The Gaza Situation.

[Billo_Really]

According to hamas themselves gaza is not occupied, and the UN go along with this

The gazans are free to leave at any time and can get exit visa's by the bucket load. Were would they put an airfield in gaza as according to you and all the other ISLAMONAZI stooges there is nowhere to build one as gaza is fully populated.

What occupation, and the blockade has saved countless Jewish lives as shown by the drop in the numbers of dead Israeli's.

Now about the rockets can you explain why they were constantly fired from gaza when Israel had removed all Jewish presence and there was no blockade on. And it took a whole 9 months of constant rocket attacks before the Palestinians had an excuse for the rocket attacks. Shows that your claims are just a fantasy concocted by you to justify your NAZI WHITE SUPREMACIST ANTI SEMITIC JEW HATRED

You keep trying to peddle that Palmer Report as gospel, when it wasn't even convened to determine the legality of the blockade. That "report" has been completely debunked, like many of your dumbass arguments.

 

[Ropey]

Israel was their ancestral homeland. They were expelled by the Romans after Masada. The Romans were Europeans and Europe tried to correct a historical wrong. The Palestinians came after the Hebrews and the Romans...


...not before. :|

 

[Billo_Really]

So the Palestinian peaceful resistance firing rockets right now into Israel aiming civilians which are not involved in the fighting in Gaza because of the occupation and the Israeli aggression, phased it correctly?

You cannot aim an indiscriminant weapon.

And still out of this perspective my opinion remained the same, I would live on a boat far as possible inside the Gaza territorial sea far from the borders since flee Gaza is not an option.

That's 3 miles and you'd still be blown out of the water from an IDF gunboat.

They can't even fish without you fuckers shooting at them!

Same question again Billo.
What the hell are they thinking to fire rockets that doesn't kill(or do any significant damage) against a well armed aggressive and vicious enemy (Israel) from a highly populated area of mostly children below 14(out of any other options*Map below*) as a government STEP (Hamas election) act for resistance?

Everyone has a right to defend themselves against foreign aggression.

You keep missing the point, you fucking asshole, the problem is Israeli aggression, not the Palestinian's and not Hamas. You're no different than Nazi Germany and your actions have effectively shit on the memories of all the victims in the Holocaust.

 

[Billo_Really]

Israel was their ancestral homeland. They were expelled by the Romans after Masada. The Romans were Europeans and Europe tried to correct a historical wrong. The Palestinians came after the Hebrews and the Romans...


...not before. :|

The diaspora was a myth that never happened and what happened 2000 years ago, don't mean fucking shit today!

 

[Ropey]

Palestinian Arabs are asking for it and the Israelis are delivering it with precision air strikes.

Consider it a home delivery.

 

[Billo_Really]

Palestinian Arabs are asking for it and the Israelis are delivering it with precision air strikes.

Consider it a home delivery.

The only thing they are asking for is the basic human rights the rest of the world enjoys and you have no right to keep that from them.

 

[Ropey]

The Palestinian Arabs are in the situation they are in because of their own inability to accept more than one.

They could have had their own state in 1947 but chose war instead because they wanted it all and they keep on picking fights while whining when they lose.

Gaza could easily be its own country.

Just recognize Israel's right to exist, stop shooting rockets, and have country lines along the borders that exist right now. Voila! The war is over, and everyone can live peacefully.

Sheesh!

 

[Daniyel]

So the Palestinian peaceful resistance firing rockets right now into Israel aiming civilians which are not involved in the fighting in Gaza because of the occupation and the Israeli aggression, phased it correctly?

You cannot aim an indiscriminant weapon.

And still out of this perspective my opinion remained the same, I would live on a boat far as possible inside the Gaza territorial sea far from the borders since flee Gaza is not an option.

That's 3 miles and you'd still be blown out of the water from an IDF gunboat.

They can't even fish without you fuckers shooting at them!

