The Illusion of Moral Decline

[Chillicothe]

The moral climate has been declining since Deuternomy 22, where God said that if your little Emmy did the nasty with cute Scotty next door, well, you had to bring her to your front porch and let the neighbors, ummm, kill her.

("she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing ......by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house.")

Once we gave up that little kinetic exercise ...... it's been downhill.

 

[Arlette]

It takes sin to destroy a marriage, and that is moral decline and decay .... You can't win the argument, so just give it up.

Sin is a religious concept. If you believe that divorce is a sin that's lands you in hell, don't divorce. It's that simple. Obviously a whole lot of people ain't afraid of hell.

 

[Chillicothe]

"It takes sin to destroy a marriage, and that is moral decline and decay...."

Ummm, and some people want Don Trump, the serial adulterer against three wives, and confirmed rapist?

Yeah, me neither.

 

[SeaMajor7]

The moral climate has been declining since Deuternomy 22, where God said that if your little Emmy did the nasty with cute Scotty next door, well, you had to bring her to your front porch and let the neighbors, ummm, kill her.

("she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing ......by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house.")

Once we gave up that little kinetic exercise ...... it's been downhill.

Yeah, then Jesus said fuck all that, and society thrived afterward.
Then came Mohammed. and then Marxist Leninist Stalinist communism.
Woot!!!

 

[Andylusion]

It's a personal choice. Nobody is forced to divorce. Or stay married. I don't think that divorce has anything to do with morality.

Oh course it does. Are you saying lying is not a moral in nature? If I promise my life to you, and to stay with you forever for better or worse, and then you get cancer and I ditch you to die alone and in poverty because “that’s not what signed up for” you are telling me there is nothing morally wrong with that?

 

[Andylusion]

Allowing women to escape abuse, physical or mental, is moral progress.

That isn’t even part of this debate. And in fact if that was a significant part of marriage, would not that alone be proof of moral decline??

 

[Lastamender]

Politics is wrapped in the narrative that we are suffering through a moral decline. Turns out, that is NOT true, so quit fretting.

Nature.com published a study a few weeks back that not only disputed the narrative of a moral decline but also offered up the factors that push people to believe it:

Biased Exposure: People are predominantly exposed to the bad stories of others (if it bleeds it leads)

Biased Memory: Bad things fade faster than good things leaving a more favorable view of the past.

Those two biases fool people into thinking everyone else is suffering and that they used to live in an easier time and there it is… things must be worse. Guess what? All evidence to the contrary and it is seen in many contemporary countries.

The illusion of moral decline - Nature

We show that the perception of moral decline is pervasive, perdurable, unfounded and easily produced, and suggest that this illusion has implications for research on the misallocation of scarce resources, the underuse of social support and social influence.

www.nature.com

Anecdotal evidence indicates that people believe that morality is declining1,2. In a series of studies using both archival and original data (n = 12,492,983), we show that people in at least 60 nations around the world believe that morality is declining, that they have believed this for at least 70 years and that they attribute this decline both to the decreasing morality of individuals as they age and to the decreasing morality of successive generations. Next, we show that people’s reports of the morality of their contemporaries have not declined over time, suggesting that the perception of moral decline is an illusion. Finally, we show how a simple mechanism based on two well-established psychological phenomena (biased exposure to information and biased memory for information) can produce an illusion of moral decline, and we report studies that confirm two of its predictions about the circumstances under which the perception of moral decline is attenuated, eliminated or reversed (that is, when respondents are asked about the morality of people they know well or people who lived before the respondent was born). Together, our studies show that the perception of moral decline is pervasive, perdurable, unfounded and easily produced. This illusion has implications for research on the misallocation of scarce resources3, the underuse of social support4 and social influence5.

Just the title sounds like an excuse.

 

[Arlette]

Oh course it does. Are you saying lying is not a moral in nature? If I promise my life to you, and to stay with you forever for better or worse, and then you get cancer and I ditch you to die alone and in poverty because “that’s not what signed up for” you are telling me there is nothing morally wrong with that?

I'm not buying into that either/or, good/evil, black and white thinking. Most of life happens in shades of gray.

 

[Andylusion]

I'm not buying into that either/or, good/evil, black and white thinking. Most of life happens in shades of gray.

You can only say that if it isn’t someone breaking their promises to you. You can deny this until the end of time, but if someone does that to you, you would not by denying it was wrong when you’re the one hurt.

 

[Arlette]

You can only say that if it isn’t someone breaking their promises to you. You can deny this until the end of time, but if someone does that to you, you would not by denying it was wrong when you’re the one hurt.

