The inept and corrupt federal government

[LordBrownTrout]

No they didn't and I'll take what the founders say and did over this corrupt and abominable govt any day....ANY DAY.

Uh, yeah, they did.

Thomas Jefferson raped Sally Hemings. (Sorry, when you are property, you can't "consent'.)
Indoor plumbing didn't exist in 1776, so they all shit in chamber pots.
George Washington was bled by his doctors when he died in 1799. Probably contributed to his death.

Nope, DNA was never matched. That was disproved. Now bleeding, stupid practice, did occur.

 

[billyerock1991]

did ya all notice p@triot tried to get out of his lie by say well the senate had 60 votes for blah blah blah months to justify his lying ... how pathetic this tin foil hat conspirator is

 

[bullwinkle]

Corruption:

Seven more Hillary Clinton scandals exposed by WikiLeaks

Now imagine that in the WH. It will be a scandal a minute, and we can count on the MSM to cover it all up. She will be unconstrained by the media and we know the Rs in Congress will do their usual disappearing act.

Hillary The All Powerful....

Gipper, I remember hearing that kind of talk when Ike was elected, him being a general and all. It was going to be scandal (the Kay Weatherby (sp?) affair) and war enhanced (Korea already in progress), a military take-over, and the doom of democracy. I thought of that when it seemed possible that Trump may be elected, if he could just stop shooting himself in the foot, although he is not my choice. Ike turned out to be a peacemaker, an infrastructure upgrader, and a darn nice guy who saw danger in the Industrial/Military complex that we have ignored all these years. So I learned long ago to cool the doom talk. The Constitution is safe, my friend.

I am a lot more concerned with another side effect of the Trump candidacy. I do care about who Trump will take down with him. I think there is a move afoot to dethrone Paul Ryan out of sheer spite. I like Ryan, and if Hillary wins (likely) and Republicans keep the House, I believe Ryan would be the President's best foil, not some emotional tantrum screecher. In fact, he would a Trump best foil too, as a level headed legislator.

I find much of your post unacceptable.

Ike was not a peacemaker. He allowed the military industrial complex to grow uncontested, allowed the CIA enormous power resulting in coups in Iran and elsewhere causing terrible harm. He approved the Bay of Pigs...he was a terrible interventionist. He had to know the assassination of JFK was a coup by the Deep State, but did nothing. That said, Hillary is a thousand times worse than Ike. He was not a notorious crazed liar like she is. He was not so dumb as to call the head of Russia another Hitler.

To think the Constitution is safe, when it clearly is under assault by the Left, is delusional. The Bill of Rights is steadily and gradually being eliminated. The American ruling elite is so corrupt and criminal, the end is near. But I admire your ability to deceive yourself...and live in a dream world. I can't.

Ryan will be Hillary's butt boy. He will do as instructed as will Little Bitch McConnell, but you won't see it.

Gipper, the depth of your bitterness and cynicism is fearsome. Clearly we are all like the nine blind men describing an elephant, seeing only parts of the issues. What you see in Hillary, I see in Trump only worse. sigh.

Trump is worser! Trump is worser!

Ironically, this sound identical to the mating call of the wild African bore.

Feel free to talk about Trump dingleberry. He has no chance and never had a chance to become elected.

Hey, votto, could you put that to music?

 

[gipper]

Corruption:

Seven more Hillary Clinton scandals exposed by WikiLeaks

Now imagine that in the WH. It will be a scandal a minute, and we can count on the MSM to cover it all up. She will be unconstrained by the media and we know the Rs in Congress will do their usual disappearing act.

Hillary The All Powerful....

Gipper, I remember hearing that kind of talk when Ike was elected, him being a general and all. It was going to be scandal (the Kay Weatherby (sp?) affair) and war enhanced (Korea already in progress), a military take-over, and the doom of democracy. I thought of that when it seemed possible that Trump may be elected, if he could just stop shooting himself in the foot, although he is not my choice. Ike turned out to be a peacemaker, an infrastructure upgrader, and a darn nice guy who saw danger in the Industrial/Military complex that we have ignored all these years. So I learned long ago to cool the doom talk. The Constitution is safe, my friend.

I am a lot more concerned with another side effect of the Trump candidacy. I do care about who Trump will take down with him. I think there is a move afoot to dethrone Paul Ryan out of sheer spite. I like Ryan, and if Hillary wins (likely) and Republicans keep the House, I believe Ryan would be the President's best foil, not some emotional tantrum screecher. In fact, he would a Trump best foil too, as a level headed legislator.