Same question again Billo.
What the hell are they thinking to fire rockets that doesn't kill(or do any significant damage) against a well armed aggressive and vicious enemy (Israel) from a highly populated area of mostly children below 14(out of any other options*Map below*) as a government STEP (Hamas election) act for resistance?

Everyone has a right to defend themselves against foreign aggression.

You said-The rockets obviously not doing any significant damage.
You said-They have the right to defend themselves.
You said-They are fully surrounded with IDF forces.
Lets put it all together-
So they basically wasting weapons and justifying IDF airstrikes by firing those rockets aren't they?..
-Please don't bring up the Holocaust, the I/P conflict is unique situation-


[MENTION=2873]Billo_Really[/MENTION]

 

[Billo_Really]

You said-The rockets obviously not doing any significant damage.
You said-They have the right to defend themselves.
You said-They are fully surrounded with IDF forces.
Lets put it all together-
So they basically wasting weapons and justifying IDF airstrikes by firing those rockets aren't they?..

They're not justifying IDF airstrikes, they are responding to them.

The "justification" for IDF airstrikes, in this latest round of violence, started with Netanfuckyou claiming Hamas had something to do with the kidnapping of the 3 teens, which no evidence justifying that claim, has ever been presented.

-Please don't bring up the Holocaust, the I/P conflict is unique situation-


[MENTION=2873]Billo_Really[/MENTION]

The Holocaust didn't just happen overnight. There were years prior to the Final Solution, where the hatred against the Jews was systemically ramped up along with the propaganda that spewed out against them 24/7. They were scapegoated and blamed for all the problems in the country at that time. Laws were created making them 2nd class citizens. They were openly treated as "sub-human" by the average population. Any violence against them was accepted, no matter how horrific it was.

The world was so sickened by this, that it took steps to make sure it would never happen again, by creating the United Nations and international humanitarian law (IHL). So when you deliberately break these laws and act against the UN Charter, you are in essence, destroying the very things put in place, to prevent another Holocaust. Showing disdain and contempt for IHL, renders the lives of the victims of the Holocaust, to have now all died in vain.

 

[Billo_Really]

The Palestinian Arabs are in the situation they are in because of their own inability to accept more than one.

They could have had their own state in 1947 but chose war instead because they wanted it all and they keep on picking fights while whining when they lose.

Gaza could easily be its own country.

Just recognize Israel's right to exist, stop shooting rockets, and have country lines along the borders that exist right now. Voila! The war is over, and everyone can live peacefully.

Sheesh!

States don't have rights, people do.

You want them to stop shooting rockets, then stop shooting missiles first!

 

[Daniyel]

You said-The rockets obviously not doing any significant damage.
You said-They have the right to defend themselves.
You said-They are fully surrounded with IDF forces.
Lets put it all together-
So they basically wasting weapons and justifying IDF airstrikes by firing those rockets aren't they?..

They're not justifying IDF airstrikes, they are responding to them.

The "justification" for IDF airstrikes, in this latest round of violence, started with Netanfuckyou claiming Hamas had something to do with the kidnapping of the 3 teens, which no evidence justifying that claim, has ever been presented.

Again, we are not talking about the Israeli position, we are talking about the pro-Hamas/Palestinian position, Now lets back to the question you didn't answer yet,
Why retaliating with missiles on civilians which obviously doesn't do any significant damage?

This is the rockets outcome including the airstrikes of course:

This is what PM Netanyahu said, which gives Israel "Justification" doesn't matter who shot first.



- The Israeli position about the airstrikes is the rocket launchers, for the tunnels - ground operation.
- The Teens are not even mentioned, although the Israeli Intelligence are certain its Hamas responsibility but don't expect them to expose their sources so easily, this is why I'm leaving it open.
- Don't bring up the Holocaust, we are talking about something else. [MENTION=2873]Billo_Really[/MENTION]

 

[Phoenall]

Everything you said is true, except for 2 things:

- Hamas is not on an "offensive", what they are doing is "resistance to the occupation and Israeli aggression".
- If you and your family try to flee the area on a boat, you will be blown out of the water not long after you take flight. Gazan's are not permitted to leave by sea or air.​

My point is a simple one, just like algebra word problems. You cannot solve any problem until you break it down to the causal level and see how the problem was created in the first place. You have to deal with the root causes, or the problem will just continue on and on and on. Like treating the symptoms and not the disease.

