The IMPOSSIBLE didn't happen on 911

[eots]

Sorry, it's your claim she is to be trusted at her word correct? Wasn't that the point in the overly padded resume and flowering credentials? To dissuade any doubts to her credibility as witness your conspiracy theory here? It's your theory dude, I just pointed out she was able to openly stand against pentagon and NSA policies while working for them and keep her job until taking up conspiracy writing full-time...

Do you really think a person can get away with open and very public opposition to NSA policy and keep their job, if they were genuine? LOL, if so I recommend you visit Fort Meade sometime, take a drive through the base and look for large mirrored glass building. Ask the guards at the door about policy. Or better ask to speak to the director about it..

ROFL...

so you put more credibility on wikki than you do her military bio...what a clown

You mean I put more faith in a non-biased source over her own padded claims? Yes I do..

She ran for Representative of her state last election correct? Yeah came from the same wikki article, want to deny that as well? Oh and guess what she ran as a republican... You know the ones you pretty much blame this wacky theory on...

Whether you realize it or not, you are being played like a harp. Political parties are the show to keep us arguing. No party is going to do anything alone, it takes both parties to do any thing at all. She is a peddler of BS who gets paid for stirring up conspiracy nuts like you. She tried to move up the ladder from peddler to BS artist first class and failed...

your only claim to padding anything is ommisions in wikki...thats your evidence?..lol

 

[gslack]

All I can say is, NO BODY, absolutely no one legit would get to directly and openly oppose NSA and/or pentagon official policies and keep their job... Not even a lowly linguist in the linguistics core, or simple data dink. Speaking even at all on their policies by any worker there is grounds for permanent and immediate dismissal and waiver of all compensation, including retirement bennys and everything else..

Take it how you want to view it.

I view it as you talking out your ass and grasping at straws...it also said she penned these articles anonymously btw

"she wrote a series of anonymous articles"

Writing anything published "anonymously" while working for the NSA is nonsense. Good luck with that, see how well that works. She was well paid for it "anonymously" as well... You're being played..

 

[eots]

 

[gslack]

so you put more credibility on wikki than you do her military bio...what a clown

You mean I put more faith in a non-biased source over her own padded claims? Yes I do..

She ran for Representative of her state last election correct? Yeah came from the same wikki article, want to deny that as well? Oh and guess what she ran as a republican... You know the ones you pretty much blame this wacky theory on...

Whether you realize it or not, you are being played like a harp. Political parties are the show to keep us arguing. No party is going to do anything alone, it takes both parties to do any thing at all. She is a peddler of BS who gets paid for stirring up conspiracy nuts like you. She tried to move up the ladder from peddler to BS artist first class and failed...

your only claim to padding anything is ommisions in wikki...thats your evidence?..lol

Evidence? Well I am afraid I am not a Utube junky like yourself, sorry I guess your Utube trumps my logical thought...Silly me...

Ever been to Fort Meade, Maryland? Ever work any kind of secure facility? Ever have to get a security clearance for a military job? The clearance works two-fold. First it tries to assess threat potential in a candidate and their "trustworthy-ness" with sensitive material or data. And second it gives them a real time list of who has access to what, when, where, and how. A breech shows up, they check the list and bingo... Writing publicly "anonymously" or otherwise just won't happen.. Sorry especially with her claimed credentials..

If you really want to be paranoid and scare yourself, you don't have to believe in right or left-wing boogeymen, there is no difference in application. You guys all talk about disinformation agents but ignore the real ones who laugh at you...

 

[eots]

You mean I put more faith in a non-biased source over her own padded claims? Yes I do..

She ran for Representative of her state last election correct? Yeah came from the same wikki article, want to deny that as well? Oh and guess what she ran as a republican... You know the ones you pretty much blame this wacky theory on...

no blaming republicans is just something else you made up..

Whether you realize it or not, you are being played like a harp. Political parties are the show to keep us arguing. No party is going to do anything alone, it takes both parties to do any thing at all.

you figured that much out did you..

