The left sure respect the beliefs of others and religious freedom don't they?

[koshergrl]

Why respect bigots? That's being an accomplice to bigotry.

You are bigoted against their religious views. The word bigot is now meaningless because you idiots throw it around with abandon. Now a person can be an "accomplice" unless they want the ruin of a person who thinks differently than them?

What a bunch of pussy fascists.

Bigot is not a meaningless term.

It is when it's used to describe something other than bigotry.

 

[martybegan]

Unless you refuse to bake a cake.

I am unaware of any religion that considers cake baking to be a religious rite

Who said it is up to government or yourself to decide a person's religious beliefs, or how the exercise it, in the absence of harm to others?

"in the absence of harm to others"

How is having your feelings hurt and having to find another baker harm?

Not to mention, who would want to do business with someone that doesn't want to do business with you?

In the end they don't want the offending party to do ANY business, with anyone, ever.

 

[rightwinger]

Unless you refuse to bake a cake.

I am unaware of any religion that considers cake baking to be a religious rite

You're unaware of a great many things... but then, you're a leftwing whackaloon.

It's not about cakes.... it;s about being forced to participate in something that is morally repugnant to oneself.

Bigotry, hidden behind religion.....is still bigotry

And is allowed in a free society, as long as government remains 100% neutral and ambivalent.

We don't serve negroes has not been allowed for 50 years

 

[rightwinger]

Unless you refuse to bake a cake.

I am unaware of any religion that considers cake baking to be a religious rite

You're unaware of a great many things... but then, you're a leftwing whackaloon.

It's not about cakes.... it;s about being forced to participate in something that is morally repugnant to oneself.

Bigotry, hidden behind religion.....is still bigotry

I don't need a morality lecture from a infanticide proponent. You leftwingers have the moral compass of a degenerate.

<sob> But...but....What about abortion? <sob>

 

[martybegan]

Unless you refuse to bake a cake.

I am unaware of any religion that considers cake baking to be a religious rite

You're unaware of a great many things... but then, you're a leftwing whackaloon.

It's not about cakes.... it;s about being forced to participate in something that is morally repugnant to oneself.

Bigotry, hidden behind religion.....is still bigotry

And is allowed in a free society, as long as government remains 100% neutral and ambivalent.

We don't serve negroes has not been allowed for 50 years

De jure, its still out there de facto. and the laws were needed because of the systemic nature of the local discrimination, and its overriding economic factors. Today, if a store here or there serving a non essential product tried the same thing 1) the black people in question would be able to find an easy substitute provider and 2) said business would probably be gone except in some truly rural backwaters.

 

[Theowl32]

Unless you refuse to bake a cake.

Full disclosure - I'm a catholic and lean Right. I agree with religious rights, etc. BUT...

I never really agreed that people should be able to refuse service such as baking a cake. What if I owned a hardware store in a small town and a same-sex couple walked in to buy supplies for their house? What if I owned the only gas station in town? Could I refuse service to same sex couples? I understand a cake isn't a necessity and most likely there are other bakers. The issue is where do you draw the line? Who decides what is a necessity and what's fair? See where I'm going with this? If anyone could refuse service based on religious reasons then I could refuse to sell someone food even if I'm the only store in town open at the time.

Honestly, as a Christian I don't get how baking is against MY religious beliefs. I'm not the one walking down the aisle, nor am I practicing same sex marriage. I'm merely not denying someone a request that I would grant to anyone else. For lack of a better way to explain this... If God doesn't want same sex couples to marry then God will deal with it in the afterlife.

The free market should work that out. You either lean right or you want the government to dictate how you run your private business.

This is not about equal anything from the socialist side. It is another way for the socialists to grab more power by manipulating naive minds.

That is what it is and it all under this guise of "equality." Do not be naive and see their double standards as proof.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Unless you refuse to bake a cake.

I am unaware of any religion that considers cake baking to be a religious rite

Who said it is up to government or yourself to decide a person's religious beliefs, or how the exercise it, in the absence of harm to others?

There is harm. There is no constitutional mechanism to apply degrees of harm to discrimination. You are either discriminated against, or you aren't.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I am unaware of any religion that considers cake baking to be a religious rite

You're unaware of a great many things... but then, you're a leftwing whackaloon.

It's not about cakes.... it;s about being forced to participate in something that is morally repugnant to oneself.

Bigotry, hidden behind religion.....is still bigotry

And is allowed in a free society, as long as government remains 100% neutral and ambivalent.

We don't serve negroes has not been allowed for 50 years

De jure, its still out there de facto. and the laws were needed because of the systemic nature of the local discrimination, and its overriding economic factors. Today, if a store here or there serving a non essential product tried the same thing 1) the black people in question would be able to find an easy substitute provider and 2) said business would probably be gone except in some truly rural backwaters.

Conservatives are addicted to racism.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Irony as well as dirty hands, Adolf?

Urban Dictionary: Godwin's Law

You're not the sharpest marshmallow in the bag, Pete.

