The idea that the rich owe the government is backwards

This idea that the rich are only rich because of the government is dumb. I know that the liberals want to say that the manufacturer owes the government for the police, firefighters, roads, education of their employees, etc….

But this is totally backwards. Without the wealthy in this country we would have no roads. We would have no police, firefighters, or schools. The fact is Liberal live in a box. Look at Detroit the place is a ghost town. Look at California, Illinois, New York, and other heavy liberal states. They are suffering greatly because most of their business creators have left.

Many of the wealthy have left. Liberals need to wake up and realize we need the wealthy more than the wealthy needs America. There was a time when America was head and feet above the rest of the world but that just is not the case anymore. If we continue to attack the rich, the rich will up and leave. We are competing for the rich to want to be here.

Look we could tax the rich in a country full of the wealthy at 5% and still get more money than we would taxing a nation full of the poor at 100%. Plus the rich are the ones that create the middle class. Without the rich there is no middle class. Which is of course is the reason that when progressives get into power the rich start to leave and the middle class starts to dwindle.

And guess what liberals you can not hire government workers if you have no money coming in through taxes. So believe what you want but in the end reality will always win. How difficult are these facts to understand????

Fool.

Kansas is tearing up their roads and replacing them with gravel.

Classes are growing because teachers are being let go.

Firemen are being let go.

Police are being let go.

You are so fucking stupid, you don't know anything.

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Rich people buy Republican politicians, the best money can buy. To change the laws and remove regulations to do what used to be illegal and is now legal. Thanks GOP.
 
This idea that the rich are only rich because of the government is dumb. I know that the liberals want to say that the manufacturer owes the government for the police, firefighters, roads, education of their employees, etc….

But this is totally backwards. Without the wealthy in this country we would have no roads. We would have no police, firefighters, or schools. The fact is Liberal live in a box. Look at Detroit the place is a ghost town. Look at California, Illinois, New York, and other heavy liberal states. They are suffering greatly because most of their business creators have left.

Many of the wealthy have left. Liberals need to wake up and realize we need the wealthy more than the wealthy needs America. There was a time when America was head and feet above the rest of the world but that just is not the case anymore. If we continue to attack the rich, the rich will up and leave. We are competing for the rich to want to be here.

Look we could tax the rich in a country full of the wealthy at 5% and still get more money than we would taxing a nation full of the poor at 100%. Plus the rich are the ones that create the middle class. Without the rich there is no middle class. Which is of course is the reason that when progressives get into power the rich start to leave and the middle class starts to dwindle.

And guess what liberals you can not hire government workers if you have no money coming in through taxes. So believe what you want but in the end reality will always win. How difficult are these facts to understand????

OK, you don't want the rich to pay any more taxes, but we have a 14 trillion dollar debt.

Who, SPECIFICALLY, do you want to pay that off, once you've exempted the Rich from the bill?

Hey I have a better idea, why don't we live within our means?? Why do we spend more than we make?? I think cutting spending makes a lot more sense than raising taxes. The more we give the jokers in Washington, the more they spend. Cut off their allowance and see how fast they bring the budget under control.

I don't care who you are and how much you think others will just pick up the slack, it isn't happening. Businesses are moving over seas in record numbers, if they were being replaced by new and better entrepreneurs, unemployment wouldn't be over 9 percent for three years.

Yea, just tax those rich mothers, they have plenty of $ to waste. After all why should THEY get to keep it??
 
OK, you don't want the rich to pay any more taxes, but we have a 14 trillion dollar debt.

Who, SPECIFICALLY, do you want to pay that off, once you've exempted the Rich from the bill?

It is not that I don't want it is that we can't keep doing it and survive. It is as simple as that. Currently we have the highest tax rate among developed nations and ranked 62nd out of all nations. We are talking about raising their taxes even more and villainizing them telling them they don't pay enough. Since 2008 rich people have been leaving the country. People say that the rich pay less than they ever have but that is because so many rich have left not because their taxes are high enough. Even in the 30, 40, 50, etc… when marginal rates were like 90 something percent the rich actually only paid something like 20%. Even then we had an edge competing against other nations. That is not the case anymore. We have to have a competitive tax rate against other nations and that mean lowering our tax rates on the rich not raising them.