She is a peddler of BS who gets paid for stirring up conspiracy nuts like you. She tried to move up the ladder from peddler to BS artist first class and failed...

so the government spends money and does covert operations to fuel those questioning the official 9/11 narrative...this is what you call..logic ?

your only claim to padding anything is ommisions in wikki...thats your evidence?..lol

Evidence? Well I am afraid I am not a Utube junky like yourself, sorry I guess your Utube trumps my logical thought...Silly me...

the fact information is on youtube is meaningless..it is just another way to disseminate information...you might as well say books ..newspapers...lectures..televised news broadcast

Ever been to Fort Meade, Maryland? Ever work any kind of secure facility? Ever have to get a security clearance for a military job? The clearance works two-fold.

actually I worked for a commercial dive company with the contract for underwater hull maintenance for the navy and as a bank guard it was not that big of a deal

First it tries to assess threat potential in a candidate and their "trustworthy-ness" with sensitive material or data. And second it gives them a real time list of who has access to what, when, where, and how. A breech shows up, they check the list and bingo... Writing publicly "anonymously" or otherwise just won't happen.. Sorry especially with her claimed credentials..

nice...story

If you really want to be paranoid and scare yourself, you don't have to believe in right or left-wing boogeymen, there is no difference in application. You guys all talk about disinformation agents but ignore the real ones who laugh at you..

you still have not explained as to what benefit it would be to the government to run a covert conspiracy to fuel the questioning of the official 9/11 narrative ..please do tell

 

[gslack]

the fact information is on youtube is meaningless..it is just another way to disseminate information...you might as well say books ..newspapers...lectures..televised news broadcast



actually I worked for a commercial dive company with the contract for underwater hull maintenance for the navy and as a bank guard it was not that big of a deal



nice...story



you still have not explained as to what benefit it would be to the government to run a covert conspiracy to fuel the questioning of the official 9/11 narrative ..please do tell

Hull maintenance, you must be a seasoned and well trained diver and welder. Seriously, no joke there, mucho respect for that work... However, aside from sonar domes and the carriage structure there, you weren't exactly in "top-secret" areas. And a bank guard is a private security clearance rating for the bank itself. Not the same type of thing...

It's not a story it's the way it is, believe it or not. They do work two-fold.

The benefit would be keeping you guys all bickering and fighting while you continue to lose freedoms, miss the important things, and are unable to unite to do anything about any of it.

Vote in MR. conservative, or MR.Liberal and within a year you have MR. Centrist who seems to be both in small doses... Think that's a coincidence? You probably would because you are busy blaming the other party for everything, and the other party supporters are blaming your party. All the while bills pass, and shit goes on and you are oblivious to it all...

But hey you go right on ahead and blame whoever you want for it all.. Be a good drone.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

dont you find it odd that there are reports...but no pictures considering all the gruesome pictures they did release..there are also reports from pentagon employees that is was a missile launched as the play flew over the building

Bullshit.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIy9hjB3DGk]Pentagon Employee Witness Says There Was No Plane on 9-11-2001! - YouTube[/ame]

April Gallup? Really? You're going to use the woman who claimed it was a missile AFTER she accepted a settlement from American Airlines because it was a plane?

 

[daws101]

dont you find it odd that there are reports...but no pictures considering all the gruesome pictures they did release..there are also reports from pentagon employees that is was a missile launched as the play flew over the building

Bullshit.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIy9hjB3DGk]Pentagon Employee Witness Says There Was No Plane on 9-11-2001! - YouTube[/ame]

excessive bullshit!

 

[daws101]

pentagon employee witness says there was no plane on 9-11-2001! - youtube

i woman, probably nearly in hysterics because of her newborn saw nothing that looked like a plane..... Same woman who at first thought she had triggered a bomb.....

