The re-location of the West Coast Japanese during WWII...what really happened.

[Persuader]

Many liberals have likened the Japanese Internment Centers in America to nazi concentration camps......so absolutely ridiculous.

this following video gives some insight into what conditions were really like for those Japanese who were in the camps.....also we should remember a big important fact.........only the most radical Japanese who adored Japan and their emperor and had exhibited hatred of America were forced into these camps.
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The great majority of the Japanese people on the west coast could have moved into any other part of America they so desired......they were only denied the right to live on the west coast.

Yet most of them agreed to go to the camps.....perhaps for economic reasons....free housing, food and security.... no doubt since there was so much hatred for Japan after the Pearl Harbor Attack....that many of the Japanese chose to go to the camps where they knew they would be safe as the Army provided security for them.

 

[JoeB131]

Shatner? SPEAKING of drama queen ham sandwiches!!!

If it weren't for Star Trek, Takei's career would have been playing, "Asian Guy" in most roles until his acting career petered out. Heck, with his pock-marked face, it's amazing he got roles at all.

But instead, he's spent the last 50 years whining, "Shatner didn't let me have enough screen time. What, did he think he was the star of the show or something."

BUT, no matter the sugar coating, this was racism and bigotry and should never have been allowed to happen to American citizens.

Um, easy for us to say now.

Here's the thing. In 1942, there was a geunine fear that the Japanese MIGHT invade the west coast. They had destroyed all our battleships, they had a superiority in carriers. If the Battle of Midway had gone the other way, they could have dominated the Pacific.

In EVERY COUNTRY the Axis invaded, they had no problem finding people willing to collaborate - From leaders like Quisling and Petain to average people who joined units organized to fight for them.

Given that, do you really leave 100,000 potential collaborators in the invasion zone?

 

[Dadoalex]

And a democrat President, Roosevelt, did this with an executive order....racism has been the heart of the democrat party since it was created by slave owners....

I know it's hard for you to believe that ethics should take precedence over politics.
After all, you are a MAGADUMIAN.

 

[2aguy]

I know it's hard for you to believe that ethics should take precedence over politics.
After all, you are a MAGADUMIAN.

And how does pointing out the truth that a racist democrat President targeted asian Americans have anything to do with what you just posted?

 

[Dadoalex]

If it weren't for Star Trek, Takei's career would have been playing, "Asian Guy" in most roles until his acting career petered out. Heck, with his pock-marked face, it's amazing he got roles at all.

But instead, he's spent the last 50 years whining, "Shatner didn't let me have enough screen time. What, did he think he was the star of the show or something."



Um, easy for us to say now.

Here's the thing. In 1942, there was a geunine fear that the Japanese MIGHT invade the west coast. They had destroyed all our battleships, they had a superiority in carriers. If the Battle of Midway had gone the other way, they could have dominated the Pacific.

In EVERY COUNTRY the Axis invaded, they had no problem finding people willing to collaborate - From leaders like Quisling and Petain to average people who joined units organized to fight for them.

Given that, do you really leave 100,000 potential collaborators in the invasion zone?

Typical MAGADUMIAN move.
Can't respond reasonably to the message so attack the messenger.

Nothing like a little racism to stupid up your argument.

No, racist, there was PARANOIA

The same bigoted paranoia that forced many people with German sounding las names to change those names during WW I and drove White American paranoia following the Haitian Revolution.

BUT...
The US didn't send German citizens to prison camps in WWI or WWII
It didn't send Italians to prison camps in WWII.
Just to slant eyed Japs who couldn't be trusted.

Excusing and even justifying racism is never a good look.

 

[Dadoalex]

And how does pointing out the truth that a racist democrat President targeted asian Americans have anything to do with what you just posted?

Because in the context, it is IRRELEVANT
"not relevant; not applicable or pertinent...
Law. (of evidence) having no probative value upon any issue in the case."

 

[JoeB131]

Typical MAGADUMIAN move.
Can't respond reasonably to the message so attack the messenger.

Oh, get over yourself, both sides do that.

Also, I can't really have much of an opinion about Mr. Takei, who stayed deep in the closet when Star Trek was popular, because he didn't want to ruin his chance of getting casting calls.

Nothing like a little racism to stupid up your argument.

No, racist, there was PARANOIA

The same bigoted paranoia that forced many people with German sounding las names to change those names during WW I and drove White American paranoia following the Haitian Revolution.

