The Great Water Heist

[PixieStix]

Sounds like Communism comrade.

So?

What's your point?

You have the right to voice your opinions.

You don't have the right to impose your opinions on the rest of us through action.

And the most amazing fact is that if you lived in a country that had the kind of control you like you would ether be in a Gulog or get a bullet in the back of your head.

It is that kind of individuals that have allowed government to destroy our country, one freedom at a time. They make me sick. They are ignorant beyond the pale, If they want to live as a socialist or a communist I too think they should move to a country that is government controlled

Where the hell do these people come from and what kind of education/indoctrination did they get, to think like that???

Little things like banning flavored cigarettes, placing a new chemical in what has not been banned, taking over car companies and banks and next, our healthcare. Is not insignificant.

We used to be able to get anything we wanted in this country, but now, our awsome country is turning into Europe.

I don't know if anyone has noticed, but our standard of living has already went down.

 

[PixieStix]

They are going to put a federal tax on every flush of the toilet .

Umm it is called a sewer bill.

ignorant

 

[Joe Steel]

Sounds like Communism comrade.

So?

What's your point?

You have the right to voice your opinions.

You don't have the right to impose your opinions on the rest of us through action.

And the most amazing fact is that if you lived in a country that had the kind of control you like you would ether be in a Gulog or get a bullet in the back of your head.

I'm not imposing anything. I'm making some suggestions.

Here's a good one:

Private land ownership is grossly unfair. Many landowners inherited their land from early settlers who did nothing more than kill native Americans to get it. Others merely claimed it under government programs. We should allow every American an equal chance to control land by making it available by lease from the government. That would create an added benefit. If the government found a better use, it could lease the land to someone else when the term expired. Then the land wouldn't be tied-up under the control of some deadbeat who's not doing anything very productive with it.

 

[uscitizen]

I'm confused as to what the objection is to protecting the water supply....

perhaps someone who's read the bill can tell me.

I guess some among us believe they have the right to mess up other peoples drinking water?

This is all just a normal course of actions in a country that is growing more populus and it's citizens are negatively impacted by actions of others.

Not a problem back in the days of rape and pillage in America huh?

 

[ba1614]

So?

What's your point?

You have the right to voice your opinions.

You don't have the right to impose your opinions on the rest of us through action.

And the most amazing fact is that if you lived in a country that had the kind of control you like you would ether be in a Gulog or get a bullet in the back of your head.

I'm not imposing anything. I'm making some suggestions.

Here's a good one:

Private land ownership is grossly unfair. Many landowners inherited their land from early settlers who did nothing more than kill native Americans to get it. Others merely claimed it under government programs. We should allow every American an equal chance to control land by making it available by lease from the government. That would create an added benefit. If the government found a better use, it could lease the land to someone else when the term expired. Then the land wouldn't be tied-up under the control of some deadbeat who's not doing anything very productive with it.

Simply put, fuckoff

 

[Old Rocks]

Well, we have government ownership of a good deal of our land. BLM, National Forests, and National Parks. The government has done better in it's ownership of the land than has private enterprise. With a notable exception.

The land that the military has owned, or land associatied with nuclear weopons has problems larger even than the privately owned super fund sites. 1.2 trillion gallons of water in water poor Nevada contaminated from underground nuclear testing. Hanford has a plume of contaminated water that will eventually come out in the Columbia.

The ill use of land is not confined to either the capitalistic mentality, or the socialistic mentality. It is the domain of those that believe the problems of today are far more important than the results of their actions. And the refusal to believe that their actions actually have consequences.

 

[PixieStix]

This past week, I found out that the city government is placing a tax on water runoff. Which means all the water that falls on my house and runs through the gutters and makes it's way to the street will be heavily taxed. I may need to remove my gutters

 

[Ringel05]

This past week, I found out that the city government is placing a tax on water runoff. Which means all the water that falls on my house and runs through the gutters and makes it's way to the street will be heavily taxed. I may need to remove my gutters

Rain barrels.
(invisible ones, to hide them from the government......)

 

[lizzie]

Its all about control Virginia.

Damn straight!

 

[Charles_Main]

So?