Yeah sure, she just barely escaped with her life and scrambled through the wreckage with her newborn over her shoulder, was transported to the hospital but asked other people if they saw a plane......
Where was she assigned? Showing an id doesn't say anything about where she was assigned. Why would any supervisor insist that a woman bring their newborn to work with them. And she tells us that floors collapsed when the plane first hit. Why did she go to the hospital? And she helped other people and at the last second found her own child, was the child hurt? Why did people help her after she said they were to worried about getting out of there? Her story is as full of holes as yours.......

amazing how you and daws slander eye wittiness like the fire fighters at the wtc in favor of shyam sunder

thanks eots! wittiness: Possessing or demonstrating wit in speech or writing; very clever and humorous.
2. Characterized by or having the nature of wit; funny or jocular: a witty saying.
3. Quick to discern and express amusing insights or relationships.
4. Entertainingly and strikingly clever or original in concept, design, or performance: a witty sculpture; witty choreography.

Ollie and I have slandered no one the people you yammer on about SAW nothing or imagined they did, or misidentified what they saw or just plain lied about it.
you can post all the ear witness statements you like but it's not admissible as evidence.
pointing out those facts is not slander.

the shit you post about shyam sunder comes very very close.

 

[wihosa]

That's right the person who was there couldn't possibly know what she saw, but the official conspiracy theorists know what happened because they believe in spite of what this woman says, and in spite of the obvious which I pointed out when I started this thread.

The official conspiracy theory lives on and America goes on living the lie!

 

[candycorn]

That's right the person who was there couldn't possibly know what she saw, but the official conspiracy theorists know what happened because they believe in spite of what this woman says, and in spite of the obvious which I pointed out when I started this thread.

The official conspiracy theory lives on and America goes on living the lie!

The only one living a lie is you.

You still can't account for physical evidence of plane wreckage on the Pentagon grounds as well as the light poles being knocked down. All of the accusatory passages and self serving commentary won't save your lame assertions.

Sorry, we're dealing in facts, you're dealing in dreams.

 

[gslack]

That's right the person who was there couldn't possibly know what she saw, but the official conspiracy theorists know what happened because they believe in spite of what this woman says, and in spite of the obvious which I pointed out when I started this thread.

The official conspiracy theory lives on and America goes on living the lie!

Ah see that's not the problem. The problem arises when she goes from reporting what she saw to making claims she pulled out of her ass...

Now evidently you missed the part about her writing "anonymously" on a public website against NSA and Pentagon policies while she still worked there... I called it BS, knowing damn well and better it wouldn't happen. No pentagon or NSA "speechwriter" could be so anonymous and keep their job... It's retarded. She's a paid shit-stirrer and conspiracy peddler..

 

[wihosa]

I summed up the official conspiracy theory in a concise way (in regards to the two portions which I was speaking of). I wasn't redundant in anything I said so to call it verbose doesn't seem applicable. Regardless, I take from your invective filled diatribe you are a defender of the official conspiracy, so why don't you make a principled defense?

Did you happen to miss this wihosa?

Don't forget it didn't gain weight and each floor was designed to support all the weight above it with a safety factor of four.

Time for your lesson wihosa...

Here is a diagram showing just how much bullshit your "understanding" of structural loads, floors, columns, and load distribution really contains.

As I stated earlier, the floors are designed for live loads. Live loads are changing loads consisting of people, cubicles, computers, etc. The floors, trusses, and truss connections are calculated and designed to support/distribute those live loads for THAT FLOOR ONLY!

Do you get that part? FOR THAT FLOOR ONLY.

Let that sink in before going on.

Tell us why, using your vast structural engineering wisdom, were the floor trusses and connections of floor number 1 in the twin towers not more robust than the floor trusses and connections of floor 98 in the same tower if the floors took care of the loads of the building structure above? Look at the diagram above again. The arrows pointing downward to the floors represent the live load. The arrows pointing left/right beneath the floors is the live load from the floors being distributed to the columns. The arrows point downward on the columns are showing the combined loads of everything being distributed down to the foundations (grillage components in this case).