Well, speaking as someone whose grandfather actually DID change the pronunciation of his last name after WWI, bullshit.

What you forget is the absolute shock that the initial Japanese attack was. Actually, much worse than 9/11 in many ways. It was swiftly followed up by the Japanese scooping up our bases in the Philippines, Guam, Wake, etc. You seem to want to talk about 'We were mean to Japanese Americans" without talking about the Rape of Nanking or the Bataan Death March.

BUT...
The US didn't send German citizens to prison camps in WWI or WWII
It didn't send Italians to prison camps in WWII.
Just to slant eyed Japs who couldn't be trusted.

That's not true, either. IN fact 11,500 Germans and 3000 Italian Americans were also interned during the war.

German and Italian detainees | Densho Encyclopedia

So a few points. During the war, we made a distinction between the Average German or Italian and the Nazis and Fascists. We really made no such distinction with the Japanese because they didn't seem to have a political aspect. As a nation, they seemed blindly loyal to the Emperor (who should have been hanged as a war criminal.) Also, in terms of pure numbers, there were millions of German and Italian immigrants and second generation citizens. So the Germans who got locked up were guys like Ernst Kuhn, who was the leader of the German-American Bund.

Also, no one thought the Germans were going to hit the East Coast with their one battleship that they had to keep hiding in the fjords of Norway so no one would sink it. Japan had dozens of capital ships

Excusing and even justifying racism is never a good look.

Yes, I'm so racist against Asian people that I'm engaged to a Chinese woman. (Who actually legitimately hates the Japanese.)

 

[Persuader]

Typical MAGADUMIAN move.
Can't respond reasonably to the message so attack the messenger.

Nothing like a little racism to stupid up your argument.

No, racist, there was PARANOIA

The same bigoted paranoia that forced many people with German sounding las names to change those names during WW I and drove White American paranoia following the Haitian Revolution.

BUT...
The US didn't send German citizens to prison camps in WWI or WWII
It didn't send Italians to prison camps in WWII.
Just to slant eyed Japs who couldn't be trusted.

Excusing and even justifying racism is never a good look.

Now for the truth boyo........................German American citizens were incarcerated during WWII in the United States.2 The exact population of German POWs in World War I is difficult to ascertain because they were housed in the same facilities used to detain civilians of German heritage residing in the United States, but there were known to be 406 German POWs at Fort Douglas and 1,373 at Fort McPherson. The prisoners built furniture and worked on local roads. The few dozen who died while incarcerated as POWs were buried at Ft. Douglas, Utah, the Chattanooga National Cemetery, and Fort Lyon, Colorado.0 During WWII, German nationals and German Americans in the US were detained and/or evicted from coastal areas on an individual basis. The legal basis for this detention was under Presidential Proclamation 2526, made by President Franklin Delano Roosevelt under the authority of the Alien Enemies Act.2 At its peak in May 1945, a total of 425,871 POWs were held in the US, including 371,683 Germans, 50,273 Italians, and 3,915 Japanese.

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/in...dely Know – The-,Internment,-Camps of Germans

Secrecy and Injustice: Exposing WWII Italian Internment Camps

By: Tony Traficante, ISDA Contributing Editor Not only was it forgotten but kept secret from the public—for years! It was a disgraceful, scandalous stigma on Italian Americans when legal immigrants as well as naturalized citizens, were labeled “Enemies of the United States.” This tragic story of...

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[EvilCat Breath]

The Americans of 1941 were not the Americans of today. There was no appreciation of diversity. Japanese would have found themselves torn limb from limb by a furious America.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Now for the truth boyo........................German American citizens were incarcerated during WWII in the United States.2 The exact population of German POWs in World War I is difficult to ascertain because they were housed in the same facilities used to detain civilians of German heritage residing in the United States, but there were known to be 406 German POWs at Fort Douglas and 1,373 at Fort McPherson. The prisoners built furniture and worked on local roads. The few dozen who died while incarcerated as POWs were buried at Ft. Douglas, Utah, the Chattanooga National Cemetery, and Fort Lyon, Colorado.0 During WWII, German nationals and German Americans in the US were detained and/or evicted from coastal areas on an individual basis. The legal basis for this detention was under Presidential Proclamation 2526, made by President Franklin Delano Roosevelt under the authority of the Alien Enemies Act.2 At its peak in May 1945, a total of 425,871 POWs were held in the US, including 371,683 Germans, 50,273 Italians, and 3,915 Japanese.

