The Myth of the Moderate Muslim

[ScreamingEagle]

How long have they been in Europe? The second generation is just coming of age. They aren't going to want to go back to living in the Middle Ages. The only thing that keeps the conservatives going is the abiilty to point to comments like yours and say, "see, they hate us". I consider myself to have more in common with that second generation than the Islamic conservatives OR you.

This is a picture of the "new generation" at work......does it look like they are assimilating...?

One picture? Of the LOSERS no less?!?! The people I'm talking about are at work, helping their families and living like the rest of us.

one picture of young people....the next generation no less......of course most working people are at work....however.....name one muslim believer who does NOT believe in sharia law......

 

[ScreamingEagle]

This is a picture of the "new generation" at work......does it look like they are assimilating...?

One picture? Of the LOSERS no less?!?! The people I'm talking about are at work, helping their families and living like the rest of us.

Here is a group of radical Christians who engage in terrorism.

Do they represent you Screaming Eagle?

of course they do not represent me...

You tell me where in the New Testament it says to kill others......?

 

[konradv]

This is a picture of the "new generation" at work......does it look like they are assimilating...?

One picture? Of the LOSERS no less?!?! The people I'm talking about are at work, helping their families and living like the rest of us.

one picture of young people....the next generation no less......of course most working people are at work....however.....name one muslim believer who does NOT believe in sharia law......

Salman Rusdie!!!

Rushdie calls for a reform in Islam[46] in a guest opinion piece printed in The Washington Post and The Times in mid-August 2005. Excerpts from his speech:

What is needed is a move beyond tradition, nothing less than a reform movement to bring the core concepts of Islam into the modern age, a Muslim Reformation to combat not only the jihadist ideologues but also the dusty, stifling seminaries of the traditionalists, throwing open the windows to let in much-needed fresh air. (...) It is high time, for starters, that Muslims were able to study the revelation of their religion as an event inside history, not supernaturally above it. (...) Broad-mindedness is related to tolerance; open-mindedness is the sibling of peace.

Muslims unite! A new Reformation will bring your faith into the modern era | Salman Rushdie - Times Online 11 August 2005

Now do us a favor and STFU, wuss.

 

[Dr.Drock]

Big deal....there is a New Testatment.....where's the NEW Koran......?

It's the same God in both testaments right? The God you worship and devote your life to makes Hitler look like a teletubby.

you obviously do not know Jesus Christ....

Jesus is God right?

God is one of the most murderous assholes any story has ever talked about. Women, children, babies, no matter how innocent have all been killed by the million by God according to the Bible.

 

[High_Gravity]

Sharia law is a joke.

 

[rightwinger]

One picture? Of the LOSERS no less?!?! The people I'm talking about are at work, helping their families and living like the rest of us.

Here is a group of radical Christians who engage in terrorism.

Do they represent you Screaming Eagle?

of course they do not represent me...

You tell me where in the New Testament it says to kill others......?

Christians believe in more than the New Testament. KKK is a radical Christian organization based on using terrorism to gain its objectives in the name of Christ.

Just like there are hundreds of millions of Christians who denounce the KKK, there are a billion of Muslims who denounce Muslim terrorism

 

[Dr.Drock]

Here is a group of radical Christians who engage in terrorism.

Do they represent you Screaming Eagle?

of course they do not represent me...

You tell me where in the New Testament it says to kill others......?

Christians believe in more than the New Testament. KKK is a radical Christian organization based on using terrorism to gain its objectives in the name of Christ.

Just like there are hundreds of millions of Christians who denounce the KKK, there are a billion of Muslims who denounce Muslim terrorism

Well said.

Oh and btw I wish christians only cared about the new testament, maybe then having the book of Genesis forced into science classes wouldn't be so important to them.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

One picture? Of the LOSERS no less?!?! The people I'm talking about are at work, helping their families and living like the rest of us.

one picture of young people....the next generation no less......of course most working people are at work....however.....name one muslim believer who does NOT believe in sharia law......

Salman Rusdie!!!

