CDZ The purpose of a business?

[sakinago]

By the government then? So a controlled utilitarianism is what you're looking for? People are too stupid to know what to spend their money on?

Don't assume things. It makes you look like an ass.

No, not by a government. Value should be calculated by the cost of resources and nessecary labor. Prices should be reflective as close to the cost of production and distribution as possible. Anything else is pure madness.

So the cost of a new knee for grandpa isn't worth it? Instead grandpa gets a cane? So what happens when someone wants to spend money on a Acura, that's the same thing as a Honda, but has sleeker lines and costs a lot extra money. Yea I'm still thinking that the consumer is perfectly capable of determining what they spend their money on.

What you just described is companies catering to their bottom lines over the customer(which is not based in reality)...I'm guessing your upset that these too big to fail CEOs make a ton of money over some employees. And yes that is absolutely wrong, but guess what, too big to fail is a socialistic term. There is no such thing as too big to fail in capitalism. The big guys will fall when they make stupid business decisions, and that provides a path for the smaller business to move on up.

 

[Onyx]

Too funny. You play by the rules your employers set forth for you, because you lack the courage to risk all for a dream.

Really, because you know so much about me?

You should take a chill pill. You probably are dealing with some first world problems at home.

 

[Onyx]

So the cost of a new knee for grandpa isn't worth it? Instead grandpa gets a cane? So what happens when someone wants to spend money on a Acura, that's the same thing as a Honda, but has sleeker lines and costs a lot extra money. Yea I'm still thinking that the consumer is perfectly capable of determining what they spend their money on.

Stop with the strawman. Who are you even debating, because it certainly isn't me?

I believe in a completely free market, and do not wish to control consumer decisions at all. I have opinions on how products and services should be valued, but you want to act argumentative and not let me explain.

You clearly do not understand my position, so fuck off! I don't have time to argue against your petty strawman rants.

 

[Darkwind]

Too funny. You play by the rules your employers set forth for you, because you lack the courage to risk all for a dream.

Really, because you know so much about me?

You should take a chill pill. You probably are dealing with some first world problems at home.

Might I suggest a book? Bumper stickers aren't really helping you grow.

 

[Onyx]

Might I suggest a book? Bumper stickers aren't really helping you grow.

I read all the time. How many economists did you study in your day? Zero?

Anyways, I don't have time to get involved in some long petty squabble with you. It is obvious that you are having problems in your life, so I'll leave you be.

 

[Darkwind]

Might I suggest a book? Bumper stickers aren't really helping you grow.

I read all the time. How many economists did you study in your day? Zero?

Anyways, I don't have time to get involved in some long petty squabble with you. It is obvious that you are having problems in your life, so I'll leave you be.

As if you've read anything above Harry Potter. Thanks for the laugh though.

I always have problems with ungrateful morons who cannot even recognize a synergistic system.

Hey, you have a great night.

 

[sakinago]

I'm giving you the answer, and it starts with the the product or service.

And I'm telling you that is an answer to the wrong question. Period.

It's just not the answer you're looking for, period. What capitalism is in a nutshell is a competition to serve humanity the best, and it rewards success when serving humanity. Socialism with the best of intentions, serves the majority, in other words utilitarianism, which is a simplified form of anything Hegel said. Benthams claim to faim was sumerizing Hegel.

 

[Anathema]

What do you believe the purpose of a business should be? And don't say to make money.

There is no other answer. That is the purpose of business at its core.

 

[Onyx]

It's just not the answer you're looking for, period. What capitalism is in a nutshell is a competition to serve humanity the best, and it rewards success when serving humanity. Socialism with the best of intentions, serves the majority, in other words utilitarianism, which is a simplified form of anything Hegel said. Benthams claim to faim was sumerizing Hegel.

Wow, more strawman. I never attacked capitalism, nor did I uphold socialism.

Know what? I believe you are just a troll looking for attention. You keep putting words in my mouth, so either you are a troll or an intellectually dishonest idiot.

 

[sakinago]

So the cost of a new knee for grandpa isn't worth it? Instead grandpa gets a cane? So what happens when someone wants to spend money on a Acura, that's the same thing as a Honda, but has sleeker lines and costs a lot extra money. Yea I'm still thinking that the consumer is perfectly capable of determining what they spend their money on.

Stop with the strawman. Who are you even debating, because it certainly isn't me?

I believe in a completely free market, and do not wish to control consumer decisions at all. I have opinions on how products and services should be valued, but you want to act argumentative and not let me explain.