The point were the live load of the floor meets the column is were the connections (floor truss connections) are at. All of the connections and trusses are designed to work together to distribute the live load of THAT FLOOR ONLY to the columns they are attached to. They are NOT designed to handle the entire structure above as you so stupidly claim.

It was the core columns and perimeter columns that increased in size and strength the further down you went. That's because those core columns (and to some extent the perimeter columns) were responsible for supporting/and transferring the loads of the building above to the grillages, NOT the floors. Here is a grillage to be used at the base of one of the columns. This grillage component was set on bedrock.

Your claim of "the floors are designed to support everything above them" is complete and utter bullshit and you have no clue about structural design and what goes into it. That much is perfectly clear.

Ok fine point, but I was referring to the columns, the vertical supports for the the entire structure. The columns of each floor are designed to carry all the imposed loads of the floors and columns above them.
Now if you want to go on with your pancaking "theory" show evidence of pancaked floors.

Oh you can't because there is no evidence of that.

Your official theory is debunked.

 

[wihosa]

That's right the person who was there couldn't possibly know what she saw, but the official conspiracy theorists know what happened because they believe in spite of what this woman says, and in spite of the obvious which I pointed out when I started this thread.

The official conspiracy theory lives on and America goes on living the lie!

The only one living a lie is you.

You still can't account for physical evidence of plane wreckage on the Pentagon grounds as well as the light poles being knocked down. All of the accusatory passages and self serving commentary won't save your lame assertions.

Sorry, we're dealing in facts, you're dealing in dreams.

Sorry, the fact is there is no plane wreckage visible on the front lawn, just a couple of pieces laying about. I've referred you to a real plane crash into a much less substantial building but the plane did not penetrate all the way through and the airframe and the passengers and their luggage are all easily visible.

So which is it, did the plane penetrate all the way through the steel reinforced concrete exterior wall, folding back the wings and dragging them AND the tail section through and then plowing through the support columns and then punch out the 'C' wall or did it get completely obliterated on the exterior?

Are you saying the ONLY thing that could have knocked down light poles was an airplane? As I pointed out we both agree their was a conspiracy and if as I'm saying yours is wrong then whoever was behind this mass murder was certainly motivated to fool the gullible by knocking down a few light poles.

 

[wihosa]

Wow, First off you cannot make controlled demolition of WTC7 a fact just because you say so. You need some kind of proof other than it looks like a CD..... Yes of course explosions were heard, they are heard in all office fires and many home fires, there are lots of things that go boom when heat is applied.....Or didn't you know that was a fact? Now ask yourself what does a CD sound like? It's not intermittent explosions lasting several hours and then no explosions when a building starts to fall. Never heard of any explosion doing a delayed time destruction sometime after the blast. And you still haven't looked for what could have caused the blast hole at the pentagon....You aren't looking for truth, you are the same as the other CTrs here....

Wow, you can not point to a single instance of what you are claiming in the case of WTC7. NOT ONE! Please show me where it has ever happened.

Oh you can't, you just have your totally debunked theory that somehow a moderate office fire caused the sudden, immediate and total collapse of the type of building which is the most engineered in history.

Your theory is as plausible as claiming fairies did it.

As for the Pentagon, again it is your theory that somehow a plane punched through two feet of steel reinforced concrete, plowed through major support columns and somehow caused the punch out hole in the "c" ring wall and then completely burned up leaving only a couple small parts behind.

None of that theory was ever proven, but that is the theory you have chosen to defend.

You are the conspiracy theorist.

Previously I started a thread entitled "do you believe the official 911 story?" It was immediately moved to the conspiracy theory category even though I advocated no theory at all. I then followed that up with a thread called "who's the conspiracy theorist?" Where I pointed out that the defenders of the official story are the conspiracy theorists since there was never a criminal trial and so no facts were established and we are left only with the assertions of the official conspiracy theorists.

In my first thread I pointed to two parts of the story which just don't stand scrutiny. First the vanishing pentagon plane and second the collapse of WTC7. These are not the only parts of the story which don't add up, just the most glaring and obvious.