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/in...dely Know – The-,Internment,-Camps of Germans

Secrecy and Injustice: Exposing WWII Italian Internment Camps

By: Tony Traficante, ISDA Contributing Editor Not only was it forgotten but kept secret from the public—for years! It was a disgraceful, scandalous stigma on Italian Americans when legal immigrants as well as naturalized citizens, were labeled “Enemies of the United States.” This tragic story of...

orderisda.org

German POWs were not badly treated here. A number of them elected to remain after the war. My aunt married one. Today I find it curious that a nice Jewish girl would have married a Nazi. I have no idea how that happened.

 

[Persuader]

The Americans of 1941 were not the Americans of today. There was no appreciation of diversity. Japanese would have found themselves torn limb from limb by a furious America.

The attack on Pearl Harbor boy the japanese initiated intense hatred of Japs all across America....thus a big reason why many of the West Coast Japanese voluntarily went to the camps where they knew they would be safe.

Few know the Japanese could have lived in any area of America except on the west coast.....the liberal myth that all of the West Coast Japanese were forced to go to the camps has been taught to generations of school kids and it is one of the most successful of all the liberal myths as in even republicans believe it.....the truth has been hidden and shunted aside.

 

[whitehall]

It's E.O. 9066 if you want to look it up. The dirty little secret is that real estate agents who were contributors to FDR made a bundle off property that had to be sold by American Japanese who were incarcerated.

 

[bodecea]

The Democrat administration rounded up Americans and put them in concentration camps. They would love to do it again now. Only this time it wouldn't be Japs. It would be any American that opposed their agenda to turn the US into a Socialist Shithole.

But you said it wasn't that bad. Didn't you just say that?

 

[bodecea]

The attack on Pearl Harbor boy the japanese initiated intense hatred of Japs all across America....thus a big reason why many of the West Coast Japanese voluntarily went to the camps where they knew they would be safe.

Few know the Japanese could have lived in any area of America except on the west coast.....the liberal myth that all of the West Coast Japanese were forced to go to the camps has been taught to generations of school kids and it is one of the most successful of all the liberal myths as in even republicans believe it.....the truth has been hidden and shunted aside.

Why weren't the Japanese Americans in Hawaii put in camps?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The attack on Pearl Harbor boy the japanese initiated intense hatred of Japs all across America....thus a big reason why many of the West Coast Japanese voluntarily went to the camps where they knew they would be safe.

Few know the Japanese could have lived in any area of America except on the west coast.....the liberal myth that all of the West Coast Japanese were forced to go to the camps has been taught to generations of school kids and it is one of the most successful of all the liberal myths as in even republicans believe it.....the truth has been hidden and shunted aside.

Not only Americans on the west coast but the large Chinese communities wanted blood.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Why weren't the Japanese Americans in Hawaii put in camps?

Mmmmm. Maybe because Hawaii wasn't a state.

 

[bodecea]

Mmmmm. Maybe because Hawaii wasn't a state.

It was American AND under martial law. So I ask again. Why weren't Japanese-Americans in Hawaii put in con-centration camps?

 

[Coyote]

The treatment of the Japanese who were put in internment camps in the USA also hardly begins to compare with the way American citizens in the south Pacific were treated by the Japanese as they invaded various islands and part of China before the USA got into the war.
It just needs to be said, and it also needs to be said that the Japanese were racist towards Americans (and all white people including Germans) before we went to war with them. One of the things that contributed to the falling out Stalin had with Hitler was over this very issue.

These were not Japanese being put into internment camps. These were Americans.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

It was American AND under martial law. So I ask again. Why weren't Japanese-Americans in Hawaii put in con-centration camps?