I find much of your post unacceptable.

Ike was not a peacemaker. He allowed the military industrial complex to grow uncontested, allowed the CIA enormous power resulting in coups in Iran and elsewhere causing terrible harm. He approved the Bay of Pigs...he was a terrible interventionist. He had to know the assassination of JFK was a coup by the Deep State, but did nothing. That said, Hillary is a thousand times worse than Ike. He was not a notorious crazed liar like she is. He was not so dumb as to call the head of Russia another Hitler.

To think the Constitution is safe, when it clearly is under assault by the Left, is delusional. The Bill of Rights is steadily and gradually being eliminated. The American ruling elite is so corrupt and criminal, the end is near. But I admire your ability to deceive yourself...and live in a dream world. I can't.

Ryan will be Hillary's butt boy. He will do as instructed as will Little Bitch McConnell, but you won't see it.

Gipper, the depth of your bitterness and cynicism is fearsome. Clearly we are all like the nine blind men describing an elephant, seeing only parts of the issues. What you see in Hillary, I see in Trump only worse. sigh.

Your post only proves you to be delusional.

Clinton is clearly a proven commodity, but you think Trump is. Can't fix stupid.

 

[P@triot]

and yest you still didn't respond to how you came to the conclusion we had control of the congress in 2009 ... why do you keep dodging that statement ??? is it your tin foil hat is on too tight???

Tell me something billyerock1991 - how does it feel to be my personal bitch???

The truth....then....is this: Democrats had "total control" of the House of Representatives from 2009-2011, 2 full years. Democrats, and therefore, Obama, had "total control" of the Senate from September 24, 2009 until February 4, 2010. A grand total of 4 months.

Did President Obama have "total control" of Congress? Yes, for 4 entire months. And it was during that very small time window that Obamacare was passed in the Senate with 60 all-Democratic votes.

When Obama Had

I see you're still tap dancing again here over your statement ... you clearly said the democrats had total control of the congress ... that means both the house and the senate ... by your post here alone it tell us all you were lying when you said they had total control ... now you're trying to back step your statement ... we get it ... most liars do this kind of thing ... its when they get caught the squeal like a pig the most and pal your squealing is quite loud

Dude....you just got owned. Everything is there in black and white and now everyone can see that A.) you're dumb as shit and B.) you lie about everything

 

[P@triot]

Tell me something billyerock1991 - how does it feel to be my personal bitch???

The truth....then....is this: Democrats had "total control" of the House of Representatives from 2009-2011, 2 full years. Democrats, and therefore, Obama, had "total control" of the Senate from September 24, 2009 until February 4, 2010. A grand total of 4 months.

Did President Obama have "total control" of Congress? Yes, for 4 entire months. And it was during that very small time window that Obamacare was passed in the Senate with 60 all-Democratic votes.

When Obama Had

I see you're still tap dancing again here over your statement ... you clearly said the democrats had total control of the congress ... that means both the house and the senate ... by your post here alone it tell us all you were lying when you said they had total control ... now you're trying to back step your statement ... we get it ... most liars do this kind of thing ... its when they get caught the squeal like a pig the most and pal your squealing is quite loud

Yes...I clearly did say that. And the facts clearly support me. They also show that you're ignorant and a liar.

 

[P@triot]

The point is, the 1% have 43% of the wealth, but they aren't doing 43% of the labor.

Proving once again that progressives always lie... As it states at the bottom left - this directly from the CBO. The top 1% earns only 15% of the income. Progressive JoeB lies and claims it's almost triple.

 

[Rustic]

Got love JoeB "logic". Take care of crack addicts who refuse to hold a job but complain about taking care of our veterans who served our country.

NOt sure where you got that. I was talking about how you manipulate the numbers by leaving out the costs of veterans programs on your chart. That's part of the cost of doing business.

Of course, on the subject of crack addicts, you wingnuts throw them in prison at a very high cost instead of treating their addictions and reforming them...

European countries treat addiction like a disease, we make it a crime.

ANother example of why you can't be trusted to make the decisions.

Bad behavior is a choice not a disease.
Rehab doesn't work. dumbass

 

[bullwinkle]

Corruption:

Seven more Hillary Clinton scandals exposed by WikiLeaks

Now imagine that in the WH. It will be a scandal a minute, and we can count on the MSM to cover it all up. She will be unconstrained by the media and we know the Rs in Congress will do their usual disappearing act.

