The Money People say Climate Change is NOT AN ISSUE

[Old Rocks]

Now you are a real dummy there, Whitey. Care to back anything you are stating with data from real scientists?

 

[skookerasbil]

Now does that say that climate change itself is not an issue?

4 trillion dollars is not an issue?

And look at where they are talking about government policy.

What they are saying is that the governments need to be more coordinated and proactive in creating policy to deal with climate change.

Exactly the opposite of what you claim. And this is from their site.
Trillions of dollars at stake from climate change

Climate change increases uncertainty for long term institutional investors and as such, needs to be pro-actively managed.
Investment opportunities in low carbon technologies could reach $5 trillion.
The cost of impacts on the physical environment, health and food security could exceed $4 trillion. Climate change related policy changes could increase the cost of carbon emissions by as much as $8 trillion.
Increasing allocation to “climate sensitive” assets will help to mitigate risks and capture new opportunities.
Engagement with policy makers is crucial for institutional investors to pro-actively manage the potential costs of delayed and poorly co-ordinated climate policy action.
Policy developments at the country level will produce new investment opportunities as well as risks that need to be constantly monitored.
The EU and China/East Asia are set to lead investment in low carbon technology and efficiency improvements over the coming decades.

Of course 4 trillion is at stake............and many of these multi-nationals that have invested mega bucks into green economy technology are shitting their pantswhile climate policy action has been "poorly coordinated". Poorly coordinated........laugh...........my............balls..............off. Hey..........the climate policy religion is one of the best coordinated efforts in the history of mankind. These people involved in the "poorly coordinated" policy action are just not happy that the process has stalled because the foundation of the scam has been cracked to the core. And they should............think about any entity investing in beta-max technology in 2011 on a theory that is now consistently made fun of even in the major media and lacks support of the public!!!

 

[skookerasbil]

http://www.realscientists.co.uk/index.html

 

[Old Rocks]

Now Kooky, no one expect any kind of intelligent reply from you, and you have never disappointed anyone by posting one.

 

[Mini 14]

A trillion here, a trillion there, and pretty soon you're talking about real money.

4 trillion is nothing.

Not even a drop in the bucket.

 

[Old Rocks]

My, my, that is quite a step up from 40 billion. Mini, you are a bit of a dumbkof troll.

 

[skookerasbil]

Now Kooky, no one expect any kind of intelligent reply from you, and you have never disappointed anyone by posting one.

Hmmmm...............indeed.

Is that why 90% of the time I post something up, you jump out of your socks to post up some drivel to refute it? My latest "LISTS II" thread.........you couldnt get in there fast enough to try to pour cold water over it. In fact, the effort could be described as rather desperate s0n.............

 

[skookerasbil]

By the way................take a gondor and check out this link which exposes the exceedingly close relationship between the IPCC and the emerging geoengineering industry.............


Global governance on geoengineering has a history of profiteering. See, e.g., Chief sponsor of landmark climate manipulation conference maintains close financial ties to controversial geo-engineering company, by Joe Romm, Climate Progress, 18 Mar 2010. For a partial list of patents for stratospheric aerial spraying programs from 1917 thru mid-2003, see Lori Kramer’s Patently Obvious: A Partial History of Aerosol and Weather Related Technologies.”

In CASE ORANGE: Contrail Science, Its Impact on Climate and Weather Manipulation Programs Conducted by the United States and Its Allies,” researchers revealed that “the proposed scenario by the IPCC in 2001 is identical to the claims” in Hughes Aircraft’s 1991 patent. Hughes was acquired by Raytheon, a major defense contractor, in 1997.

Delivery systems aren’t the only types of patents related to chemtrails. Aluminum is part of the various metal-chemical cocktails sprayed and is highly toxic to plants, therefore representing a serious threat to normal agriculture. For over thirteen years, biotech scientists have researched aluminum resistant genes in plants, finally isolating one in 2007. Today, a “new generation of genetically engineered crop research” seeks to develop aluminum-resistance in commercial crops.

Environmental watchdog ETC Group* notes in its 56-page report, “Geopiracy: The Case Against Geoengineering,” that, “there is a complex web of connections between big capital and the global technofixers, comprised of researchers, multinational corporations and small start-ups, the military establishment and respected think tanks, policy makers and politicians. The non-profit institutions that promote geoengineering are well connected with the private sector.”

On December 6th, energy and environmental ministers from around the world began meeting to discuss a “balanced package of decisions.” Louise Gray at The Telegraph advises, “It is generally agreed that a global deal to cut emissions is unlikely.”

Instead, these UN meetings on climate change appear to be more about protecting pollutive industry practices and promoting another environmentally toxic industry: geoengineering. It would almost be laughable except for the homicidal and ecocidal affect of such plans.[/B]

UN Climate Concern Morphs into Chemtrail Glee Club | Old-Thinker News




The hopelessly naive climate change k00ks in here think this is about temperture change science........

 

[Old Rocks]

Now Kooky, we never expected you to be anything but in the tinfoil hat brigade.

 

[skookerasbil]

Record cold expected at the Oscars tonight..........people freezing their asses off on the red carpet...................

AccuWeather.com - Weather News | Unusual Cold Expected for Oscars Red Carpet


Wonder how many people out in TV land will be saying to themselves, "Shit.......we gotta do something about this global warming!!!!!!!"

 

[westwall]

Now Kooky, we never expected you to be anything but in the tinfoil hat brigade.

You're a corporal in that unit right?

 

[Trakar]

Record cold expected at the Oscars tonight..........people freezing their asses off on the red carpet...................

Wonder how many people out in TV land will be saying to themselves, "Shit.......we gotta do something about this global warming!!!!!!!"