What's your point?

You have the right to voice your opinions.

You don't have the right to impose your opinions on the rest of us through action.

And the most amazing fact is that if you lived in a country that had the kind of control you like you would ether be in a Gulog or get a bullet in the back of your head.

I'm not imposing anything. I'm making some suggestions.

Here's a good one:

Private land ownership is grossly unfair. Many landowners inherited their land from early settlers who did nothing more than kill native Americans to get it. Others merely claimed it under government programs. We should allow every American an equal chance to control land by making it available by lease from the government. That would create an added benefit. If the government found a better use, it could lease the land to someone else when the term expired. Then the land wouldn't be tied-up under the control of some deadbeat who's not doing anything very productive with it.

So basically government bureaucrats get to decide who can live where, who can build where, and who can do what where.

No thanks lol.

Government like that only works in the dreams of Left wingers. In practice the bureaucrats giving out the leases would use them to peddle influence, reward their supporters, and keep their opposition down.

I prey to god people like you never take over. It is not that you are evil, you are an idealist, who refuses to accept the reality that Power corrupts.

 

[Darkwind]

We're already pretty far along down this path. Way back in 2005 I discovered the last of my land which I was planning to sell as a capital gain and use to draw from for my retirement was classed as part of the "Waters of Indiana"

Even though it had no permanent stream, just a low lying ditch, beginning at the top of a hill which only had water in it in heavy rains, it was regulated environmentally. It was/is now classed part of the natural drainage pattern of the state though its maybe a mile from any permanent stream. The bottom of that ditch, which is nothing more than a low swale, has an environment of it’s own with established microbiology. It can only be disturbed by mitigation somewhere else.

To sell my property, the buyer would have to protect that ditch by encompassing it with a "conservancy easement"

To cross it with a public road (to be built at his own expense which is always the case) the buyer would have to find a similar environment on someone else’s property in a degraded state, convince that property owner to allow them to correct the deficiency and then allow a "conservancy easement" to be laid over that ditch to replace the one which they intended to disturb by putting a drainage pipe in it's bottom; but not an equal amount of ditch but multiples of the amount to be disturbed so as to improve the overall environmental situation; not just to replace it in equal amounts.

Needless to say, not many buyers want property with so called "planning issues" like that laid over it, or to have to negotiate with a seperate property owner to be willing to impose the same state or affairs on their land. Because of the limited use permitted different from when I bought it in 1992, the value in my case dropped from $250K, the amount my original buyer offered in 2005, to only $100K which is what I got for it when it was finally sold as the site for a single home in 2008.

I got one lucky break: Bush’s tax cuts made that net profit capital gain a tax free event.

What would have been the penalty if you had just filled in the ditch and planted grass?

 

[Darkwind]

So?

What's your point?

You have the right to voice your opinions.

You don't have the right to impose your opinions on the rest of us through action.

And the most amazing fact is that if you lived in a country that had the kind of control you like you would ether be in a Gulog or get a bullet in the back of your head.

I'm not imposing anything. I'm making some suggestions.

Here's a good one:

Private land ownership is grossly unfair. Many landowners inherited their land from early settlers who did nothing more than kill native Americans to get it. Others merely claimed it under government programs. We should allow every American an equal chance to control land by making it available by lease from the government. That would create an added benefit. If the government found a better use, it could lease the land to someone else when the term expired. Then the land wouldn't be tied-up under the control of some deadbeat who's not doing anything very productive with it.

Who gets to decide what is done with the land? An unelected bureaucrat with the IQ of a fucking duck?

You are one fucked up person if you think that government would be that benevolent. This sounds like you're just pissed because people have something you want but don't want to pay for.

 

[WillowTree]

That's the way it should be. The federal government should own every drop of water from sea to shining sea and then some. In fact, the federal government should own every square inch of land, everything above it and and everything below it. Private property in real estate should be tossed onto the trash heap of history. Land is too important to be controlled by self-interested individuals.

Sounds like Communism comrade.

So?

What's your point?

Yer a communist and a stupid one to boot.

 

[WillowTree]

You have the right to voice your opinions.

