The Obama Healthcare Law Will Not Be Repealed

[Flopper]

The new Obama healthcare legislation has a number of problems. At the top of list is inadequate Medicaid funding. There are also a number of other problems. Republicans and Teabaggers promise if elected they will repeal the law. This is simply not going to happen. It will be amended, probably more than once either by the Democrats or Republicans but not repealed.

If the Republicans gain control of the House, which is definitely a possible, the Senate, which will probably remain under Democratic control, will block any repeal. Even if Republicans control the Senate, Obama would certainly veto any repeal bill.

To override a presidential veto in the House, Republicans would have to pick up 109 seats. The lowest estimates are around 25 seats. The highest I have seen is a hundred. Most estimates are around 35 to 40. Picking up 109 is extremely unlikely. If a miracle occurred and the Republicans picked up sufficient seats in the House to override a presidential veto, they would still need to pick up 26 Senate seats, which would be nearly impossible. Lowest estimates are 4 to 5. 13 is the highest estimate I have seen, certainly no where near the 26 seats needed to override a veto.

The best hope for a Republican repeal is the election of a Republican president along with a Republican congress. If this happened, the Republican president and Congress would be seated in 2013 only months before the bulk of the healthcare bill would go into effect. With the entire healthcare industry and insurance industry geared up for the change, it would be too late to repeal it.
Congress by the numbers, 111th Congress, 2nd Session. From TheCapitol.Net,
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[The Infidel]

yes it will





that is all

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Also, all those republican senators and congressmen don't want to repeal it. They all got what they wanted out of it.

 

[Full-Auto]

The new Obama healthcare legislation has a number of problems. At the top of list is inadequate Medicaid funding. There are also a number of other problems. Republicans and Teabaggers promise if elected they will repeal the law. This is simply not going to happen. It will be amended, probably more than once either by the Democrats or Republicans but not repealed.

If the Republicans gain control of the House, which is definitely a possible, the Senate, which will probably remain under Democratic control, will block any repeal. Even if Republicans control the Senate, Obama would certainly veto any repeal bill.

To override a presidential veto in the House, Republicans would have to pick up 109 seats. The lowest estimates are around 25 seats. The highest I have seen is a hundred. Most estimates are around 35 to 40. Picking up 109 is extremely unlikely. If a miracle occurred and the Republicans picked up sufficient seats in the House to override a presidential veto, they would still need to pick up 26 Senate seats, which would be nearly impossible. Lowest estimates are 4 to 5. 13 is the highest estimate I have seen, certainly no where near the 26 seats needed to override a veto.

The best hope for a Republican repeal is the election of a Republican president along with a Republican congress. If this happened, the Republican president and Congress would be seated in 2013 only months before the bulk of the healthcare bill would go into effect. With the entire healthcare industry and insurance industry geared up for the change, it would be too late to repeal it.
Congress by the numbers, 111th Congress, 2nd Session. From TheCapitol.Net,
Veto override - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Execellent points. We should add though, it is highly unlikely it will pass constitutional muster. The mandate will be thrown out. So a change in the name of the bill would be appropriate.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

The new Obama healthcare legislation has a number of problems. At the top of list is inadequate Medicaid funding. There are also a number of other problems. Republicans and Teabaggers promise if elected they will repeal the law. This is simply not going to happen. It will be amended, probably more than once either by the Democrats or Republicans but not repealed.

If the Republicans gain control of the House, which is definitely a possible, the Senate, which will probably remain under Democratic control, will block any repeal. Even if Republicans control the Senate, Obama would certainly veto any repeal bill.

To override a presidential veto in the House, Republicans would have to pick up 109 seats. The lowest estimates are around 25 seats. The highest I have seen is a hundred. Most estimates are around 35 to 40. Picking up 109 is extremely unlikely. If a miracle occurred and the Republicans picked up sufficient seats in the House to override a presidential veto, they would still need to pick up 26 Senate seats, which would be nearly impossible. Lowest estimates are 4 to 5. 13 is the highest estimate I have seen, certainly no where near the 26 seats needed to override a veto.

The best hope for a Republican repeal is the election of a Republican president along with a Republican congress. If this happened, the Republican president and Congress would be seated in 2013 only months before the bulk of the healthcare bill would go into effect. With the entire healthcare industry and insurance industry geared up for the change, it would be too late to repeal it.
Congress by the numbers, 111th Congress, 2nd Session. From TheCapitol.Net,
Veto override - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Execellent points. We should add though, it is highly unlikely it will pass constitutional muster. The mandate will be thrown out. So a change in the name of the bill would be appropriate.

That's not going to happen either.

 

[WillowTree]

Whoever wrote that article forgot to mention all the lawsuits and court battles that lie ahead. You cannot mandate people or states to pay for a service they cannot afford.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

yes it will





that is all

Another stunning logical proof from Infield.

 

[iggy pop]

Progressive Liberal ideas. So Good, they have to be mandated.

 

[Full-Auto]

The new Obama healthcare legislation has a number of problems. At the top of list is inadequate Medicaid funding. There are also a number of other problems. Republicans and Teabaggers promise if elected they will repeal the law. This is simply not going to happen. It will be amended, probably more than once either by the Democrats or Republicans but not repealed.

If the Republicans gain control of the House, which is definitely a possible, the Senate, which will probably remain under Democratic control, will block any repeal. Even if Republicans control the Senate, Obama would certainly veto any repeal bill.

To override a presidential veto in the House, Republicans would have to pick up 109 seats. The lowest estimates are around 25 seats. The highest I have seen is a hundred. Most estimates are around 35 to 40. Picking up 109 is extremely unlikely. If a miracle occurred and the Republicans picked up sufficient seats in the House to override a presidential veto, they would still need to pick up 26 Senate seats, which would be nearly impossible. Lowest estimates are 4 to 5. 13 is the highest estimate I have seen, certainly no where near the 26 seats needed to override a veto.