Hillary The All Powerful....

Gipper, I remember hearing that kind of talk when Ike was elected, him being a general and all. It was going to be scandal (the Kay Weatherby (sp?) affair) and war enhanced (Korea already in progress), a military take-over, and the doom of democracy. I thought of that when it seemed possible that Trump may be elected, if he could just stop shooting himself in the foot, although he is not my choice. Ike turned out to be a peacemaker, an infrastructure upgrader, and a darn nice guy who saw danger in the Industrial/Military complex that we have ignored all these years. So I learned long ago to cool the doom talk. The Constitution is safe, my friend.

I am a lot more concerned with another side effect of the Trump candidacy. I do care about who Trump will take down with him. I think there is a move afoot to dethrone Paul Ryan out of sheer spite. I like Ryan, and if Hillary wins (likely) and Republicans keep the House, I believe Ryan would be the President's best foil, not some emotional tantrum screecher. In fact, he would a Trump best foil too, as a level headed legislator.

I find much of your post unacceptable.

Ike was not a peacemaker. He allowed the military industrial complex to grow uncontested, allowed the CIA enormous power resulting in coups in Iran and elsewhere causing terrible harm. He approved the Bay of Pigs...he was a terrible interventionist. He had to know the assassination of JFK was a coup by the Deep State, but did nothing. That said, Hillary is a thousand times worse than Ike. He was not a notorious crazed liar like she is. He was not so dumb as to call the head of Russia another Hitler.

To think the Constitution is safe, when it clearly is under assault by the Left, is delusional. The Bill of Rights is steadily and gradually being eliminated. The American ruling elite is so corrupt and criminal, the end is near. But I admire your ability to deceive yourself...and live in a dream world. I can't.

Ryan will be Hillary's butt boy. He will do as instructed as will Little Bitch McConnell, but you won't see it.

Gipper, the depth of your bitterness and cynicism is fearsome. Clearly we are all like the nine blind men describing an elephant, seeing only parts of the issues. What you see in Hillary, I see in Trump only worse. sigh.

Your post only proves you to be delusional.

Clinton is clearly a proven commodity, but you think Trump is. Can't fix stupid.

Gipper, I dare you to dig into Trump as deep as you dig into Clinton. And lay off the stupid. It stifles honest argument.

 

[gipper]

Now imagine that in the WH. It will be a scandal a minute, and we can count on the MSM to cover it all up. She will be unconstrained by the media and we know the Rs in Congress will do their usual disappearing act.

Hillary The All Powerful....

Gipper, I remember hearing that kind of talk when Ike was elected, him being a general and all. It was going to be scandal (the Kay Weatherby (sp?) affair) and war enhanced (Korea already in progress), a military take-over, and the doom of democracy. I thought of that when it seemed possible that Trump may be elected, if he could just stop shooting himself in the foot, although he is not my choice. Ike turned out to be a peacemaker, an infrastructure upgrader, and a darn nice guy who saw danger in the Industrial/Military complex that we have ignored all these years. So I learned long ago to cool the doom talk. The Constitution is safe, my friend.

I am a lot more concerned with another side effect of the Trump candidacy. I do care about who Trump will take down with him. I think there is a move afoot to dethrone Paul Ryan out of sheer spite. I like Ryan, and if Hillary wins (likely) and Republicans keep the House, I believe Ryan would be the President's best foil, not some emotional tantrum screecher. In fact, he would a Trump best foil too, as a level headed legislator.

I find much of your post unacceptable.

Ike was not a peacemaker. He allowed the military industrial complex to grow uncontested, allowed the CIA enormous power resulting in coups in Iran and elsewhere causing terrible harm. He approved the Bay of Pigs...he was a terrible interventionist. He had to know the assassination of JFK was a coup by the Deep State, but did nothing. That said, Hillary is a thousand times worse than Ike. He was not a notorious crazed liar like she is. He was not so dumb as to call the head of Russia another Hitler.

To think the Constitution is safe, when it clearly is under assault by the Left, is delusional. The Bill of Rights is steadily and gradually being eliminated. The American ruling elite is so corrupt and criminal, the end is near. But I admire your ability to deceive yourself...and live in a dream world. I can't.