You clearly do not understand my position, so fuck off! I don't have time to argue against your petty strawman rants.

These aren't straw man arguments haha, your position is that consumer should not determine price. And that's not based in reality. And your argument against what I'm saying is an a priori argument, "it's not because it isn't, period." Go back and study your logical fallacies, before you start accusing straw mans. Acura...Honda, same thing...slightly different look, big price change. That's not a straw man.

 

[yiostheoy]

What do you believe the purpose of a business should be? And don't say to make money.

I believe the purpose of a business is to create a livelihood for its workers and provide for the community. Not to make a small group of founders and shareholders rich.

The purpose of a business is to earn money.

How you conduct your business will depend on whether you are ethical or predatory.

 

[yiostheoy]

It's to make money. Labor is an expenditure.

That answer demonstrates a lack of critical thinking.

Making money for the sake of making money? If that was honestly the purpose of a business, then no one would start one.

What have you been smoking today?

 

[Onyx]

These aren't straw man arguments haha, your position is that consumer should not determine price.

Yes, but I never said that the consumer shouldn't be responsible for his own buying decisions. That was pure strawman.

If you are willing to actually listen, I will reiterate my position. Value should be relative to the total cost of production and distribution, not including the cost of tools and machinery.

By the way, the consumer does not truly determine price. Their wants and needs influence what a company sets as their asking price.

 

[sakinago]

It's just not the answer you're looking for, period. What capitalism is in a nutshell is a competition to serve humanity the best, and it rewards success when serving humanity. Socialism with the best of intentions, serves the majority, in other words utilitarianism, which is a simplified form of anything Hegel said. Benthams claim to faim was sumerizing Hegel.

Wow, more strawman. I never attacked capitalism, nor did I uphold socialism.

Know what? I believe you are just a troll looking for attention. You keep putting words in my mouth, so either you are a troll or an intellectually dishonest idiot.

You're clearly not advocating for capitalism in you're OP. Are you honestly trying to hint to me you're a capitalism? Because producing just to produce is just a ridiculous notion right? Sure there may be alterior motives tied to producing, but without producing there's no fruit. Is that what you're beliefs are?

 

[Onyx]

The purpose of a business is to earn money.

False.

That is the function of a business. The purpose of a business depends on the person.

 

[yiostheoy]

The purpose of a business is to earn money.

False.

That is the function of a business. The purpose of a business depends on the person.

Ok you have distinguished between for-profit and not-for-profit in your own mind.

A "business" is normally viewed as for-profit and everything else is viewed as charity.

So I still think you are confused you just are not aware of how confused you are.

2 or 3 good econ classes in college should fix you right up thought.

 

[sakinago]

These aren't straw man arguments haha, your position is that consumer should not determine price.

Yes, but I never said that the consumer shouldn't be responsible for his own buying decisions. That was pure strawman.

If you are willing to actually listen, I will reiterate my position. Value should be relative to the total cost of production and distribution, not including the cost of tools and machinery.

By the way, the consumer does not truly determine price. Their wants and needs influence what a company sets as their asking price.

And what happens to say a paving company, that needs to buy a 50,000 dollar paving machine and a 80,000 dollar truck to haul pavement, and 30,000 steam roller, and an 80,000 dollar skid loader? Is your business model going to work for those guys?

 

[Onyx]

You're clearly not advocating for capitalism in you're OP.

Where in my OP did I cut down capitalism? Hint: Absolutely nowhere.

As soon someone mentions helping workers, you guys cry communism.

Are you honestly trying to hint to me you're a capitalism?

I believe in both capital and property. What other arbitrary conditions do I need to fulfill in order to be considered a capitalist?

Nevermind, fuck it. I don't give a fuck about your stupid labels. You are clearly off in your own world without a clue about anything.

 

[Onyx]

And what happens to say a paving company, that needs to buy a 50,000 dollar paving machine and a 80,000 dollar truck to haul pavement, and 30,000 steam roller, and an 80,000 dollar skid loader? Is your business model going to work for those guys?

Earnings should be used to cover the costs of doing business. Where did I dispute this though?

Again, you are refuting arguments that I never made. Don't put up a fight if you don't understand jackshit about my position.

 

[Onyx]

Ok you have distinguished between for-profit and not-for-profit in your own mind.

A "business" is normally viewed as for-profit and everything else is viewed as charity.

What the fuck are you even talking about? I never advocated that all businesses should be non-profit.

Seriously guys, the strawman is out of control.