The best hope for a Republican repeal is the election of a Republican president along with a Republican congress. If this happened, the Republican president and Congress would be seated in 2013 only months before the bulk of the healthcare bill would go into effect. With the entire healthcare industry and insurance industry geared up for the change, it would be too late to repeal it.
Congress by the numbers, 111th Congress, 2nd Session. From TheCapitol.Net,
Veto override - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Execellent points. We should add though, it is highly unlikely it will pass constitutional muster. The mandate will be thrown out. So a change in the name of the bill would be appropriate.

That's not going to happen either.

Yes it will. I have to believe freedom is more important. But we do have a big government court.

 

[Missourian]

It will be repealed in 2012 after Obama is shown the door, if the legal system hasn't deemed it unconstitutional first.

No one wants Obamacare...the Libs think it's a givaway to the insurance companies and the Reps think it's a boondoggle that subverts Americans freedom of choice.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

It will be repealed in 2012 when Obama is shown the door, if the legal system hasn't deemed it unconstitutional first.

If it helps you sleep at night to believe that, feel free to.

 

[Missourian]

It will be repealed in 2012 when Obama is shown the door, if the legal system hasn't deemed it unconstitutional first.

If it helps you sleep at night to believe that, feel free to.

Lol...I was thinking the same thing about your position.

 

[iggy pop]

It will be repealed in 2012 after Obama is shown the door, if the legal system hasn't deemed it unconstitutional first.

No one wants Obamacare...the Libs think it's a givaway to the insurance companies and the Reps think it's a boondoggle that subverts Americans freedom of choice.

It was a political feather for Obama to wear in his cap. It's a sell out to insurance and big pharma. It ins't reform at all.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

It will be repealed in 2012 when Obama is shown the door, if the legal system hasn't deemed it unconstitutional first.

If it helps you sleep at night to believe that, feel free to.

Lol...I was thinking the same thing about your position.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no supporter of the Healthcare bill. But it's not going to get repealed.

 

[Tom Clancy]

mhmm, because Repealing the ability for people to get treated without the fear of having Pre-existing conditions is so smart..

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[Full-Auto]

mhmm, because Repealing the ability for people to get treated without the fear of having Pre-existing conditions is so smart..

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If any of it is repealed, I doubt they include everything. As another poster pointed out it will be difficult. The GOP has already said the first assault on the nightmare will be not funding it.

 

[Missourian]

If it helps you sleep at night to believe that, feel free to.

Lol...I was thinking the same thing about your position.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no supporter of the Healthcare bill. But it's not going to get repealed.

I understand. But I don't agree. It's the Law of Intended Consequences.

The Republicans came out with their Pledge With America today and number 3 of 5 was:

Third comes health care, where the Republicans say they “will immediately take action to repeal” Obamacare. They also plan to work toward their own health-care reforms, including medical-malpractice reform, freedom to buy health insurance across state lines, and better-funded high-risk pools for people with pre-existing conditions. They also promise to enact a law banning federal funding of abortion. That would strengthen the existing Hyde amendment, which applies only to a portion of federal spending and has to be renewed every year. (Here, too, the pledge goes beyond the Contract, which steered clear of all “social issues.&#8221
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We?ll Take the Pledge - The Editors - National Review Online
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Now where are the intended consequences you ask?

It's all the Republican incumbents that won't be returning to the General Election this year for an encore performance...

The one think you can rely on from politicians of all stripe, whether Democrat or Republican, is their finely honed survival instinct. They all now know that not doing what they say they're going to do will earn them a primary loss with a complimentary non-stop ticket out of the marble halls of power.

This above all others is the most important gift the Tea Party has bestowed...a message delivered by ballot that no ones seat is a safe seat.

 

[Flopper]

It will be repealed in 2012 when Obama is shown the door, if the legal system hasn't deemed it unconstitutional first.

If it helps you sleep at night to believe that, feel free to.

Lol...I was thinking the same thing about your position.

The Supreme Court Justices have not struck down a major piece of legislation, let alone a president's signature initiative, as beyond Congress's power to regulate commerce in some 75 years. Walter Dellinger, a leading scholar and the acting solicitor general under President Clinton, foresees an 8-1 vote, with only arch-conservative Justice Clarence Thomas voting to strike down the new law. Tom Goldstein, another leading Supreme Court litigator, foresees a vote of at least 7-2.
Will the Supreme Court Strike Down Healthcare Reform?
Mandated Health-Care Socialism | The Freeman | Ideas On Liberty


Some argue that government can't mandate that citizens buy insurance. Both Hawaii and Massachusetts have mandated healthcare insurance. Every state now mandates liability auto insurance. Local government mandates we pay school taxes even though we have no kids in school. Government requires citizens pay for a lot of things that they see no possible benefit.

Mandated Health-Care Socialism | The Freeman | Ideas On Liberty

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Execellent points. We should add though, it is highly unlikely it will pass constitutional muster. The mandate will be thrown out. So a change in the name of the bill would be appropriate.

That's not going to happen either.

I disagree. I think it will get struck down, or at least the mandate part. Justice Kennedy made a comment a few months back that he didn't intend on retiring from the SCOTUS until Obama was out of office because he was disturbed by the direction he has been taking in the White House (not exact words, but more or less what he said). That tells me there is a better than 50/50 probability that Kennedy will vote to strike down the mandate and you know the other four Republicans definitely will.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

yes it will





that is all

It won't. The Republicans don't have the stones to repeal. You'll see.