Godwin's law is irrelevant when the comparisons are valid.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Godwin's law is irrelevant when the comparisons are valid.

You're irrelevant when you can't compose a rational post, sploogy.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Godwin's law is irrelevant when the comparisons are valid.

You're irrelevant when you can't compose a rational post, sploogy.

Did the Nazis allow discrimination or not?

 

[martybegan]

Unless you refuse to bake a cake.

I am unaware of any religion that considers cake baking to be a religious rite

Who said it is up to government or yourself to decide a person's religious beliefs, or how the exercise it, in the absence of harm to others?

There is harm. There is no constitutional mechanism to apply degrees of harm to discrimination. You are either discriminated against, or you aren't.

Yes there is, its the application of strict scrutiny, and using the least invasive method to figure out the solution.

and just being discriminated against isn't harm, unless of course you are a weak willed progressive, then anything gives you the vapors.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Did the Nazis allow discrimination or not?

Do you gargle rat turds or not?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Yes there is, its the application of strict scrutiny, and using the least invasive method to figure out the solution.

and just being discriminated against isn't harm, unless of course you are a weak willed progressive, then anything gives you the vapors.

It's a micro-agression blowing a dog whistle in his safe zone....

 

[NYcarbineer]

Unless you refuse to bake a cake.

I am unaware of any religion that considers cake baking to be a religious rite

Who said it is up to government or yourself to decide a person's religious beliefs, or how the exercise it, in the absence of harm to others?

There is harm. There is no constitutional mechanism to apply degrees of harm to discrimination. You are either discriminated against, or you aren't.

Yes there is, its the application of strict scrutiny, and using the least invasive method to figure out the solution.

and just being discriminated against isn't harm, unless of course you are a weak willed progressive, then anything gives you the vapors.

Then you tell us how much a business, open to the public, can discriminate against a person of color before it becomes unlawful discrimination.

Show us where the line is.

 

[martybegan]

Unless you refuse to bake a cake.

I am unaware of any religion that considers cake baking to be a religious rite

Who said it is up to government or yourself to decide a person's religious beliefs, or how the exercise it, in the absence of harm to others?

There is harm. There is no constitutional mechanism to apply degrees of harm to discrimination. You are either discriminated against, or you aren't.

Yes there is, its the application of strict scrutiny, and using the least invasive method to figure out the solution.

and just being discriminated against isn't harm, unless of course you are a weak willed progressive, then anything gives you the vapors.

Then you tell us how much a business, open to the public, can discriminate against a person of color before it becomes unlawful discrimination.

Show us where the line is.

First of all, the cases where the bakers are being ruined weren't about them just being gay, it was about the cake being for a gay wedding.

2nd, the line is at the point where the market can not handle a just outcome by itself.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Weird thread! Since you want to ban people based on religion from coming to America. lol

 

[koshergrl]

Weird thread! Since you want to ban people based on religion from coming to America. lol

Just the ones who pose a significant security and safety risk to America.

So just muslims. Nothing weird about it at all.

 

[rightwinger]

I am unaware of any religion that considers cake baking to be a religious rite

You're unaware of a great many things... but then, you're a leftwing whackaloon.

It's not about cakes.... it;s about being forced to participate in something that is morally repugnant to oneself.

Bigotry, hidden behind religion.....is still bigotry

And is allowed in a free society, as long as government remains 100% neutral and ambivalent.

We don't serve negroes has not been allowed for 50 years

De jure, its still out there de facto. and the laws were needed because of the systemic nature of the local discrimination, and its overriding economic factors. Today, if a store here or there serving a non essential product tried the same thing 1) the black people in question would be able to find an easy substitute provider and 2) said business would probably be gone except in some truly rural backwaters.

Saying it could not happen today is not an answer

Conservative reaction to losing the fight against same sex marriage resulted in a similar response to losing on Civil Rights......the court may say they have a right, but I'll be damned if I will serve them

Conservative Republicans reacted immediately with bogus laws protecting religious freedom to discriminate

 

[NYcarbineer]

I am unaware of any religion that considers cake baking to be a religious rite

Who said it is up to government or yourself to decide a person's religious beliefs, or how the exercise it, in the absence of harm to others?

There is harm. There is no constitutional mechanism to apply degrees of harm to discrimination. You are either discriminated against, or you aren't.

Yes there is, its the application of strict scrutiny, and using the least invasive method to figure out the solution.

and just being discriminated against isn't harm, unless of course you are a weak willed progressive, then anything gives you the vapors.

Then you tell us how much a business, open to the public, can discriminate against a person of color before it becomes unlawful discrimination.

Show us where the line is.

First of all, the cases where the bakers are being ruined weren't about them just being gay, it was about the cake being for a gay wedding.

2nd, the line is at the point where the market can not handle a just outcome by itself.

In other words you can't show the line you claim exists. It doesn't matter btw if the cake was for a gay wedding. As a baker or a wedding caterer you do not retain the legal right to write your own discrimination privileges.