The Muslims' Honor Killings

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    These honor killings--done in the name of religion--make about as much sense as the belief that a warrior for Allah is going to be rewarded in heaven with 72 virgins "ever ready".

    In the Name of honor
    By Kathryn Jean Lopez, National Review
    July 1, 2006

    Samaira Nazir was brutally and needlessly murdered. The 25-year-old in Southall, England, was killed in April of last year by her 30-year-old businessman brother -- all in the name of "honor." He stabbed her, cutting her throat in front of his young children, ages 2 and 4.

    Samaira had turned down family arrangements for marriage and ultimately fell for another man, an Afghan her family said was from the wrong -- lower -- caste. As a prosecutor put it, "It would appear she lost her life for loving the wrong man."

    for full article:
    http://www.townhall.com/columnists/KathrynJeanLopez/2006/07/01/in_the_name_of-honor Scroll down until you come to her column.
     
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    In India, for example, more than 5,000 brides die annually because their dowries are considered insufficient, according to the United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF). Crimes of passion, which are treated extremely leniently in Latin America, are the same thing with a different name, some rights advocates say.

    "In countries where Islam is practiced, they're called honor killings, but dowry deaths and so-called crimes of passion have a similar dynamic in that the women are killed by male family members and the crimes are perceived as excusable or understandable," said Widney Brown, advocacy director for Human Rights Watch.

    The practice, she said, "goes across cultures and across religions."

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/02/0212_020212_honorkilling.html


    Is Muslim woman overvalued as a Indian woman or Latin American woman?
     
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    Interesting article, Canavar. But I would question the truthfulness of the above statement. In America men frequently kill their wives, and sometimes women kill their husbands, but these are not honor killings done in the name of religion. More likely, thinking of each as "personal property" enters into the picture here.
     
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    Sorry but i do not agree.
    IN which part i do not agree is that this is a Muslim practice.

    It has something to do with century-long rural practices. The philosophy that a woman when she does this or that (subjective assessed by her family) brings dishonor and disgrace to the family.

    In this tribal/rural philosophy there isn't even sisterhood or "woman solidarity" by for example sister to sister or mother to daughter as for example these Mothers or sisters are raised by the same rural Honor-concept as men.
    Whilst some women are killed for bringing shame on her family with extra-marital sex, or also being raped even a women who is the subject of rumors or speculations can also become a victim.
    This is a war against an army of ignorant people with tribal and rural belives.
    And the bad thing is, that the statistics are somewhat misleading as there are many girls who do suicide.
    These woman live in an environment where they are compeled and have no option besides than suicide.
    Mainly in this rural families the youngest son is chosen as the murder of her sister. So many Sister's in avoidance of her younger brother going to jail make suicide not lkeaving the task for her younger brother.

    This is a sistematic reducing woman to objects. Granting them no education by their families, locking them in houses and rooms and give her pecise behaving-codexes.
    Gender equality needs to be taught to both sexis from a very early age. Children usually copy what their mothers and fathers are teaching them.

    Before tribal and rural men do not understand that mistreating woman is an error nothing will change. And religion has nothing to do with this.
    There are states where judiciary parctices in favor of the commiter and not the victim. In such states this concept has to be changed in favour of the victim. And most women do not even kno what rights they have as they are jailed by their families. Deepest tribalism. So they are ignorant about their legal rights putting family codexes as non-plus-ultra.



    http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=26317

    In North-Iraq situation is even darkener. And you wouldn't call Kurds in Iraq "Islam-Practicers" or would you as they are till now yet your allies. Be honest.
     
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    Hmmm--Imagine American feminazis going global. :eek2:
     
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    argue with the NY Times, everyone does, they are addressing the killings regarding Islamic Turkey:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/16/world/europe/16turkey.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

     
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    Look at the following source. It is kurdish source.
    http://www.kurdmedia.com/news.asp?id=12736


    Also the city called Batman which NYTIMES is talking about lies also in Southeast:
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    But you have to see in everything the good. At least under Turkish kurds there is no female genital mutilation like it is in North-Iraq
    http://www.kwahk.org/index.asp?id=72

    It is this thing with cutting the clitoris with a razor and then stich up female genital. This stitch up is only removed when girl is being married.
     
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    I think you should believe the Christiansciencemonitor.

    http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0810/p06s01-woiq.html




    Also a good read:

    Cash for women’s blood affair
    http://www.kurdmedia.com/articles.asp?id=12814
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    So, is it religion or backwarded rural Tribalism-philosophy ?
     

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