In the end, we have to lower the tax burden on the rich and hope it produces more jobs in the future for the middle class. We have to have a tax that widens the base so we can try to spread the burden around. Last, we have to cut spending. There is not question we have to cut spending. Maybe in the future if the economy picks up and we start to get more revenue we can increase spending again or lower taxes. But for now we need to cut.
 
All knowledge has a past, all work requires educated people, all businesses require a means to communicate and transport, all business requires law, the idea that the rich can create wealth is one of the stupidest rationalizations of the contemporary right wing corporate puppet. Drop the rich off on a desert island and they'd look as stupid as Gilligan's Island and less entertaining.
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"In 1929 Federal, state, and municipal governments accounted for about 8 percent of all economic activity in the United States. By the 1960s that figure was between 20 and 25 percent, far exceeding that in India, a socialist country. The National Science Foundation reckoned that federal funds were paying for 90 percent of research in aviation and space travel, 65 percent in electrical and electronic devices, 42 percent in Scientific Instruments, 31 percent in machinery, 28 percent in metal alloys, 24 percent in automobiles, and 20 percent in chemicals." William Manchester "The Glory and the Dream"
 
All knowledge has a past, all work requires educated people, all businesses require a means to communicate and transport, all business requires law, the idea that the rich can create wealth is one of the stupidest rationalizations of the contemporary right wing corporate puppet. Drop the rich off on a desert island and they'd look as stupid as Gilligan's Island and less entertaining.
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"In 1929 Federal, state, and municipal governments accounted for about 8 percent of all economic activity in the United States. By the 1960s that figure was between 20 and 25 percent, far exceeding that in India, a socialist country. The National Science Foundation reckoned that federal funds were paying for 90 percent of research in aviation and space travel, 65 percent in electrical and electronic devices, 42 percent in Scientific Instruments, 31 percent in machinery, 28 percent in metal alloys, 24 percent in automobiles, and 20 percent in chemicals." William Manchester "The Glory and the Dream"
 
This idea that the rich are only rich because of the government is dumb.

Who is saying this? The comment by Warren was this:

Elizabeth Warren: "There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own" - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
Warren rejects the concept that it is possible for Americans to become wealthy in isolation.

"You built a factory out there? Good for you," she says. "But I want to be clear: you moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for; you hired workers the rest of us paid to educate; you were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn't have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory, and hire someone to protect against this, because of the work the rest of us did."

She continues: "Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea? God bless. Keep a big hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along."
 
All knowledge has a past, all work requires educated people, all businesses require a means to communicate and transport, all business requires law, the idea that the rich can create wealth is one of the stupidest rationalizations of the contemporary right wing corporate puppet. Drop the rich off on a desert island and they'd look as stupid as Gilligan's Island and less entertaining.

Then why aren't all people rich. If the government can make people rich, then why isn't everyone rich? If the government chose these individuals to be the rich one, why not chose new rich people to replace the ones that left? Why didn't they do that in Detroit? The fact is it takes more than just those things for someone to make it rich. Many times it takes talent. Talent is not something government can create. To pretend everything we as individuals have owe it to the government and not to ourselves for being self motivated is plain stupid. The government, especially in the US, exists for the people not the other way around. Is government going to go out and just create a new Steve Jobs?

