The once great 4th Estate

Discussion in 'Congress' started by Navy1960, Oct 30, 2008.

  1. Navy1960
    Offline

    Navy1960 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2008
    Messages:
    5,821
    Thanks Received:
    1,188
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Arizona
    Ratings:
    +1,189
    "The most effectual engines for [pacifying a nation] are the public papers... [A despotic] government always [keeps] a kind of standing army of newswriters who, without any regard to truth or to what should be like truth, [invent] and put into the papers whatever might serve the ministers. This suffices with the mass of the people who have no means of distinguishing the false from the true paragraphs of a newspaper." --Thomas Jefferson to G. K. van Hogendorp, Oct. 13, 1785. (*) ME 5:181, Papers 8:632


    The Los Angeles Times has refused to release a video they received in which Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama is caught on tape praising an alleged advocate of the Palestinian Liberation Organization.

    Obama was attending a dinner that honored a colleague, Rashid Khalidi, who was at the University of Chicago during the same period as the presidential candidate. Khalidi has been an outspoken critic of the U.S. policy concerning Israel and has accused Israel of establishing an “apartheid system” of government that targeted Palestinians.

    Los Angeles Times Refuses to Release Video of Barack Obama

    A few years ago, Michael Finkel's journalism career was as dead as yesterday's newspaper because he had lied in an article for the New York Times Magazine. Today, the 36-year-old Bozeman, Mont., resident has banked a half- million dollar advance on his first book, sold its film rights to Brad Pitt's production company and has a year-old marriage with a baby on the way.

    After getting fired by the New York Times for lying in print, a reporter stumbled on the story of his life

    Our media institutions, deeply embedded in the power structures of society, are not providing the information that we need to make our democracy work. To put it another way, corporate media consolidation is a corrosive social force. It robs people of their voice in public affairs and pollutes the political culture. And it turns the debates about profound issues into a shouting match of polarized views promulgated by partisan apologists who trivialize democracy while refusing to speak the truth about how our country is being plundered.

    The new owner of the Tribune Company, real estate mogul Sam Zell, recently toured his new property Los Angeles Times, telling employees in the newsroom that the challenge is this: How do we get somebody 126 years old to get it up? "Well," said Zell, "I'm your Viagra."

    He told his journalists that he didn't have an editorial agenda or a perspective about newspapers' roles as civic institutions. "I'm a businessman," he said. "All what matters in the end is the bottom line."

    t r u t h o u t | Is the Fourth Estate a Fifth Column?


    All of us, you and I read and watch the media and listen daily to the blather from one side or the other as to who is the best candidate or why this bill is good and that one is bad etc. It has become increasingly obvious IMHO that the media has lost its objective ability to report the news in a fair manner and more so, lost is the obilgation that a Free Press has in this society to fairly report the news. With the ever increasing popularity of cable pundit sources like MSNBC, CNN, FOX people look to them more and more for their news. Now depending on what politcal party you happen to belong to that will more than likely will sway your viewing habits. My feelings are that none of these companies have met their obligation to the public to report to you and I in a fair and professional manner the news. More often than not it is scripted BLOGs that these pundits who in the guise of reporters deliver to the American public each day. The reasons for this are varied, but IMO it all comes down to corporate ratings. Ratings equals dollars and the more ratings the more dollars. So given that kind of environment, there would be no need to adhere to any professional standards. It is indeed a shame that the once great 4th estate in this country has now been assigned the same status as the tabliod pages in the supermarket checkout stand. When our press decides that the time has come to again adhere to the principle of ethics and realize their individual obligation to the American public , perhaps then it will again deserve the title of the 4th estate.
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  2. Navy1960
    Offline

    Navy1960 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2008
    Messages:
    5,821
    Thanks Received:
    1,188
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Arizona
    Ratings:
    +1,189
    The McCain campaign is demanding that the Los Angeles Times release a videotape it possesses of Sen. Barack Obama attending (and speaking) at a dinner for Rashid Khalidi, a Palestinian-American activist, many years ago when Obama was in the Illinois State Senate. Also at the dinner was the Weatherman co-founder William Ayers.

    ABC News: Donaldson: L.A. Times Should Protect Source on Obama Video

    Soon after Arnold Schwarzenegger entered the 2003 recall campaign, a tabloid publisher that was recruiting him as a consultant tried to suppress a risque 1983 Playboy video starring the future governor.

    The video, which had first aired years before on the Playboy Channel, shows him grabbing a scantily clad woman and making other sexually suggestive gestures.

    American Media Inc., publisher of the National Enquirer, paid Thomas Wells of Los Angeles $2,000 for a copy of the video under two agreements that barred him from discussing it with anyone but the company.

    After the Enquirer secured Wells’ tape in September 2003, the tabloid did not mention it in any articles. The video was being sold on the Internet at the time; it is not clear whether the company knew that when it made the purchase.

    The Wells contracts, reviewed by The Times, were at least the second instance of American Media paying for confidentiality agreements with people who might have been in positions to embarrass the candidate over his dealings with women.

    Tabloid Tried to Suppress Videotape - Los Angeles Times


    That from the same newspaper, now I won't comment on the in's and out's of what may be on the tape or not, but it does show that these media companies are in fact self serving and lacking any professional ethics.
     
