just to make liberal welfare payments


In fact, nothing important has ever been invented by a venture capitalist. Apple, Google, and HP were all invented by either upper middle class engineers or upper middle class college students.

You lack the intelligence to understand this.

Jobs was not an engineer and his company, like most of the others, depended on venture capital to get started and to grow. You are very liberal, the pure ignorance shows. Taking money from our best and fastest growing companies to make welfare payments is purely liberal.
 
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...by giving money to the poor to consume more they create a demand...

You can't take money out of the economy, run it through a government bureaucracy, then redistribute it to poor people and call that stimulus. That's akin to me robbing the local grocery store of their till, handing that money to a local bum and when he goes to buy beer, calling that stimulative. It doesn't work that way.

You have fallen victim to the fallacy of breaking windows. Look it up.
 
"Behind every great fortune lies a great crime." (Honore de Balzac)

typical treasonous Marxist brainwashing from a liberal. Why not tell us the great crimes that Gates, Jobs, and Ford committed??

Let me guess, Gates made PC software possible and affordable, Jobs made the Iphone possible and affordable, and Ford made the car possible and affordable. Oh, and they employed 10's of millions!!


The liberal says, lets hang them all!!!!
 
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