The symptoms in this case, are the rockets; the disease, is the Israeli occupation and blockade. End those and you end the rockets and all the violence and hostility that comes along with it. You will also end all the outrage towards Israel.

If Israel does that and allows the Pals to have the same basic human rights everyone else has and they STILL GET ROCKETS, then the entire world would be on the side of Israel (including me), if they decide to go in and fuck up their (the Pals) shit.

But the occupation and blockade must end, that is the first step.

According to hamas themselves gaza is not occupied, and the UN go along with this

The gazans are free to leave at any time and can get exit visa's by the bucket load. Were would they put an airfield in gaza as according to you and all the other ISLAMONAZI stooges there is nowhere to build one as gaza is fully populated.

What occupation, and the blockade has saved countless Jewish lives as shown by the drop in the numbers of dead Israeli's.

Now about the rockets can you explain why they were constantly fired from gaza when Israel had removed all Jewish presence and there was no blockade on. And it took a whole 9 months of constant rocket attacks before the Palestinians had an excuse for the rocket attacks. Shows that your claims are just a fantasy concocted by you to justify your NAZI WHITE SUPREMACIST ANTI SEMITIC JEW HATRED

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFF4KY-mQk0]Gaza international Airport - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L2NDPVHhTM]GAZA International Airport.mov - YouTube[/ame]

Now under development and the runways would be about big enough for the Wrights Brothers plane. What was there 40 years ago is now no longer capable of being used. So were could they build an airport capable of taking modern aircraft ?


No comment on the rest of my post, is that because you cant find any LIES to post............

 

[eagle1462010]

Ok.................It seems the OP wants a Devil's Advocate position on trying to understand the Gaza situation.

Before I cite this position, I will remind everyone that I believe it is Hamas that is the problem and not Israel. They choose weapons instead of spending money to improve the lives of the people of Gaza forcing Israel to take defensive measures to contain Gaza because of never ending attacks.

So here goes, in an effort of the intent of the OP.

1. Gaza isn't a country but a Prison Camp. You are walling us in to a 50 mile prison. We cannot export products such as olives, and olive oil which is causing massive unemployment due to 35% of the GDP being taken from Gaza. Our economy is non existent. Our workers can't get to a job if there is even a job at all.

2. We can't have a fishing industry as our fishermen are subject to attack or inspection every time they attempt to fish. So more jobs are lost, and less food is produced.

3. Almost all industries in Gaza, such as stone works are gone as there is no way to export the products.

4. Gaza is now dependent on foreign aid to survive, as there are no jobs available anymore due to Gaza being turned into a large prison.

5. Israel charges high tariffs on water supply to the Gaza. Causing more economic hardships. They also tax the Gaza economy when there is no economy left.

So in a nutshell. No jobs. Massive poverty. Dependent on the world to have a place to live and eat. And No Hope.

In this scenario, impoverished people tend to take up arms and have War as they feel they have nothing to lose anyway.

Is this the Devil's advocate position you were looking for in the OP>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

[Challenger]

Israel was their ancestral homeland. They were expelled by the Romans after Masada. The Romans were Europeans and Europe tried to correct a historical wrong. The Palestinians came after the Hebrews and the Romans...
...not before. :|

Israel didn't exist until 1948. The people who lived in the area stayed on as normal, only the lunatic religious terrorists who rebelled were killed or enslaved. The Romans expelled no one, it is counter to Roman thinking, "Wars are costly, the defeated must pay for them. Therefore keep the people in place to pay taxes to pay for the next war. The money we get from slaves pays for the victory party!"