  3. Ravi
    Offline

    Ravi Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2008
    Messages:
    81,332
    Thanks Received:
    12,695
    Trophy Points:
    2,205
    Location:
    Hating Hatters
    Ratings:
    +29,778
    If you want to know what's on the tape, read this article: McCain campaign accuses L.A. Times of 'suppressing' Obama video - Los Angeles Times

    I'm not sure how you've come to compare someone groping a woman (which, if not illegal is certainly unseemly) to someone speaking at a function. But then again, I'm not sure how McCain can explain his stupid dishonesty in making an issue about someone he himself has a relationship with.
     
  4. Navy1960
    Offline

    Navy1960 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2008
    Messages:
    5,821
    Thanks Received:
    1,188
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Arizona
    Ratings:
    +1,189
    Ravi, I think you should take the time to read the thread, and all the postings in context. The claim is not about the relationship between Obama and Kalhidi, it is rather how news media in general would censor news on a selective basis. You have an instance of a sitting Gov. and an instance of a Presidential candidate both in the public eye, both IMO should be equally and fairly reported upon. If this news outlet takes it upon themselves to take standards for one that they would not take for another then that is being selective for a perscribed purpose. Now I have read the LA Times article prior to my posting but thank you for providing the link anyway. However, that in no way shape or form excuses the LA Times from it's duty as a news outlet to fairly report the news. It was after all the LA Times itself that even mentioned that a tap existed, and if that tape was benign nature and wholly supportive of the article as written then there should be no reason why the same standards applied to one political figure should not be applied here. That was though not the whole reason for thsi thread, it was to point out that media in general has lost it's ability to be objective and therefor ro be ethical and professional.
     
  5. Ravi
    Offline

    Ravi Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2008
    Messages:
    81,332
    Thanks Received:
    12,695
    Trophy Points:
    2,205
    Location:
    Hating Hatters
    Ratings:
    +29,778
    Because
    Obama
    didn't
    do
    anything
    wrong.

    Ahnold groped someone.

    GMAFB.
     
  6. Navy1960
    Offline

    Navy1960 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2008
    Messages:
    5,821
    Thanks Received:
    1,188
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Arizona
    Ratings:
    +1,189
    Ravi, I really don't know how else to put this other than to say it would not matter if Arnold stubbed his toe, and Barack Obama was buying a new car. The content if not the issue. The issue is the standards of reporting. Ravi, public officials that are honestly reported on by the media, should be held to the same set of standards and ethics in reporting. The problem here, is that many assume, to what level deserves , what level of reporting. Thats called censorship Ravi. Again, this is not look into Barack Obama's relationship or Arnolds for that matter, it is a look into the media's responsibility to bring the news to you and I and let you and I decide, especially for a public official. When a media outlet leaves anything to be left for speculation , it leaves others the ability to question the validity of their reporting.
     
  7. Ravi
    Offline

    Ravi Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2008
    Messages:
    81,332
    Thanks Received:
    12,695
    Trophy Points:
    2,205
    Location:
    Hating Hatters
    Ratings:
    +29,778
    It saddens me to see that you don't actually understand the concept of censorship.

    I think the LA Times reasoning for not releasing the tape is perfectly valid, given that the man in question...Rashid Kaladi...is a respected member of the Palestinian community in the United States. This smear campaign to make him a terrorist is disgusting, frankly, and I'd be disappointed if the LA Times contributed to the smear. There's no reason to assassinate the character of ANYONE just because McCain wants to pretend Obama is a terrorist.
     
  8. Navy1960
    Offline

    Navy1960 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2008
    Messages:
    5,821
    Thanks Received:
    1,188
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Arizona
    Ratings:
    +1,189
    cen·sor·ship [ sénssər shìp ]


    noun

    Definition:

    1. suppression of published or broadcast material: the suppression of all or part of a play, movie, letter, or publication considered offensive or a threat to security


    2. suppression of something objectionable: the suppression or attempted suppression of something regarded as objectionable


    3. ancient Roman office: the office, authority, or term of an ancient Roman censor


    4. psychiatry suppression of memories: the suppression of potentially harmful memories, ideas, or desires from the conscious mind

    I am very well aware of what censorship is Ravi, and to withold information on a public official that a News organization has knowningly admitted to have in it's hands even if that information may be benign in nature is to censor that information. As the subject of Mr. Kaladi seems to take away from the overall concept of this thread then I will cite you even further examples of media have lost it's professionalism.

    The Associated Press said yesterday that it could not verify the existence of more than 45 people and a dozen organizations cited in news articles written by a reporter who was fired by The A.P. last month.

    The reporter, Christopher Newton, was dismissed on Sept. 16, eight days after the publication of an article on criminal justice statistics that quoted two people -- ''Ralph Myers'' of Stanford University and ''Bruce Fenmore of the Institute for Crime and Punishment in Chicago'' -- who could not be found. A.P. editors found no trace of the institute either.

    The news agency cited 40 articles with the dubious references, including the Sept. 8 article that led to its inquiry. The articles by Mr. Newton, who was covering the Justice Department at the time of his dismissal, covered subjects including education, civil liberties and stem cells.

    A.P. Says It Couldn't Find 45 of Fired Writer's Sources - New York Times

    Again the intent of this thread was not to call on Mr. Obama's associations but was simply to point out that the 4th estate as it relates to this election cycle and even further to that has no ethical standing. The LA Times issue is just one more example of that.
     

Share This Page