How old are you? and you still don't understand "winter" and February being the coldest month of the year and all?

 

[westwall]

Record cold expected at the Oscars tonight..........people freezing their asses off on the red carpet...................

Wonder how many people out in TV land will be saying to themselves, "Shit.......we gotta do something about this global warming!!!!!!!"

How old are you? and you still don't understand "winter" and February being the coldest month of the year and all?

I believe he is pointing out (as Chris and olfraud do ad nauseum) that the weather is unseasonably cold this winter (just as it was last winter in California when many crops were wiped out) and once again yet more crops are being damaged by the unseasonably cold weather in California.

 

[Trakar]

Record cold expected at the Oscars tonight..........people freezing their asses off on the red carpet...................

Wonder how many people out in TV land will be saying to themselves, "Shit.......we gotta do something about this global warming!!!!!!!"

How old are you? and you still don't understand "winter" and February being the coldest month of the year and all?

I believe he is pointing out (as Chris and olfraud do ad nauseum) that the weather is unseasonably cold this winter (just as it was last winter in California when many crops were wiped out) and once again yet more crops are being damaged by the unseasonably cold weather in California.

Without getting into the peculiarities of calling cold weather in winter unseasonable, using any isolated or outlier local/regional weather event as support for AGW or No-AGW, is simply ignorance of what climate is and what climate change portends. Regardless of who does it.

The facts indicate that the global average temp has risen sharply over the last few decades and the rise seems to be accelerating.

 

[westwall]

How old are you? and you still don't understand "winter" and February being the coldest month of the year and all?

I believe he is pointing out (as Chris and olfraud do ad nauseum) that the weather is unseasonably cold this winter (just as it was last winter in California when many crops were wiped out) and once again yet more crops are being damaged by the unseasonably cold weather in California.

Without getting into the peculiarities of calling cold weather in winter unseasonable, using any isolated or outlier local/regional weather event as support for AGW or No-AGW, is simply ignorance of what climate is and what climate change portends. Regardless of who does it.

The facts indicate that the global average temp has risen sharply over the last few decades and the rise seems to be accelerating.

Actually GISSTEMP is the only data set that shows a rise over the last 10 years and we all know what Hansen is doing to that record. More to the point here's a study from the UN that says aggressive CO2 reduction schemes (costing at least 400 billion dollars per year) will have no measurable impact for at least 30 to 50 years. On the other hand they claim that reducing black soot may have an impact much sooner.

So choose your poison, even the UN is now saying CO2 reduction won't work.

"A fairly aggressive strategy to reduce carbon dioxide emissions under current reduction scenarios "does little to mitigate warming over the next 20 to 30 years," the study said. With carbon dioxide reductions alone, global temperatures are still projected to rise by more than 2 degrees Celsius by 2050 over pre-industrial levels.

But reducing black carbon and ground-level ozone reductions would delay the warming for another 20 years, until 2070, according to the study."

http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/Integrated Assessment of Black Carbon low res.pdf

 

[Old Rocks]

God, Walleyes, do you ever tire of repeating such bullshit? Here is Dr. Spencer's graphs;

UAH Update for January 2011: Global Temperatures in Freefall « Roy Spencer, Ph. D.

You can clearly see that the running mean from 2002 to 2007 was higher than any previous highs excepting that of 1998.

 

[skookerasbil]

How old are you? and you still don't understand "winter" and February being the coldest month of the year and all?

I believe he is pointing out (as Chris and olfraud do ad nauseum) that the weather is unseasonably cold this winter (just as it was last winter in California when many crops were wiped out) and once again yet more crops are being damaged by the unseasonably cold weather in California.

Without getting into the peculiarities of calling cold weather in winter unseasonable, using any isolated or outlier local/regional weather event as support for AGW or No-AGW, is simply ignorance of what climate is and what climate change portends. Regardless of who does it.

The facts indicate that the global average temp has risen sharply over the last few decades and the rise seems to be accelerating.

cool.........another k00k to abuse in this forum!!!!

 

[westwall]

God, Walleyes, do you ever tire of repeating such bullshit? Here is Dr. Spencer's graphs;

UAH Update for January 2011: Global Temperatures in Freefall « Roy Spencer, Ph. D.

You can clearly see that the running mean from 2002 to 2007 was higher than any previous highs excepting that of 1998.

What, no neg rep? Usually you'd give me a blast, whats the matter?

 

[Old Rocks]

Totally expect nothing but lies anymore. So why neg you for being what you are?

 

[Trakar]

Actually GISSTEMP is the only data set that shows a rise over the last 10 years

The evidence seems to contradict your beliefs

CRU temp record - CRU Information Sheet no. 1: Global Temperature Record

GISSTemp - Data.GISS: GISS Surface Temperature Analysis: Analysis Graphs and Plots

NOAA: 2010 Tied For Warmest Year on Record - NOAA: 2010 Tied For Warmest Year on Record

more available!

"A fairly aggressive strategy to reduce carbon dioxide emissions under current reduction scenarios "does little to mitigate warming over the next 20 to 30 years," the study said. With carbon dioxide reductions alone, global temperatures are still projected to rise by more than 2 degrees Celsius by 2050 over pre-industrial levels.

But reducing black carbon and ground-level ozone reductions would delay the warming for another 20 years, until 2070, according to the study."

http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/Integrated Assessment of Black Carbon low res.pdf

pg 24 Concluding Remarks

"...It is nevertheless stressed that this assessment does not in any way suggest postponing immediate and aggressive global action on anthropogenic greenhouse gases; in fact, it requires such action on CO2. This assessment concludes that the chance of success with such longer-term measures can be greatly enhanced by simultaneously addressing short-lived climate forcers..."