We are to believe that the highjacker was with very little flight training able to make a very tight descending spiral turn and slam into the Pentagon. Professional pilots have attested to the difficulty of this maneuver and doubted an amateur could pull it off. Then the plane punched thought the side of the Pentagon which is two feet thick steel reinforced concrete, the wings folded back but remained attached to the fuselage as well as the tail section and were dragged into the building where it continued on through the structural support columns (these are very substantial as it is a three story structure) and all the way to where it punched another hole in the "C ring" wall in the interior of the Pentagon. Then the entire plane along with the passengers and baggage almost completely burned up, leaving only a couple of pieces of wreckage which could have come from an airliner. Pictures taken immediately after the impact make clear that the exterior wall was still intact and the large structural failure was due to the ensuing fire so what ever hit the pentagon punched through the exterior as it did the "C ring" wall. I noted that one would expect to find at least the tail section on the ground outside the building and much more debris. The conspiracy theorists (defenders of the official story) pointed to a video of a fighter jet on a rail being slammed into a block of concrete as evidence that the plane would have been obliterated, but the video doesn't show the aftermath so it's hard to tell what was left of the plane, besides if the plane was obliterated upon contact how did it punch through the exterior wall, the structural columns and the "C"ring wall? Additionally, even if all these improbable events did occur, the idea that the plane was almost entirely consumed by fire is silly. Aluminum melts at around 1600degrees F but does not burn until heated to over 6000degrees F far beyond the temps resulting from hydrocarbon fires. There should have been large globs of melted aluminum inside the pentagon but the pictures of the aftermath don't show this. Finally I pointed out that there is YouTube video of an airliner of like size and weight which crashed on takeoff in Lagos Nigeria. It slammed into the side of a much less substantial wood frame apartment building. It did not penetrate all the way through. The tail section as expected was almost untouched and though the plane exploded and burned the airframe is easily recognized, and passengers and luggage are clearly evident. The conspiracy theorists want to hang their hat on the fact that some debris which looks similar to airliner parts were found and that light poles out side the Pentagon were knocked down or that DNA was "found" inside the Pentagon days later. Clearly, this was a conspiracy and if as I am saying it was not as a result of the official conspiracy theory, then the real conspirators had every motivation to plant phony evidence to cover their tracks.

Then there is WTC7, the smoking gun as it were. Here, if it weren't so monstrously evil it would be laughable. The evidence which can be gleaned overwhelmingly points to controlled demolition. Watch the YouTube video of the collapse, it falls neatly straight down at near free fall speed into its own footprint. This can ONLY happen if ALL the support columns fail simultaneously on each floor and synchronously from floor to floor. The chances of this happening from a random event are so vanishingly small that it must be considered IMPOSSIBLE! The NIST report asserts that this was the result of a moderate office fire but presented no science to back it up. They may as well have blamed it on fairies. Again YouTube video provides an example of what structural failure due to fire looks like. Look at the 2005 Windsor Tower fire in Madrid Spain. Here you see a modern steel frame high rise fully engulfed in fire. It rages uncontrolled for nearly two days and finally there is some structural failure. This failure is as would be expected, near the top (heat rises), slow in developing and asymmetrical. The aftermath shows a burned out wreck but with the structural frame largely in tact. The building did not simply collapse entirely in seconds.
If you are honest with yourself you simply can't ignore the obvious, WTC7 was brought down by controlled demolition.

THE IMPOSSIBLE DIDN'T HAPPEN ON 911!

For the 3rd time the bldg was missing 18 floors at one corner.

Again....explain the wreckage on the pentagon lawn and the downed light poles if AA77 didnt crash there...as well as the DNA.

CHECKMATE

For the third time, it is the curtain wall which is damaged, a non structural element. That's akin to saying that if you scrape the skin off you leg you can't stand.

By the way I'm not playing chess, I'm pointing out the flaws in your theory.