Long answer
During World War II, Japanese Americans living in the United States, including those in Hawaii, were indeed subjected to internment or incarceration in camps. However, the circumstances surrounding the internment of Japanese Americans in Hawaii differed from those on the U.S. mainland.
Hawaii had a significant Japanese American population prior to World War II, comprising about 37% of the territory's population. The local economy heavily relied on Japanese American labor, particularly in the agricultural industry. Additionally, Japanese Americans had been living in Hawaii for several generations, and they had become an integral part of the social and economic fabric of the islands.
Given the unique circumstances of Hawaii, the U.S. government adopted a different approach compared to the mainland when it came to Japanese Americans. The authorities recognized the critical role played by Japanese Americans in the local economy and feared that their mass removal would severely disrupt the islands' infrastructure and economy.
Instead of mass internment, the U.S. government implemented a policy of selective internment in Hawaii. The government identified individuals who were deemed potential security risks or who held leadership positions in Japanese community organizations. Approximately 1,200 Japanese Americans in Hawaii, mostly community leaders, were arrested and interned in mainland camps.
It is important to note that the internment of Japanese Americans in Hawaii was still a violation of their civil rights, and many families experienced significant hardships as a result. However, the scope and scale of internment in Hawaii were significantly smaller compared to the mass internment that occurred on the U.S. mainland.

 

[The Duke]

Very few know the truth.....the media, liberals, academia and the entertainment industry concocted a myth that endures to this day and it needs to be debunked.

What Really Happened?

A conviction that we should be ashamed about the treatment of Japanese-Americans during World War II is part of the conventional wisdom of our time. Columnist Myriam Marquez wrote recently in an entirely typical op-ed piece of the “injustices” and the “abominations” of the “internment camps for Americans of Japanese descent during World War II.”1 Americans believe with an almost religious conviction that their country committed a heinous act, and many take pride in denouncing the actions of their fathers and grandfathers. What actually happened, and why? Before entering into details, here is an outline of the facts: As a war-time measure, the federal government required all JapaneseAmericans to evacuate a large part of the American Pacific coast. They were free to move from the exclusion zone on their own, and to resettle anywhere else in the United States. Those who did not were taken first to assembly centers and then to ten relocation centers built for them as far east as Arkansas. They could stay in the centers if they wished or they could take jobs or attend college anywhere in the United States except the West Coast. The centers were therefore not internment camps, but living facilities offered by the government to those who were forbidden to live in the exclusion area and who did not make other arrangements. The centers, though built in the same austere style as American Army barracks, had many amenities and were run by Japanese-Americans. By the end of 1944, with eight months of war still to go, several thousand people had already left the camps to find homes and jobs in the central and eastern United States. The US Army was careful to look after the evacuees’ property, and Congress appropriated several million dollars soon after the war to compensate Japanese-Americans for losses that did occur. Were there any forcible internments? Immediately after the attack on Pearl Harbor, the Department of Justice incarcerated about 3,000 Japanese aliens who had been on a “danger” list since 1939.2 There were also some Japanese-Americans in the relocation centers who openly supported Japan in the war. They and their families (since no families were split), were sent to a real internment camp behind barbed wire, where for the duration of the war they paraded with rising-sun armbands and celebrated December 7 as a holiday. The government actually locked up only a small minority of Japanese-Americans—those who posed a genuine war-time security risk. The Sequence of Events On February 19, 1942, President Franklin Roosevelt signed Executive Order 9066, authorizing the establishment of military exclusion areas. The next month, Lt. General John L. DeWitt declared a major portion of the West Coast (approximately the western halves of Washington, Oregon and California, and the southern third of Arizona) a military area from which all people of Japanese descent would have to move. There was no effect on Japanese-Americans living elsewhere, other than that they could not go to the West Coast. The evacuation was put in the hands of Col. Karl R. Bendetsen, and Roosevelt created the War Relocation Authority (WRA) under the direction of Milton Eisenhower, brother of Dwight Eisenhower, to help the evacuees. Congress voted to approve the relocation, and the US Supreme Court considered and upheld relocation no fewer than three times.3 Civil liberties groups were silent or supported evacuation, and there was no opposition in Congress.4 For a short time, the plan was to help the Japanese-Americans move inland on their own. Col. Bendetsen, who managed the evacuation, later testified that “funds were provided for them [and] we informed them . . . where there were safe motels in which they could stay overnight.”5 Most families were not able to move quickly, however, and governors of states east of the exclusion zone complained about the prospect of thousands of people of Japanese descent moving into their states without oversigh


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https://www.usmessageboard.com/attachments/200301ar-pdf.793442/

Yannow, I just skimmed Yoar Great Wall of Text;

Was there anything in there about the properties and businesses they owned and had for decades?

IMO, that was a great injustice to American Japanese.


"Oh! So you own a meat market, huh? Well! Forfeit everything you have, house, business, all of it!


And be herded to this concentration camp.


That's literally how it was.