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You are saying that an Arab who converts to Judaism is no longer Arab. And I call bullshit.
No, an Argentine Jew is an Argentine that happens to practice Judaism, just as an Argentine Muslim is an Argentine that happens to practice Islam. In both cases they are culturally Argentine, speak Spanish write Spanish eat steak etc.
Exactly. So Jewish people can be culturally Jewish, you know, speaking Hebrew, and eating kosher and all the other things which make up a culture, of which religion is only a part.
On the contrary, the religion of Judaism is much more pervasive; "eating Kosher" is not a cultural phenomenon, it is an integral part of the religion's dietary laws. Without the religion, there is no "Jewish culture".
History of the Palestinians: A Land Without a People
No, an Argentine Jew is an Argentine that happens to practice Judaism, just as an Argentine Muslim is an Argentine that happens to practice Islam. In both cases they are culturally Argentine, speak Spanish write Spanish eat steak etc.
Exactly. So Jewish people can be culturally Jewish, you know, speaking Hebrew, and eating kosher and all the other things which make up a culture, of which religion is only a part.
On the contrary, the religion of Judaism is much more pervasive; "eating Kosher" is not a cultural phenomenon, it is an integral part of the religion's dietary laws. Without the religion, there is no "Jewish culture".
You are saying that an Arab who converts to Judaism is no longer Arab. And I call bullshit.
...and you'd be more or less right, although I see where Montelatici is coming from too. Conversion to Judaism does not change "race/ethnicity"; Jewish Europeans remain European, they certainly don't suddenly metamorphose into descendants of ancient Middle Easterners when they convert.
No, an Argentine Jew is an Argentine that happens to practice Judaism, just as an Argentine Muslim is an Argentine that happens to practice Islam. In both cases they are culturally Argentine, speak Spanish write Spanish eat steak etc.
Exactly. So Jewish people can be culturally Jewish, you know, speaking Hebrew, and eating kosher and all the other things which make up a culture, of which religion is only a part.
On the contrary, the religion of Judaism is much more pervasive; "eating Kosher" is not a cultural phenomenon, it is an integral part of the religion's dietary laws. Without the religion, there is no "Jewish culture".
No more pervasive than Islam, in fact, probably less so. A Jew from Italy has little in common with an Ashkenazi Jew or Sephardic Jew except religion. An Italian Jew eats Italian, speaks and reads Italian and even looks Italian. Kaifeng Jews (and Muslims) have only religion in common with Middle Eastern Jews and Muslims. Arab Jews, were culturally and linguistically just as Arab as Christian and Muslim Arabs. It's just a religion.
Indeed, those are the two core principles of the mandate system.Two governing principles formed the core of the Mandate System, being non-annexation of the territory and its administration as a “sacred trust of civilisation” to develop the territory for the benefit of its native people.[2]
From this post: Who are the Israelis?
Indeed, those are the two core principles of the mandate system.Two governing principles formed the core of the Mandate System, being non-annexation of the territory and its administration as a “sacred trust of civilisation” to develop the territory for the benefit of its native people.[2]
*From your link:
- The mandates did not annex the territories. Palestine was a state separate from the Mandate.*
- The Mandates held the territories in trust for the benefit of the people in their respective states.
A disagreement regarding the legal status and the portion of the annuities to be paid by the "A" mandates was settled when an Arbitrator ruled that some of the mandates contained more than one State:
The difficulty arises here how one is to regard the Asiatic countries under the British and French mandates. Iraq is a Kingdom in regard to which Great Britain has undertaken responsibilities equivalent to those of a Mandatory Power. Under the British mandate, Palestine and Transjordan have each an entirely separate organisation. We are, therefore, in the presence of three States sufficiently separate to be considered as distinct Parties. France has received a single mandate from the Council of the League of Nations, but in the countries subject to that mandate, one can distinguish two distinct States: Syria and the Lebanon, each State possessing its own constitution and a nationality clearly different from the other.[28]
Well the best way I can describe it is that the Jewish influence in London led to the Balfour Declaration which many Jews then took seriously and began their emigration from the UK and from Europe to the Levant asap.This thread was created in order to attempt to fix the significant derailment of another thread without having to delete posts.
The topic of this thread is one that comes up with regularity in IP, and is also a frequent derailer of active threads so it will now have a thread of it's own which will be pinned as a "stickie".
I apologize ahead of time for the bumpy discontinuous beginnig of this, but I think it will smooth out as discussion goes on.
The topic is: The history involving the creation of Israel, the British Mandate, and the applicable actions of the UN in that history.
The Palestinians left of their own accord in 1948 then realized too late their own stupidity for doing so.
They have been trying to fight their way back in ever since.
Never going to happen.
The Palestinians left of their own accord in 1948 then realized too late their own stupidity for doing so.
They have been trying to fight their way back in ever since.
Never going to happen.
It doesn't matter. The reason for leaving is irrelevant. The right to return applies without regard to the reason for leaving.