 

[wihosa]

Wow, First off you cannot make controlled demolition of WTC7 a fact just because you say so. You need some kind of proof other than it looks like a CD..... Yes of course explosions were heard, they are heard in all office fires and many home fires, there are lots of things that go boom when heat is applied.....Or didn't you know that was a fact? Now ask yourself what does a CD sound like? It's not intermittent explosions lasting several hours and then no explosions when a building starts to fall. Never heard of any explosion doing a delayed time destruction sometime after the blast. And you still haven't looked for what could have caused the blast hole at the pentagon....You aren't looking for truth, you are the same as the other CTrs here....

Wow, you can not point to a single instance of what you are claiming in the case of WTC7. NOT ONE! Please show me where it has ever happened.

Oh you can't, you just have your totally debunked theory that somehow a moderate office fire caused the sudden, immediate and total collapse of the type of building which is the most engineered in history.

Your theory is as plausible as claiming fairies did it.

As for the Pentagon, again it is your theory that somehow a plane punched through two feet of steel reinforced concrete, plowed through major support columns and somehow caused the punch out hole in the "c" ring wall and then completely burned up leaving only a couple small parts behind.

None of that theory was ever proven, but that is the theory you have chosen to defend.

You are the conspiracy theorist.

What am I claiming? What are you claiming? There was no Moderate office fire in Bldg 7 there was a uncontrolled office fire if you would get off the truther sites and find real proof, but you don't want real proof do you. Take a look at the south side of WTC 7 instead of the north side....Moderate office fire? i think not.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Afb7eUHr64U#]WTC 7 fires and south side hole - YouTube[/ame]!

A couple small parts at the pentagon? And the DNA evidence? Do you understand how the pentagon is built? What the walls are like after the reinforced Facade? Once the plane was through that it was nothing for the blast of the fuel to reach the C ring wall. Besides all the parts that were found of the plane and the bodies...

I bet you think a missile did it, And you want to know why the Air defense systems didn't stop it...

I'm still waiting for you to show another steel frame high rise that collapsed suddenly, immediately and totally as a result of fire.

As for a missile hitting the Pentagon, is that what you think but are afraid to say?

 

[wihosa]

Don't forget that the direction of impact of the falling upper floors was through the line of most resistance

Most resistance? Are you friggin' nuts?! You must be. Explain how the floor below the descending upper section is the "path of most resistance"? Each floor is designed to handle the load of people, computers, desks, cubicles, etc., not handle the descending force/load an entire upper third of the building.

And you claim to understand structures???

and there is what engineers refer to as the conservation of momentum.

You have no clue what this means do you? According to you, if I throw a baseball at the window of a house, the window should resist the baseball and not shatter.



What do the columns have to do with ANYTHING? The upper section impacted the floor directly below. There is no way the truss connections could handle this force and were ripped apart. You idiots seem to think the structures are solid objects, what you fail to realize is that these structures were designed to handle static loads, not loads in motion.

Since you claim to know and understand so much about structural engineering, please show us how much of a load/force was generated by the upper descending section and how it compares to what the "safety factor of 4" load limit was. I'll bet you that you have NO CLUE and are just parroting the words of other delusional people.

The pancaking theory doesn't hold water because with each successive floor impact the momentum would have been reduced.

Who said anything about a pancake theory? The upper section was ripped apart, but it STILL was a descending mass. Each floor it impacted ADDED to the mass.

Don't forget it didn't gain weight and each floor was designed to support all the weight above it with a safety factor of four.

And this is where you are COMPLETELY incorrect. As explained above, each floor was designed for live loads, not the support of the entire structure above. Your stupidity is really beginning to show. Again, I can't believe I have to explain this to you.

The weight of the floor's live loads are transferred to the columns, which is transferred to the grillages set on bedrock at the base.

Are you trying to tell me that the floor my desk is sitting upon right now has the entire weight of the above section of the building (floors, people, columns, everything) placed upon it?

So then you do believe the pancaking "theory". Where are the pancaked floors?Oh thats right, there aren't any.