 

[docmauser1]

Israel was their ancestral homeland. They were expelled by the Romans after Masada. The Romans were Europeans and Europe tried to correct a historical wrong. The Palestinians came after the Hebrews and the Romans... ...not before. :|

Israel didn't exist until 1948. The people who lived in the area stayed on as normal, only the lunatic religious terrorists who rebelled were killed or enslaved. The Romans expelled no one, it is counter to Roman thinking, "Wars are costly, the defeated must pay for them. Therefore keep the people in place to pay taxes to pay for the next war. The money we get from slaves pays for the victory party!"

Funny, and where're palistanians in this opus?

 

[montelatici]

Palestinians, the vast majority of them, are the descendants of the people that have always lived in Palestine. When Constantine adopted Christianity as the state religion most of the people converted to Christianity as was required. When the Muslims conquered Byzantium most of the people converted to Islam to avoid being taxed.

 

[Daniyel]

Palestinians, the vast majority of them, are the descendants of the people that have always lived in Palestine. When Constantine adopted Christianity as the state religion most of the people converted to Christianity as was required. When the Muslims conquered Byzantium most of the people converted to Islam to avoid being taxed.

So loyal and reliable people, so why didn't they converted to Judaism to get Israeli ID with all the rights given to minorities in Israel?
You have another huge hole in your theory, Majority of the Palestinians are Egyptians and Jordanians..You can tell by the family name about most Middle-Eastern last names (Jews as well) about the place they came from, common Palestinian last names goes by like al-Masri (The Egyptian) or Almasi (same) to al-Ajlouni (District in Jordan)
Oh and one more big issue - Philistine were Pagans - like the Egyptians - are the same people indeed..the name of Philistine is first appeared in the Bible in Hebrew and based on 'Invaders' who came to invade Israel when the 12 Tribes dragged to Egypt.
This is about the part when Bible and History mixed, if you take the Bible as the support claim for Palestinians on the land very well, if you want the historical claim for Israel, also agreed, but don't twist facts, the Pagans didn't had any problem mixing with other cultures and religions, Jews does, so the relation to Philistine/Palestine is not only weak but also nearly impossible..
If you really have something wise to say, go ahead.

Peace,
Danny.

 

[Billo_Really]

Again, we are not talking about the Israeli position, we are talking about the pro-Hamas/Palestinian position, Now lets back to the question you didn't answer yet,
Why retaliating with missiles on civilians which obviously doesn't do any significant damage?

I'm not the guy to be asking that question to. I'm not Hamas, I'm not muslim and I'm not the one firing the rockets. If I was to guess, that's the only response they have at their disposal. They don't have an army, they don't have a navy, they don't have an airforce, shit, they're not even allowed to have weapons to defend themselves against Israeli tyranny.

What is the point of your question?

Do you expect them to just sit there and take a beating? I don't know anyone who would just sit there and allow someone to beat on them? If someone gets in my face, it's on, mother-fucker!

I think your question is just plain stupid.

This is the rockets outcome including the airstrikes of course:

This is what PM Netanyahu said, which gives Israel "Justification" doesn't matter who shot first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNGckLzytKk

Oh yes it does matter who shot first. It matters who started the fight. It matters who the aggressor is. And in all cases, that aggressor is Israel.

- The Israeli position about the airstrikes is the rocket launchers, for the tunnels - ground operation.

And Israel's position is a crime against humanity.

- The Teens are not even mentioned, although the Israeli Intelligence are certain its Hamas responsibility but don't expect them to expose their sources so easily, this is why I'm leaving it open.

They don't expose them, because they don't have any. They don't have any, because Hamas had nothing to do with it. Yeah, Hamas is going to do a high profile kidnapping in the Fatah controlled, Israeli supported, West Bank. Right.

When the news of the 3 teens first happened, every time Netanfuckyou gave a press conference, he said something about the unity government must be disbanded. That was followed up by accusing Hamas of something to do with the kidnappings. This latest round of violence is based on a lie.