Rushdie calls for a reform in Islam[46] in a guest opinion piece printed in The Washington Post and The Times in mid-August 2005. Excerpts from his speech:

What is needed is a move beyond tradition, nothing less than a reform movement to bring the core concepts of Islam into the modern age, a Muslim Reformation to combat not only the jihadist ideologues but also the dusty, stifling seminaries of the traditionalists, throwing open the windows to let in much-needed fresh air. (...) It is high time, for starters, that Muslims were able to study the revelation of their religion as an event inside history, not supernaturally above it. (...) Broad-mindedness is related to tolerance; open-mindedness is the sibling of peace.

Muslims unite! A new Reformation will bring your faith into the modern era | Salman Rushdie - Times Online 11 August 2005

Now do us a favor and STFU, wuss.

Open your mind peabrain....there is always an exception that proves the rule....

However, Rushdie is considered a renegade by like 99% of Muslims....he's even got a fatwa out on him to kill him....

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Here is a group of radical Christians who engage in terrorism.

Do they represent you Screaming Eagle?

of course they do not represent me...

You tell me where in the New Testament it says to kill others......?

Christians believe in more than the New Testament. KKK is a radical Christian organization based on using terrorism to gain its objectives in the name of Christ.

Just like there are hundreds of millions of Christians who denounce the KKK, there are a billion of Muslims who denounce Muslim terrorism

Your example of the KKK is out of line.....Christians do not promote killing....

Those who may denounce physical jihad promote stealth jihad instead....

 

[ScreamingEagle]

It's the same God in both testaments right? The God you worship and devote your life to makes Hitler look like a teletubby.

you obviously do not know Jesus Christ....

Jesus is God right?

God is one of the most murderous assholes any story has ever talked about. Women, children, babies, no matter how innocent have all been killed by the million by God according to the Bible.

In the 20th Century more people....millions upon millions....were killed by murdering asshole atheist fascists and commies....

 

[Dr.Drock]

of course they do not represent me...

You tell me where in the New Testament it says to kill others......?

Christians believe in more than the New Testament. KKK is a radical Christian organization based on using terrorism to gain its objectives in the name of Christ.

Just like there are hundreds of millions of Christians who denounce the KKK, there are a billion of Muslims who denounce Muslim terrorism

Your example of the KKK is out of line.....Christians do not promote killing....

Those who may denounce physical jihad promote stealth jihad instead....

The Q'uran also says killing one man is like killing all of humanity.

Islam, Christianity all can be evil. Just depends on what part of it you take seriously and what parts you try to talk your way around having to follow.

Luckily for the most part neither muslim or christians feel it's their job to kill non-believers like their texts order them too, for the most part they only take the happy parts literally.

 

[rightwinger]

of course they do not represent me...

You tell me where in the New Testament it says to kill others......?

Christians believe in more than the New Testament. KKK is a radical Christian organization based on using terrorism to gain its objectives in the name of Christ.

Just like there are hundreds of millions of Christians who denounce the KKK, there are a billion of Muslims who denounce Muslim terrorism

Your example of the KKK is out of line.....Christians do not promote killing....

Those who may denounce physical jihad promote stealth jihad instead....

Do you speak for a billion muslims?

Why do you hate so much? Does it make your personal beliefs stronger by attacking the beliefs of others? I can assure you that Muslims love their religion as much as you do.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Dakota Voice/Gina Miller/3-8-11

You have seen the result of looking @ Islam through anything but darkly tinted rose colored glasses.
You will not find a free thinker who has the will to find out who, exhibits rational doubt about prevailing intellectual fashions, who is committed to truth and critical thought.
If they were true intellectuals their criticism and search from truth would not stop at Islam. Islam can not be investigated.
Mention Islam and the knee jerking begins

This is not just the uniformed illiterate left on the street it goes to the right and to the highest levels of the government and "educations institutes"
They are the new useful idiots .
A clamoring herd of intellectual cowards.


What was common knowledge about Islam 100 years ago has been replaced with political correct drivel .

 

[Dr.Drock]

you obviously do not know Jesus Christ....

Jesus is God right?

God is one of the most murderous assholes any story has ever talked about. Women, children, babies, no matter how innocent have all been killed by the million by God according to the Bible.

In the 20th Century more people....millions upon millions....were killed by murdering asshole atheist fascists and commies....

I thought the subject was God, if your point is humans can naturally become ugly murderers than I agree. Irregardless of religion people will do horrible things to each other.

However I don't see religions devoted to Stalin, but I do see them devoted to the God who did the same things as him.