"In 1929 Federal, state, and municipal governments accounted for about 8 percent of all economic activity in the United States. By the 1960s that figure was between 20 and 25 percent, far exceeding that in India, a socialist country. The National Science Foundation reckoned that federal funds were paying for 90 percent of research in aviation and space travel, 65 percent in electrical and electronic devices, 42 percent in Scientific Instruments, 31 percent in machinery, 28 percent in metal alloys, 24 percent in automobiles, and 20 percent in chemicals." William Manchester "The Glory and the Dream"

That is all great. I would prefer to go back to the 8 percent. The private industry can continue to create and come up with new ideas. I'm not going to say there is no need for government as government is needed to protect its citizens from others but not from the citizens themselves. That is part of the problem we have become a nation that protects citizens from paying consequences for their own actions. This creates a citizen that will take to many risks that everyone else has to pay for. Government should treat people as equal regardless of class, status, race, etc...
 
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Fool.

Kansas is tearing up their roads and replacing them with gravel.

Classes are growing because teachers are being let go.

Firemen are being let go.

Police are being let go.

You are so fucking stupid, you don't know anything.

Rich people buy Republican politicians, the best money can buy. To change the laws and remove regulations to do what used to be illegal and is now legal. Thanks GOP.

Please provide examples. They are tearing up the roads, letting teachers, firemen, and police go because we can not afford to pay for the liberal pension promises made to the Unions. You are pretty fucking stupid for not knowing that.
 
Who is saying this? The comment by Warren was this:

Elizabeth Warren: "There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own" - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
Warren rejects the concept that it is possible for Americans to become wealthy in isolation.

"You built a factory out there? Good for you," she says. "But I want to be clear: you moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for; you hired workers the rest of us paid to educate; you were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn't have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory, and hire someone to protect against this, because of the work the rest of us did."

She continues: "Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea? God bless. Keep a big hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along."

But how did we build roads and schools with out the rich paying taxes in the beginning? How did the police and firemen get hired without the money from the wealthy? To pretend this all just magically happened then the rich suddenly appeared because of these things appearing is dumb.
 
The rich are rich because they control government and wall street. They make the rules and slant the game in their favor. Don't you ever wonder why only rich people can afford to run for office?

Unfortunately for them they have not been able to completely rig the system and some people can become rich if they happen to work very hard and be in the right place at the right time with the planets all lining up for them. After all of that they will only move up the ladder so far, because the ultra rich have seen to it that they can only go so far.

We are heading for disaster if we don't fix the game, and it could be violent all depending on how tight the rich want to hold onto their power over every aspect of our lives.
 
But how did we build roads and schools with out the rich paying taxes in the beginning? How did the police and firemen get hired without the money from the wealthy? To pretend this all just magically happened then the rich suddenly appeared because of these things appearing is dumb.

We all paid taxes. The problem, IMHO, is the loopholes which allow people richer than I to pay less taxes than I do. I'm in the 28% bracket. Although I'd like to see my taxes reduced, what I'd like better is 1) getting more bang for my buck and 2) that those richer than I pay at least as much as I do.
 
The rich are rich because they control government and wall street. They make the rules and slant the game in their favor. Don't you ever wonder why only rich people can afford to run for office?

Unfortunately for them they have not been able to completely rig the system and some people can become rich if they happen to work very hard and be in the right place at the right time with the planets all lining up for them. After all of that they will only move up the ladder so far, because the ultra rich have seen to it that they can only go so far.

We are heading for disaster if we don't fix the game, and it could be violent all depending on how tight the rich want to hold onto their power over every aspect of our lives.

Please give some examples of how the rich is controling your life? Please give examples of how the rich run the government. Seeing the government is attacking the rich and that is what this discussion is about the how is it they run the government. They are attacking themselves?
 
We all paid taxes. The problem, IMHO, is the loopholes which allow people richer than I to pay less taxes than I do. I'm in the 28% bracket. Although I'd like to see my taxes reduced, what I'd like better is 1) getting more bang for my buck and 2) that those richer than I pay at least as much as I do.

A lot of them pay way more than you do. It depends if they have a way to participate with the crony capitalism. There are others that pay a much higher rate. I would agree though as I’m in the same tax bracket as you. I would like to see the tax base increased and see my taxes decrease. But increasing the tax on the rich when really it should do down is not the answer.
 