- Don't bring up the Holocaust, we are talking about something else. [MENTION=2873]Billo_Really[/MENTION]

You treat the Palestinian's, like the Nazis treated the Jews. You thumb your nose at the very laws that were created to prevent another Holocaust. Your actions are shitting on the memory of all those who died in those death camps.

 

[montelatici]

Palestinians, the vast majority of them, are the descendants of the people that have always lived in Palestine. When Constantine adopted Christianity as the state religion most of the people converted to Christianity as was required. When the Muslims conquered Byzantium most of the people converted to Islam to avoid being taxed.

So loyal and reliable people, so why didn't they converted to Judaism to get Israeli ID with all the rights given to minorities in Israel?
You have another huge hole in your theory, Majority of the Palestinians are Egyptians and Jordanians..You can tell by the family name about most Middle-Eastern last names (Jews as well) about the place they came from, common Palestinian last names goes by like al-Masri (The Egyptian) or Almasi (same) to al-Ajlouni (District in Jordan)
Oh and one more big issue - Philistine were Pagans - like the Egyptians - are the same people indeed..the name of Philistine is first appeared in the Bible in Hebrew and based on 'Invaders' who came to invade Israel when the 12 Tribes dragged to Egypt.
This is about the part when Bible and History mixed, if you take the Bible as the support claim for Palestinians on the land very well, if you want the historical claim for Israel, also agreed, but don't twist facts, the Pagans didn't had any problem mixing with other cultures and religions, Jews does, so the relation to Philistine/Palestine is not only weak but also nearly impossible..
If you really have something wise to say, go ahead.

Peace,
Danny.

Well, with all that bullshit you have demonstrated that you haven't a clue. Let me repeat, the Christian and Muslim Palestinians are the same people for the most part that have always lived in Palestine. The vast majority of the current Jews in Palestine are offspring of European or North African Jews that have evicted the indigenous people. No amount of bullshit propaganda can change that.

 

[Daniyel]

Palestinians, the vast majority of them, are the descendants of the people that have always lived in Palestine. When Constantine adopted Christianity as the state religion most of the people converted to Christianity as was required. When the Muslims conquered Byzantium most of the people converted to Islam to avoid being taxed.

So loyal and reliable people, so why didn't they converted to Judaism to get Israeli ID with all the rights given to minorities in Israel?
You have another huge hole in your theory, Majority of the Palestinians are Egyptians and Jordanians..You can tell by the family name about most Middle-Eastern last names (Jews as well) about the place they came from, common Palestinian last names goes by like al-Masri (The Egyptian) or Almasi (same) to al-Ajlouni (District in Jordan)
Oh and one more big issue - Philistine were Pagans - like the Egyptians - are the same people indeed..the name of Philistine is first appeared in the Bible in Hebrew and based on 'Invaders' who came to invade Israel when the 12 Tribes dragged to Egypt.
This is about the part when Bible and History mixed, if you take the Bible as the support claim for Palestinians on the land very well, if you want the historical claim for Israel, also agreed, but don't twist facts, the Pagans didn't had any problem mixing with other cultures and religions, Jews does, so the relation to Philistine/Palestine is not only weak but also nearly impossible..
If you really have something wise to say, go ahead.

Peace,
Danny.

Well, with all that bullshit you have demonstrated that you haven't a clue. Let me repeat, the Christian and Muslim Palestinians are the same people for the most part that have always lived in Palestine. The vast majority of the current Jews in Palestine are offspring of European or North African Jews that have evicted the indigenous people. No amount of bullshit propaganda can change that.

Since we don't talk about past 100 years (forum rules) I just wanted to ask you how exactly that theory of yours fit reality, since you said they always lived in Palestine, which obviously they didn't.
So cut the bullshit yourself, I want an answer for the question, what good Hamas brought with the 'resistance' so far except death mostly on the Palestinian side.