You don't have the right to impose your opinions on the rest of us through action.

And the most amazing fact is that if you lived in a country that had the kind of control you like you would ether be in a Gulog or get a bullet in the back of your head.

I'm not imposing anything. I'm making some suggestions.

Here's a good one:

Private land ownership is grossly unfair. Many landowners inherited their land from early settlers who did nothing more than kill native Americans to get it. Others merely claimed it under government programs. We should allow every American an equal chance to control land by making it available by lease from the government. That would create an added benefit. If the government found a better use, it could lease the land to someone else when the term expired. Then the land wouldn't be tied-up under the control of some deadbeat who's not doing anything very productive with it.

Who gets to decide what is done with the land? An unelected bureaucrat with the IQ of a fucking duck?

You are one fucked up person if you think that government would be that benevolent. This sounds like you're just pissed because people have something you want but don't want to pay for.

BullsEye

 

[Meister]

That's the way it should be. The federal government should own every drop of water from sea to shining sea and then some. In fact, the federal government should own every square inch of land, everything above it and and everything below it. Private property in real estate should be tossed onto the trash heap of history. Land is too important to be controlled by self-interested individuals.

Sounds like Communism comrade.

So?

What's your point?

At the very least, you do admit that your a communist....or should I say your not denying it. Your living in the free world and feeling like that....move to Cuba or China, you may feel more comfortable.

 

[Meister]

I think the bottom line on this is that the government would control every drop of water from coast to coast (including offshore waters)...

That's the way it should be. The federal government should own every drop of water from sea to shining sea and then some. In fact, the federal government should own every square inch of land, everything above it and and everything below it. Private property in real estate should be tossed onto the trash heap of history. Land is too important to be controlled by self-interested individuals.

oh brother, he sounds sincere.

 

[Old Rocks]

Sounds like Communism comrade.

So?

What's your point?

You have the right to voice your opinions.

You don't have the right to impose your opinions on the rest of us through action.

And the most amazing fact is that if you lived in a country that had the kind of control you like you would ether be in a Gulog or get a bullet in the back of your head.

Well, he does have the right to try to convince others as to the correctness of his ideas. They are certainly no further to the left than those of the Teabaggers are to the right.

However, for any idea to be put into action in this nation, it must be put to the Constitutional test.

 

[Meister]

So?

What's your point?

You have the right to voice your opinions.

You don't have the right to impose your opinions on the rest of us through action.

And the most amazing fact is that if you lived in a country that had the kind of control you like you would ether be in a Gulog or get a bullet in the back of your head.

Well, he does have the right to try to convince others as to the correctness of his ideas. They are certainly no further to the left than those of the Teabaggers are to the right.

However, for any idea to be put into action in this nation, it must be put to the Constitutional test.

I'm sure you would stand behind Joe Steel.

 

[Gatekeeper]

As mentioned in a previous thread it's all about control and if no one was looking the government's agendas, it has been doing this with 'our land' for years by making it FEDERAL in some manner under numerous names, sanctuaries,national forests Just in,NJ they have been buying farms as fast as they can, of course making them a 'green acre' thing so no one can build etc, but THEY own it and control it forever, no longer available to the private citizen.

One of the best ,a few years ago, is the expansion of the Eminent Domain laws, allowing "THEM" to literally steal your hard earned property right out from under your feet and give it to wealthy investors, their pals, all to 'improve' the local economy or 'looks' of particular area.

Ahh yes, Things have changed since 1776, it would seem it's now the "Government of the Wealthy, for the Wealthy and By the Wealthy", for the most part, and that's what controls.

 

[dilloduck]

So?

What's your point?

You have the right to voice your opinions.

You don't have the right to impose your opinions on the rest of us through action.

And the most amazing fact is that if you lived in a country that had the kind of control you like you would ether be in a Gulog or get a bullet in the back of your head.

Well, he does have the right to try to convince others as to the correctness of his ideas. They are certainly no further to the left than those of the Teabaggers are to the right.

However, for any idea to be put into action in this nation, it must be put to the Constitutional test.

In other words, have the Supreme Court find a way to interpret the constitution that allows the government to steal ? No thanks.