Then why didnt these godlike CEOs chose some other country to make their trillions in?


Heres a clue why.

The American infrastructure.


Now why didnt they just move to some other nation with such a great infrastructure?

Oh there wasnt one?


So now that our infrastructure has been ignored for a decade is is begining to crumble they are moving their shit over seas while they continued to live here.

In places like China they are not asked to pay to maintain the infrastructure because China gives then breaks to move there.


When they have used up chinas infrastructure they will move elsewhere.


They could not have built the companies they built without the American infrastructure.


Lie all you want about it , it wont change the real facts.

Where do you live exactly that the infrastructure is crumbling? I have been around the world and we still have better roads, school buildings, etc... The problem is spending is not the answer for every single problem. In fact government spending most time is the problem. Because schools have been made to seem free is why no one cares about school. If parents had to pay for the children to go to school, then parents would care about what their kid is doing in school. When you make something seem free(it really isn't) people start to not care.

you live in a fantasy land.

Do you know what the reports on our infrastructure say?


The taxes on the top bracket are lower than they have been for decades.

WHERE ARE THE FUCKING JOBS ????????
 
Then why didnt these godlike CEOs chose some other country to make their trillions in?


Heres a clue why.

The American infrastructure.


Now why didnt they just move to some other nation with such a great infrastructure?

Oh there wasnt one?


So now that our infrastructure has been ignored for a decade is is begining to crumble they are moving their shit over seas while they continued to live here.

In places like China they are not asked to pay to maintain the infrastructure because China gives then breaks to move there.


When they have used up chinas infrastructure they will move elsewhere.


They could not have built the companies they built without the American infrastructure.


Lie all you want about it , it wont change the real facts.

Where do you live exactly that the infrastructure is crumbling? I have been around the world and we still have better roads, school buildings, etc... The problem is spending is not the answer for every single problem. In fact government spending most time is the problem. Because schools have been made to seem free is why no one cares about school. If parents had to pay for the children to go to school, then parents would care about what their kid is doing in school. When you make something seem free(it really isn't) people start to not care.

you live in a fantasy land.

Do you know what the reports on our infrastructure say?


The taxes on the top bracket are lower than they have been for decades.

WHERE ARE THE FUCKING JOBS ????????

ask obamallama. whydonchya?
 
Then why didnt these godlike CEOs chose some other country to make their trillions in?


Heres a clue why.

The American infrastructure.


Now why didnt they just move to some other nation with such a great infrastructure?

Oh there wasnt one?


So now that our infrastructure has been ignored for a decade is is begining to crumble they are moving their shit over seas while they continued to live here.

In places like China they are not asked to pay to maintain the infrastructure because China gives then breaks to move there.


When they have used up chinas infrastructure they will move elsewhere.


They could not have built the companies they built without the American infrastructure.


Lie all you want about it , it wont change the real facts.

Where do you live exactly that the infrastructure is crumbling? I have been around the world and we still have better roads, school buildings, etc... The problem is spending is not the answer for every single problem. In fact government spending most time is the problem. Because schools have been made to seem free is why no one cares about school. If parents had to pay for the children to go to school, then parents would care about what their kid is doing in school. When you make something seem free(it really isn't) people start to not care.

you live in a fantasy land.

Do you know what the reports on our infrastructure say?


The taxes on the top bracket are lower than they have been for decades.

WHERE ARE THE FUCKING JOBS ????????

Yes where are all those green jobs? Never mind they evaporated once it was clear green energy was a crony payoff.
 
the taxes are lowwer than they have been in decades.

You guys always claim it will create jobs.

WHERE ARE THE FUCKING JOBS TO PROVE YOU ARE RIGHT?????>?


you all support historically failed ideas
 
the taxes are lowwer than they have been in decades.

You guys always claim it will create jobs.

WHERE ARE THE FUCKING JOBS TO PROVE YOU ARE RIGHT?????>?


you all support historically failed ideas

I'd say yer right.. Zero is pretty damn fucking LOW..
 

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