Ryan will be Hillary's butt boy. He will do as instructed as will Little Bitch McConnell, but you won't see it.

Gipper, the depth of your bitterness and cynicism is fearsome. Clearly we are all like the nine blind men describing an elephant, seeing only parts of the issues. What you see in Hillary, I see in Trump only worse. sigh.

Your post only proves you to be delusional.

Clinton is clearly a proven commodity, but you think Trump is. Can't fix stupid.

Gipper, I dare you to dig into Trump as deep as you dig into Clinton. And lay off the stupid. It stifles honest argument.

Trump has never been in politics. Hillary has never been outside politics. Apparently this means nothing to you or you think Hillary is better for it. Silly.

She has lied for 30 years...committing some unbelievably heinous actions while in our government. Trump has done none of this.

I guess you think saying dumb things and acceptiong the groping lies, makes Trump worse than the worse politician in our history.

 

[JoeB131]

But nobody is getting "cheated". They are earning exactly what they are worth. The 1% is worth the 15% they earned.

Uh, guy, dividing the pie in your favor doesnt mean you baked the pie...

So why is it German and Japanese CEO's only early 20 time more than a line worker, and US Corps it's 800 times more? Is it really because the American CEO's are "Earning" more? Hardly.

The opposite of Capitalism isn't Socialism, it's democracy.

 

[P@triot]

But nobody is getting "cheated". They are earning exactly what they are worth. The 1% is worth the 15% they earned.

Uh, guy, dividing the pie in your favor doesnt mean you baked the pie...

So why is it German and Japanese CEO's only early 20 time more than a line worker, and US Corps it's 800 times more? Is it really because the American CEO's are "Earning" more? Hardly.

No...it's because the Japanese line worker works a 1,000x's harder than the American line worker. You should really research this stuff before commenting. In Japan, it is inconceivable for a subordinate to leave before their manager. That means that the CEO is always the first to leave the office. If they put in a 16 hour day, the corporate directors can't leave until after those 16 hours. Then the executive manager can't leave until after them. Then the mid-level managers can't leave until after the executive managers. And so on down the line. So guess who puts in the most hours in Japan chief? That's right - the "grunts". Thus, they deserve more than their American counter-parts. If you want to increase the cushy union life of the American worker to 18 hour days, I'll be the first in line to support your call for higher wages for them at the expense of the executives. But knowing American unions workers - I can tell you right now that they will literally inflict physical violence on you if you call for that. They love their cushy little 4 hour shift, one hour break, 4 hour shift and go home to $60,000 per year salaries, cadillac healthcare plans, and cadillac pensions with gobs of vacation time and little work.

 

[P@triot]

Corruption:

Expert: 'Child's play' to rig vote counts

 

[bullwinkle]

Gipper, I remember hearing that kind of talk when Ike was elected, him being a general and all. It was going to be scandal (the Kay Weatherby (sp?) affair) and war enhanced (Korea already in progress), a military take-over, and the doom of democracy. I thought of that when it seemed possible that Trump may be elected, if he could just stop shooting himself in the foot, although he is not my choice. Ike turned out to be a peacemaker, an infrastructure upgrader, and a darn nice guy who saw danger in the Industrial/Military complex that we have ignored all these years. So I learned long ago to cool the doom talk. The Constitution is safe, my friend.

I am a lot more concerned with another side effect of the Trump candidacy. I do care about who Trump will take down with him. I think there is a move afoot to dethrone Paul Ryan out of sheer spite. I like Ryan, and if Hillary wins (likely) and Republicans keep the House, I believe Ryan would be the President's best foil, not some emotional tantrum screecher. In fact, he would a Trump best foil too, as a level headed legislator.

I find much of your post unacceptable.

Ike was not a peacemaker. He allowed the military industrial complex to grow uncontested, allowed the CIA enormous power resulting in coups in Iran and elsewhere causing terrible harm. He approved the Bay of Pigs...he was a terrible interventionist. He had to know the assassination of JFK was a coup by the Deep State, but did nothing. That said, Hillary is a thousand times worse than Ike. He was not a notorious crazed liar like she is. He was not so dumb as to call the head of Russia another Hitler.

To think the Constitution is safe, when it clearly is under assault by the Left, is delusional. The Bill of Rights is steadily and gradually being eliminated. The American ruling elite is so corrupt and criminal, the end is near. But I admire your ability to deceive yourself...and live in a dream world. I can't.