All the structural columns of each floor are designed to support the imposed loads of all the floors and columns of the floors above.

 

[wihosa]

So, based on my post above wihosa, how much of a load was each floor able to support/resist?

Next, figure out how much of a load was imparted on the immediate floor below the descending upper section?

Let us know what you get.

Hopefully you'll begin to see that the floor below was no match for the upper descending section's load and sheared the floor connections from the perimeter and core columns. This happened all the way down the towers. This is why you see the perimeter columns falling outward like a peeled banana. Once the floors were sheared away, there was no lateral support to keep the perimeter columns from falling outward from the tower itself.

That's why you see many of the perimeter columns in the debris with their floor truss connections sheared off.

What looked like these, circled in red:

Now look like this:

Where are the pancaked floors?

Oh they turned to dust I suppose. Or maybe the fairies took them away.

Don't forget that you still have to defend the Achilles heal of your conspiracy theory, WTC7. No steel framed high rise has ever suffered sudden, immediate and total collapse due to fire, and the NIST still after eleven years can't explain it but maybe you can.
It's your theory to defend.

 

[wihosa]

You have demonstrated that it is you who does not know the meaning of symmetrical.

Yeah. One section of the building, followed by the next, followed by the next...

That's symmetrical all right...

You obviously don't know what symmetrical means. It means that some think that the whole structure of WTC7 came down at the same time. This is why idiots like eots and Gage show only the remaining facade coming down and neglect showing the east penthouse. It's so that they can lie to people and claim a "symmetrical collapse".

WTC7 suffered sudden, immediate and total collapse supposedly due to a moderate fire. You can't point to another instance of this ever happening which makes it an extraordinary claim, requiring extraordinary proof.

Why don't you provide it?

By the way, your juvenile cuckoo face reveals you desperation.

 

[gslack]

Wow, First off you cannot make controlled demolition of WTC7 a fact just because you say so. You need some kind of proof other than it looks like a CD..... Yes of course explosions were heard, they are heard in all office fires and many home fires, there are lots of things that go boom when heat is applied.....Or didn't you know that was a fact? Now ask yourself what does a CD sound like? It's not intermittent explosions lasting several hours and then no explosions when a building starts to fall. Never heard of any explosion doing a delayed time destruction sometime after the blast. And you still haven't looked for what could have caused the blast hole at the pentagon....You aren't looking for truth, you are the same as the other CTrs here....

Wow, you can not point to a single instance of what you are claiming in the case of WTC7. NOT ONE! Please show me where it has ever happened.

Oh you can't, you just have your totally debunked theory that somehow a moderate office fire caused the sudden, immediate and total collapse of the type of building which is the most engineered in history.

Your theory is as plausible as claiming fairies did it.

As for the Pentagon, again it is your theory that somehow a plane punched through two feet of steel reinforced concrete, plowed through major support columns and somehow caused the punch out hole in the "c" ring wall and then completely burned up leaving only a couple small parts behind.

None of that theory was ever proven, but that is the theory you have chosen to defend.

You are the conspiracy theorist.

Previously I started a thread entitled "do you believe the official 911 story?" It was immediately moved to the conspiracy theory category even though I advocated no theory at all. I then followed that up with a thread called "who's the conspiracy theorist?" Where I pointed out that the defenders of the official story are the conspiracy theorists since there was never a criminal trial and so no facts were established and we are left only with the assertions of the official conspiracy theorists.

In my first thread I pointed to two parts of the story which just don't stand scrutiny. First the vanishing pentagon plane and second the collapse of WTC7. These are not the only parts of the story which don't add up, just the most glaring and obvious.