I was talking about divorce in general. You are talking about a very specific scenario. So, apples and oranges.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Politics is wrapped in the narrative that we are suffering through a moral decline. Turns out, that is NOT true, so quit fretting.

Nature.com published a study a few weeks back that not only disputed the narrative of a moral decline but also offered up the factors that push people to believe it:

Biased Exposure: People are predominantly exposed to the bad stories of others (if it bleeds it leads)

Biased Memory: Bad things fade faster than good things leaving a more favorable view of the past.

Those two biases fool people into thinking everyone else is suffering and that they used to live in an easier time and there it is… things must be worse. Guess what? All evidence to the contrary and it is seen in many contemporary countries.

The illusion of moral decline - Nature

We show that the perception of moral decline is pervasive, perdurable, unfounded and easily produced, and suggest that this illusion has implications for research on the misallocation of scarce resources, the underuse of social support and social influence.

www.nature.com

Anecdotal evidence indicates that people believe that morality is declining1,2. In a series of studies using both archival and original data (n = 12,492,983), we show that people in at least 60 nations around the world believe that morality is declining, that they have believed this for at least 70 years and that they attribute this decline both to the decreasing morality of individuals as they age and to the decreasing morality of successive generations. Next, we show that people’s reports of the morality of their contemporaries have not declined over time, suggesting that the perception of moral decline is an illusion. Finally, we show how a simple mechanism based on two well-established psychological phenomena (biased exposure to information and biased memory for information) can produce an illusion of moral decline, and we report studies that confirm two of its predictions about the circumstances under which the perception of moral decline is attenuated, eliminated or reversed (that is, when respondents are asked about the morality of people they know well or people who lived before the respondent was born). Together, our studies show that the perception of moral decline is pervasive, perdurable, unfounded and easily produced. This illusion has implications for research on the misallocation of scarce resources3, the underuse of social support4 and social influence5.

Uh, lets hear what they define as moral decline.


Peoples reports of moral decline ???? Are we going to get that information ?

And waht anecdotal evidence is there about what people believe.

What a lard ass crock of garbage.

 

[The Duke]

Politics is wrapped in the narrative that we are suffering through a moral decline. Turns out, that is NOT true, so quit fretting.

Nature.com published a study a few weeks back that not only disputed the narrative of a moral decline but also offered up the factors that push people to believe it:

Biased Exposure: People are predominantly exposed to the bad stories of others (if it bleeds it leads)

Biased Memory: Bad things fade faster than good things leaving a more favorable view of the past.

Those two biases fool people into thinking everyone else is suffering and that they used to live in an easier time and there it is… things must be worse. Guess what? All evidence to the contrary and it is seen in many contemporary countries.

The illusion of moral decline - Nature

We show that the perception of moral decline is pervasive, perdurable, unfounded and easily produced, and suggest that this illusion has implications for research on the misallocation of scarce resources, the underuse of social support and social influence.

www.nature.com

Anecdotal evidence indicates that people believe that morality is declining1,2. In a series of studies using both archival and original data (n = 12,492,983), we show that people in at least 60 nations around the world believe that morality is declining, that they have believed this for at least 70 years and that they attribute this decline both to the decreasing morality of individuals as they age and to the decreasing morality of successive generations. Next, we show that people’s reports of the morality of their contemporaries have not declined over time, suggesting that the perception of moral decline is an illusion. Finally, we show how a simple mechanism based on two well-established psychological phenomena (biased exposure to information and biased memory for information) can produce an illusion of moral decline, and we report studies that confirm two of its predictions about the circumstances under which the perception of moral decline is attenuated, eliminated or reversed (that is, when respondents are asked about the morality of people they know well or people who lived before the respondent was born). Together, our studies show that the perception of moral decline is pervasive, perdurable, unfounded and easily produced. This illusion has implications for research on the misallocation of scarce resources3, the underuse of social support4 and social influence5.

Hey shitlord, what exactly is leftist shitlord fucktards like you's standard for any kind of morality at all, hmm?

And what do you base it on?

 

[sparky]

And what do you base it on?

whatever metric appeals to their narrative Duke

Note how
one man's moral high ground becomes another's moral turpitude in his thread?

~S~

 

[SweetSue92]

Politics is wrapped in the narrative that we are suffering through a moral decline. Turns out, that is NOT true, so quit fretting.

Nature.com published a study a few weeks back that not only disputed the narrative of a moral decline but also offered up the factors that push people to believe it:

Biased Exposure: People are predominantly exposed to the bad stories of others (if it bleeds it leads)

Biased Memory: Bad things fade faster than good things leaving a more favorable view of the past.