Ryan will be Hillary's butt boy. He will do as instructed as will Little Bitch McConnell, but you won't see it.

Gipper, the depth of your bitterness and cynicism is fearsome. Clearly we are all like the nine blind men describing an elephant, seeing only parts of the issues. What you see in Hillary, I see in Trump only worse. sigh.

Your post only proves you to be delusional.

Clinton is clearly a proven commodity, but you think Trump is. Can't fix stupid.

Gipper, I dare you to dig into Trump as deep as you dig into Clinton. And lay off the stupid. It stifles honest argument.

Trump has never been in politics. Hillary has never been outside politics. Apparently this means nothing to you or you think Hillary is better for it. Silly.

She has lied for 30 years...committing some unbelievably heinous actions while in our government. Trump has done none of this.

I guess you think saying dumb things and acceptiong the groping lies, makes Trump worse than the worse politician in our history.

I say a lot of dumb things, gipper, and as for the groping, I believe it. However the only comment I have made about that is that it is a non-issue with me. The fact that Trump has never been in politics does not mean he is sterling of character. I would point out to you that his mantra of pay-for-play accusations against Hillary is both unproven at State Dept. and also one of the pillars of his belief of good business that he has bragged about in speeches and in print, and is now under investigation for, in Florida. Do you think changing chairs will change that deal-making philosophy? Have you read Trump's strategic campaign Emails? Do you think he wouldn't have a public persona different from a private one when making any of his famous deals? He knows all the tricks of the trade he accuses Hillary of because that's what he uses and even credits for his yuuge success. You believe she lies because Trump says it. And yet with Trump U, stiffed contractors, using his Foundation money to pay both bills and bribes (Fla), bragging about his prowess in stiffing the IRA, using the money of others then claiming bankruptcy...and because it only affected Joe Sixpack, you imply it is not 'unbelievably heinous'?

So, needless to say, I disagree

 

[P@triot]

Corruption:

The White House Turnstile

 

[Papageorgio]

The federal government has reached levels of ineptitude and corruption the likes of which have never been seen before by man. They are nearly $20 trillion in debt, have far exceeded the 18 enumerated powers they were authorized to oversee, and are now oppressing the very people they are supposed to answer to and represent.

Here's why we have 20 Trillion in debt, Short Pants.

We want government to do all this stuff.
We don't want to make the rich pay their fair share to do it.

That's why we have 20 Trillion in debt.

It's the same reason why we have 145 Trillion in debt in terms of mortgages, credit cards, etc. We want this stuff, we don't want to pay for it.

Define fair share, 30%, 50%, 90%, 120%?

 

[P@triot]

The federal government has reached levels of ineptitude and corruption the likes of which have never been seen before by man. They are nearly $20 trillion in debt, have far exceeded the 18 enumerated powers they were authorized to oversee, and are now oppressing the very people they are supposed to answer to and represent.

Here's why we have 20 Trillion in debt, Short Pants.

We want government to do all this stuff.
We don't want to make the rich pay their fair share to do it.

That's why we have 20 Trillion in debt.

It's the same reason why we have 145 Trillion in debt in terms of mortgages, credit cards, etc. We want this stuff, we don't want to pay for it.

Define fair share, 30%, 50%, 90%, 120%?

They never do. Progressives just feel good about platitudes like "by their fair share"

 

[regent]

Have we tried cutting taxes while simultaneously going to war yet?

A Republican dream and I'm sorry you might have planted the idea.

 

[Papageorgio]

The federal government has reached levels of ineptitude and corruption the likes of which have never been seen before by man. They are nearly $20 trillion in debt, have far exceeded the 18 enumerated powers they were authorized to oversee, and are now oppressing the very people they are supposed to answer to and represent.

Here's why we have 20 Trillion in debt, Short Pants.

We want government to do all this stuff.
We don't want to make the rich pay their fair share to do it.

That's why we have 20 Trillion in debt.

It's the same reason why we have 145 Trillion in debt in terms of mortgages, credit cards, etc. We want this stuff, we don't want to pay for it.

Define fair share, 30%, 50%, 90%, 120%?

They never do. Progressives just feel good about platitudes like "by their fair share"

I know, it's all BS, if you want the rich to pay more, go after Congress they write the laws for the rich.

 

[Picaro]

lol another thread wherein both sides are full of shit. Hilarious, and some thnk it some sort of mystery why the country is tanking. lol