We are to believe that the highjacker was with very little flight training able to make a very tight descending spiral turn and slam into the Pentagon. Professional pilots have attested to the difficulty of this maneuver and doubted an amateur could pull it off. Then the plane punched thought the side of the Pentagon which is two feet thick steel reinforced concrete, the wings folded back but remained attached to the fuselage as well as the tail section and were dragged into the building where it continued on through the structural support columns (these are very substantial as it is a three story structure) and all the way to where it punched another hole in the "C ring" wall in the interior of the Pentagon. Then the entire plane along with the passengers and baggage almost completely burned up, leaving only a couple of pieces of wreckage which could have come from an airliner. Pictures taken immediately after the impact make clear that the exterior wall was still intact and the large structural failure was due to the ensuing fire so what ever hit the pentagon punched through the exterior as it did the "C ring" wall. I noted that one would expect to find at least the tail section on the ground outside the building and much more debris. The conspiracy theorists (defenders of the official story) pointed to a video of a fighter jet on a rail being slammed into a block of concrete as evidence that the plane would have been obliterated, but the video doesn't show the aftermath so it's hard to tell what was left of the plane, besides if the plane was obliterated upon contact how did it punch through the exterior wall, the structural columns and the "C"ring wall? Additionally, even if all these improbable events did occur, the idea that the plane was almost entirely consumed by fire is silly. Aluminum melts at around 1600degrees F but does not burn until heated to over 6000degrees F far beyond the temps resulting from hydrocarbon fires. There should have been large globs of melted aluminum inside the pentagon but the pictures of the aftermath don't show this. Finally I pointed out that there is YouTube video of an airliner of like size and weight which crashed on takeoff in Lagos Nigeria. It slammed into the side of a much less substantial wood frame apartment building. It did not penetrate all the way through. The tail section as expected was almost untouched and though the plane exploded and burned the airframe is easily recognized, and passengers and luggage are clearly evident. The conspiracy theorists want to hang their hat on the fact that some debris which looks similar to airliner parts were found and that light poles out side the Pentagon were knocked down or that DNA was "found" inside the Pentagon days later. Clearly, this was a conspiracy and if as I am saying it was not as a result of the official conspiracy theory, then the real conspirators had every motivation to plant phony evidence to cover their tracks.

Then there is WTC7, the smoking gun as it were. Here, if it weren't so monstrously evil it would be laughable. The evidence which can be gleaned overwhelmingly points to controlled demolition. Watch the YouTube video of the collapse, it falls neatly straight down at near free fall speed into its own footprint. This can ONLY happen if ALL the support columns fail simultaneously on each floor and synchronously from floor to floor. The chances of this happening from a random event are so vanishingly small that it must be considered IMPOSSIBLE! The NIST report asserts that this was the result of a moderate office fire but presented no science to back it up. They may as well have blamed it on fairies. Again YouTube video provides an example of what structural failure due to fire looks like. Look at the 2005 Windsor Tower fire in Madrid Spain. Here you see a modern steel frame high rise fully engulfed in fire. It rages uncontrolled for nearly two days and finally there is some structural failure. This failure is as would be expected, near the top (heat rises), slow in developing and asymmetrical. The aftermath shows a burned out wreck but with the structural frame largely in tact. The building did not simply collapse entirely in seconds.
If you are honest with yourself you simply can't ignore the obvious, WTC7 was brought down by controlled demolition.

THE IMPOSSIBLE DIDN'T HAPPEN ON 911!

For the 3rd time the bldg was missing 18 floors at one corner.

Again....explain the wreckage on the pentagon lawn and the downed light poles if AA77 didnt crash there...as well as the DNA.

CHECKMATE

For the third time, it is the curtain wall which is damaged, a non structural element. That's akin to saying that if you scrape the skin off you leg you can't stand.

By the way I'm not playing chess, I'm pointing out the flaws in your theory.

The bolded and underlined part, nonsense...

The outer "curtain" as you called it was a structural element. It was explained in the construction videos you twoofers use a lot.. The outer mesh curtain helped to maintain structural integrity at the outside edges. that's why there was no outer pillars or concrete and rebar shafts anywhere but near the core or center... It so they had more "window space"... Other structures wanting more window space rely on corner pillars and inside shafts at various spots near the outer walls...