The Ideological Spectrum

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    I was just wondering how all of you were taught the ideological spectrum. I was taught that anarchy is on the far left and totalitarianism is on the far right. I've been reading through a lot of threads this morning and I've noticed that many people have referenced the "liberal democrats" as being on the left and "conservatives" as being on the right. I'm not criticizing anyone, I'm just curious as to the common usage on this board so I don't misstate anything. I would classify both major parties in America as being "center-right".
     
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    Ask ten people and you'll get ten different answers.

    Republicans believe that America, and the Republican party, are both center right, while the Democrats are far left.

    Democrats believe that America, and the Democratic party, are centrist, while the GOP is far right. The last election just proved them right, and Obama's centrist policies and cabinet choices, while horrifying some on the left, have confirmed that Obama is indeed a centrist.

    The spectrum was handier back in the simpler days of the Cold War when one issue, relations with Russia, dominated everything -- your position on that one issue pretty much summed up your "color", red or blue. Today, there are a dozen different issues, and anybody who is actually capable of thinking for themselves, rather than just adhering to the platform of the party they belong to, is capable of being a hardliner on guns, a centrist on abortion, a leftist on gay marriage, all at the same time.

    That problem pops up in all sorts of places, and gets even weirder the further from America you get. For instance, Stalin, economically, was way to the left. But in every other respect, Stalin was a rightwing totalitarian.

    So the meaning of the spectrum can change depending on the times and the issues that dominate them, and on where you are in the world.

    And there is a bit of namecalling too. Whenever a Republican had a weak argument, he would try to strengthen it by using a boring GOP scare-word, "liberal". After they wore it out with overuse, they began screeching "socialist" at the drop of a hat. Currently the Republicans are trying to redefine any policy they don't like as "socialism", whereas socialism only applies to government ownership of the means of economic production.
     
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    If the meaning of terms change, then there is no meaning at all. Without commonly acknowledged definitions for terms, we cannot understand each other. If we cannot understand each other, we cannot debate open and honestly.
     
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    How I wish people would respect knowledge like you ask.

    They dont, they twist and turn and call verifiable proof bullshit here.

    Its the price you pay for trying to bring truth to people who want to hide in the back of the cave and remain stupid and in the dark.
     
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    Llama, I disagree with you, there was nothing about Stalin's economic policies that could be considered left.
     
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    It might be a blessing in disguise. If people can no longer slam each other with "socialist" and "neocon", they might actually have to debate issues on their merits.

    Or try to, anyway.
     
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    Im really liken the company in this thread.
     
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    Here's all you need to know for purposes of this board:

    Raising the top marginal income tax rate on the richest americans from 33 to 39% = Marxist-Lennist.

    Invading Iraq= Compassionate conservatism.

    Redeploying from iraq = Radical pacifist and raising the white flag of surrender.

    Warrantless wiretapping of americans - Strict constitutional constructionism
     
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    RedDawn, are you implying that there are a lot of neo-conservative morons on this board? I'm shocked and amazed!!!:lol:
     
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    Usually Republicans use much smaller words than that, to reflect their drooling, knuckledragging base. Mein Kampf as told by Doctor Seuss.


     

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