 

[8537]

you are the batshit crazy one....tell us how the Christian Ten Commandments are in any way comparable to Islam Sharia Law......

Shall we quote some old testament for ya?

Big deal....there is a New Testatment.....where's the NEW Koran......?

So does the new Testament void all the batshit craziness in the old Testament?

What of the Jews, who don't believe in the New Testament?

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Christians believe in more than the New Testament. KKK is a radical Christian organization based on using terrorism to gain its objectives in the name of Christ.

Just like there are hundreds of millions of Christians who denounce the KKK, there are a billion of Muslims who denounce Muslim terrorism

Your example of the KKK is out of line.....Christians do not promote killing....

Those who may denounce physical jihad promote stealth jihad instead....

Do you speak for a billion muslims?

Why do you hate so much? Does it make your personal beliefs stronger by attacking the beliefs of others? I can assure you that Muslims love their religion as much as you do.

What do the actions of a billion people have to do with what is in the Koran and the Hadiths?

Do all Buddhists reach nirvana as is taught by their faith?

Do all Christians become saints?

The shaheed (martyr) is the highest of high in Islam in the eyes of Allah. Just because not all Muslims are mujahedeen does not change the fact that jihad is an intrinsic part of the religion.

 

[bodecea]

Dakota Voice/Gina Miller/3-8-11

You have seen the result of looking @ Islam through anything but darkly tinted rose colored glasses.
You will not find a free thinker who has the will to find out who, exhibits rational doubt about prevailing intellectual fashions, who is committed to truth and critical thought.
If they were true intellectuals their criticism and search from truth would not stop at Islam. Islam can not be investigated.
Mention Islam and the knee jerking begins

This is not just the uniformed illiterate left on the street it goes to the right and to the highest levels of the government and "educations institutes"
They are the new useful idiots .
A clamoring herd of intellectual cowards.


What was common knowledge about Islam 100 years ago has been replaced with political correct drivel .

Yes. Yes. Yes. We know. You think they're ALL out to get us.

 

[rightwinger]

Your example of the KKK is out of line.....Christians do not promote killing....

Those who may denounce physical jihad promote stealth jihad instead....

Do you speak for a billion muslims?

Why do you hate so much? Does it make your personal beliefs stronger by attacking the beliefs of others? I can assure you that Muslims love their religion as much as you do.

What do the actions of a billion people have to do with what is in the Koran and the Hadiths?

Do all Buddhists reach nirvana as is taught by their faith?

Do all Christians become saints?

The shaheed (martyr) is the highest of high in Islam in the eyes of Allah. Just because not all Muslims are mujahedeen does not change the fact that jihad is an intrinsic part of the religion.

Then isn't their jihad in the eyes of their creator? Many evil deeds were done in the name of Jesus Christ. Does not make them right and does not mean that Jesus supported them

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Jesus is God right?

God is one of the most murderous assholes any story has ever talked about. Women, children, babies, no matter how innocent have all been killed by the million by God according to the Bible.

In the 20th Century more people....millions upon millions....were killed by murdering asshole atheist fascists and commies....

I thought the subject was God, if your point is humans can naturally become ugly murderers than I agree. Irregardless of religion people will do horrible things to each other.

However I don't see religions devoted to Stalin, but I do see them devoted to the God who did the same things as him.

Belief is Belief......religious or not....

Muslims believe in Sharia Law.....this is not "moderate"....at least not in America....

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Islam: The World's Most Dangerous Ideology
Political USA
29 April 2004
Dorothy Anne Seese

The nation of Israel is a nearly sixty year old sore spot in the present-day Middle East, it costs American taxpayers a lot of money to support (billions per year), it's the focus of dispensational Christian theology, but ... Israel can take care of itself. Really. All the US has to do is say "sic 'em" and walk away.

The US has a major problem with its role in the present world conflict because it has a religious underpinning in Islamic theology that has again reared its head. The Ottoman Empire was not defeated in 1918, at the end of World War I. The Arab/Islamic nations simply split up, some being created by Britain and/or the useless League of Nations (predecessor to the useless United Nations) and went on being Islamic nations, Arab or not. The most secularized nation of the former Ottoman Empire, Turkey, underwent massive transitions toward westernization under Ataturk, but Islam is still the primary religion of the people even though Turkey has no state religion. Turkish people are not Arabic in ethnicity, although they have a significant Arab population with a growing pro-Islamic population.