Those two biases fool people into thinking everyone else is suffering and that they used to live in an easier time and there it is… things must be worse. Guess what? All evidence to the contrary and it is seen in many contemporary countries.

The illusion of moral decline - Nature

We show that the perception of moral decline is pervasive, perdurable, unfounded and easily produced, and suggest that this illusion has implications for research on the misallocation of scarce resources, the underuse of social support and social influence.

www.nature.com

Anecdotal evidence indicates that people believe that morality is declining1,2. In a series of studies using both archival and original data (n = 12,492,983), we show that people in at least 60 nations around the world believe that morality is declining, that they have believed this for at least 70 years and that they attribute this decline both to the decreasing morality of individuals as they age and to the decreasing morality of successive generations. Next, we show that people’s reports of the morality of their contemporaries have not declined over time, suggesting that the perception of moral decline is an illusion. Finally, we show how a simple mechanism based on two well-established psychological phenomena (biased exposure to information and biased memory for information) can produce an illusion of moral decline, and we report studies that confirm two of its predictions about the circumstances under which the perception of moral decline is attenuated, eliminated or reversed (that is, when respondents are asked about the morality of people they know well or people who lived before the respondent was born). Together, our studies show that the perception of moral decline is pervasive, perdurable, unfounded and easily produced. This illusion has implications for research on the misallocation of scarce resources3, the underuse of social support4 and social influence5.

"Studies"

Sure

 

[beagle9]

Sin is a religious concept. If you believe that divorce is a sin that's lands you in hell, don't divorce. It's that simple. Obviously a whole lot of people ain't afraid of hell.

No dummy, divorce is not the sin, but the sinning is what leads to the divorce.

 

[beagle9]

Ummm, and some people want Don Trump, the serial adulterer against three wives, and confirmed rapist?

Yeah, me neither.

Fake news on the rapist accusation, because it was never proven. As far as divorce goes, well we don't know if these were gold digging wives who weren't going to be in it for the long term anyways. When billionaires marry ! Great book title wouldn't you say ?? We don't know what happened in these marriages that came together in a celebrity type world lived in, so please go and list all your brave celebrity marriages that failed in hollyweird as well. I'm sure you have actresses and actor's that you worship or idolize that have multiple marriages also. Now take two aspirin and stop being a cherry picking hypocrite..

Salvation is a thing ya know, maybe you should ask for it. Never know.

 

[Andylusion]

Republicans blame moral decline on Democrats, but I know so many Democrats such as myself who go to church on Sundays. I know so many Catholics & Protestants who are Democrats. I know Atheists with good morals who are Democrats. Jews with good morals who are Democrats. Muslims with very good morals who are Democrats. Buddhists... I can go on....an on...and on

If you support murdering babies, and go to church, you are still immoral and evil. Going to church, doesn't make you moral.
Remember, Jesus was murdered by the "Religious devout' people of his day.
You can't support the things Democrats support, and be moral. Going to church, or something else, doesn't change the fact you are immoral.

 

[Andylusion]

link?

Violence is 10% of divorces. Infidelity is 27%, and that alone shows the decline of morals.
But the biggest segment is just "I don't want to be married to this person I promised to be with". Incompatibility (I'm selfish), Grown Apart (I'm selfish), Other which is usually "I'm selfish".
That's more than half of divorces. I would even say money is just "I'm selfish". Because remember the wedding vow? "For richer or poorer"? Morals. People have lost their morals.

 

[OKTexas]

She’s a martyr

Don't ya have to die to be a martyr?

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[C_Clayton_Jones]

That SOB is completely full of shit. Where to start.

Discipline being taken out of schools in the late 60s. Followed by threatening parents if they busted their kids ass.
That has led directly to teachers being attacked by students. When I was in school no one would consider such a thing.
Kids fighting in the school house.
Kids killing other kids. That's what happens when there are no consequences.
The jail house culture in inner cities and minority communities have fostered a devaluation of human life.
LBJs destruction of the nuclear family has increased criminality, which also lends to the devaluation of human life.
Roe v. Wade, ditto.
Now you've got teachers telling their charges that they can play God and chose their gender themselves.
Porn in the class room.
Children be taken to heretofore adult entertainment events. And being told it's normal.
Children being told they are an oppressor, simply based on the color of their skin.

I could go on for pages but if you don't catch my drift by now you're illiterate.

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Conservatives are going to continue to lie about ‘moral decline,’ of course, as they lie about most everything else.

The fact is that conservatives engage in true acts of immorality – such as attacking and vilifying gay and transgender Americans and jeopardizing the health and lives of women with immoral, reprehensible abortion ‘bans.’