As to the balance of the Middle East, including and focusing on times with the holy cities of Islam Mecca and Medina in Saudi Arabia, Islam is the national religion. But Islamic peoples aren't staying at home.

The migration of the Muslims into England, Ireland, France, Germany and other European nations, including the territory in Spain once occupied by the Moors of North Africa (Islamic people), and into nations in the Western Hemisphere (primarily the United States) the world has an enormous problem with an idelology/religion of conquest and conversion at sword's point.

When the American press speaks of the Arab nations, they are careful to avoid the religious implications lest the jihad or holy war become exposed for what it really is: a worldwide movement by Islam to migrate, settle, acquire wealth and power by numbers, and procede with the Islamic agenda of world domination. "Islamic radicals" is the term used to differentiate actively terrorist Islamics from those who are not yet active.

This just isn't being given the press it deserves because America and Europe are in the "do not offend" mode of classic national stupidity which arrests all preventative action until eventually peaceful resolution is no longer possible and bloodshed occurs. To Islam, the West represents the focus and home base of Christianity regardless of where it was really birthed, in the Middle East. It was in the West that Christianity grew, and both Judaism and Christianity are to Islam mortal enemies to be eradicated.

The US has done its best to appease the Islamics, which includes allowing them to migrate into the US as students or tourists and simply become a part of the population. In any jihad, it is clear that the Islamic beliefs will dominate any alternative course of action on the part of the Muslim population, like neutrality, which would be treason to the cause of Allah.

For the life of me I cannot understand the US policy that I've viewed since the last days of Franklin Delano Roosevelt through the Truman administration and on into the present day, consisting of no-win partial war and grand appeasement of our enemies. To me, the United States is a sovereign nation and can alter its immigration laws as it pleases. Apparently it pleases the leadership of the US to ignore the world ambitions of Islam, since Arab nations sit on the world's major source of oil. If another nation did that, our media would accuse them of selling out their country for profit. A few American writers have expressed that opinion, but fairly quietly.

Islam as a threat to the world around it is over 1400 years old, dating back to the seventh century A.D. By the year 1,000 A.D. the advanced Persian civilization, with medicine, astronomy, advanced mathematics, literature and other marks of civilization was plunged back into the darkest of dark ages by the advance of Islam. Even Omar Khayyam had to flee to Samarkand to avoid the Assassins, which name has been transliterated into the English language. Its origin is in Islam, the name being assigned to hit squads of Muslim "radicals" who carried out a religious contract against any opposition leader or popular figure.

Whether the United States maintains its secular status as a free society for all religious beliefs, which is the sum of the First Amendment religion clause, Islam is not a party to any treaty with either secular or religious nations. It has one doctrine: conquer for Allah. If the American leadership believes it has a bunch of Ataturk clones in the present-day Arab dictators or warlords, it is dead wrong and many Americans are dead in wars with these folks who are so peaceful.

Americans insist on producing and using conventional weapons of warfare, a useless and bloody way to fight an ideology. The early Christians grew under intense persecution, that's the way ideologies are. National wars are fought with conventional weaponry, nation against nation until one surrenders. That is not the course of ideological warfare.

This is not a diatribe designed to spawn hatred of any religion, it is merely an analysis of the times, trends and events that are affecting all our lives and the factors of which the world and the United States must be wary in order to be able to protect what few freedoms we have left (compared to the freedoms our forefathers enjoyed prior to World War I). Americans are notoriously ill-informed when it comes to the various threats to its people and its national security, finding enemies where there is little proof that they exist as such, and not finding enemies in nations or in ideologies that are capable of bringing down our nation and killing millions of our people.

Call it terrorism if you like, certainly the basis of Islam fits the description of terrorism but not every Muslim subscribes to volunteering as a terrorist. At least not willingly. So far, all the terrorists have been Islamic, that doesn't mean they always will be. Nor does the fact that many Muslims are peaceful neighbors mean they always will be. Right now, Islam is still the world's most dangerous ideology. Europeans and Americans need to recognize that publicly and begin to unwind the coils of Islam present in the various Western world's countries. Otherwise, the growth and spread of Islam will continue until it is the world's dominant force. Personally, I think it will be contained prior to that time, but that may only be wishful thinking.