Hello,
I Just want to dedicate this thread to what I see coming up again and again in every thread.
-All of the pro-Palestinians claims Hamas attacks or retaliations against Israel is justified.
-All of the pro-Israelis claims Hamas began the provocation and Hamas responsible for the death toll in Gaza.
I want to analyze the pro-Palestinian claim, feel free to correct me.
1.Israel posses massive military power, Intelligence and Defensive Systems to Light infantry and commando units.
2.Hamas including the brigades Az-Adin el Qassam are the legal government elected in Gaza.
3.Hamas offensive is justified and reasonable because of the Israeli Aggression and the occupation of the Palestinians.
4.Gaza is highly populated, mostly with children.
5.Hamas rockets doesn't kill (with exceptions) considering the heavy death toll of Gaza.
6.Israel is an apartheid - target civilians and innocent, cruel and aggressive.
-I want to connect the claims in one big question.-
So out of the assumption all these are true
What the hell are they thinking to fire rockets that doesn't kill(or do any significant damage) against a well armed aggressive and vicious enemy (Israel) from a highly populated area of mostly children below 14(out of any other options*Map below*) as a government step(Hamas election) - could possibly do anything?!
Not to mention the demand list(for 10 years ceasefire)
*List of demands source
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-My humble opinion-
I Wouldn't dare to blow a gum bubble if I was living in Gaza, based on the pro-Palestinian claim of course, considering my opinion as common innocent voted for Hamas.
I would rather flee or live on a boat as far as possible from the borders, I would only seek for any possible way to avoid any sort of conflict, specially while my family and friends in the danger zone.
I Hope you people can explain this situation to me, perhaps I'm missing something like Billo said, once someone is firing rockets at you, you should try to find out the reason why they do so.
Peace,
Danny.
I Just want to dedicate this thread to what I see coming up again and again in every thread.
-All of the pro-Palestinians claims Hamas attacks or retaliations against Israel is justified.
-All of the pro-Israelis claims Hamas began the provocation and Hamas responsible for the death toll in Gaza.
I want to analyze the pro-Palestinian claim, feel free to correct me.
1.Israel posses massive military power, Intelligence and Defensive Systems to Light infantry and commando units.
2.Hamas including the brigades Az-Adin el Qassam are the legal government elected in Gaza.
3.Hamas offensive is justified and reasonable because of the Israeli Aggression and the occupation of the Palestinians.
4.Gaza is highly populated, mostly with children.
5.Hamas rockets doesn't kill (with exceptions) considering the heavy death toll of Gaza.
6.Israel is an apartheid - target civilians and innocent, cruel and aggressive.
-I want to connect the claims in one big question.-
So out of the assumption all these are true
What the hell are they thinking to fire rockets that doesn't kill(or do any significant damage) against a well armed aggressive and vicious enemy (Israel) from a highly populated area of mostly children below 14(out of any other options*Map below*) as a government step(Hamas election) - could possibly do anything?!
Not to mention the demand list(for 10 years ceasefire)
1. Removing Israeli tanks from the Gaza border to a distance that will allow Palestinian farmers to work their lands near the border freely.
Israel’s army would not agree. When Palestinian farmers worked right up to the border fence, gunmen disguised as farmers planted landmines, fired at Israeli patrols and dug tunnels into Israel. Israel insists on a buffer zone inside Palestinian territory of 100-300 yards.
2. Releasing all the prisoners that were arrested following the killing of the three teenage settlers.
3. Removing the siege from Gaza and opening the crossings for goods and for people.This is fine as part of a cease-fire package as long as there is effective monitoring so that no weapons, especially rockets, could be smuggled in. It’s already open for occasional humanitarian relief from Israel but Israel would not open the borders for much more.
4. Opening a sea port and an international airport that will be under UN inspectors.Same as above. With real muscle to stop weapons smuggling, and as part of an agreement with a Palestinian state, this is possible. But not now. It would be very easy to smuggle weapons past UN inspectors.
5. Expanding fishing zone for 10 kilometers from the shore.
In the past the fishing range has varied from 3 - 12 kilometers and this is possible as part of an agreement but again, with proper procedures to stop any weapons smuggling.
6. Turning the Rafah crossing into an international crossing under the inspection of the UN and ally Arab countries.A strong No from Israel. The only control Israel would trust would be officers from the Palestinian Authority. It’s all about Who can stop Hamas from smuggling weapons.
7. Halting fire while the Palestinian factions commit to a cease-fire for 10 years based on having International inspectors on the border with Gaza.This could only happen if Gaza is demilitarized. Israel’s fear is that Hamas would secretly rearm under the noses of international inspectors, whose presence would then tie Israel’s hands if Israel ever wanted to respond to fire from Gaza.
8. Israel should ease the access to and give permits to worshippers from Gaza strip to Al-Aqsa mosque.This has nothing to do with the Gaza conflict, and would merely be a reward for Hamas’ violence, handing it a big propaganda victory among Palestinians.
9. Israel cannot get involved in the internal Palestinian political issues and the political reconciliation process and what follows of elections for presidency and parliament.Israel’s vital security interests are so closely allied to events in the West Bank and Gaza that it must always remain involved. But what happens is mostly secret and will stay that way.
10. Reestablishing the industrial zones and improving the development in the Gaza Strip.Yes to this, but the factories must not be used to manufacture weapons. Anything that bolsters the economic and humanitarian development of Gaza would be supported, but Israel will be unmoved when it comes to security issues.
Israel’s army would not agree. When Palestinian farmers worked right up to the border fence, gunmen disguised as farmers planted landmines, fired at Israeli patrols and dug tunnels into Israel. Israel insists on a buffer zone inside Palestinian territory of 100-300 yards.
2. Releasing all the prisoners that were arrested following the killing of the three teenage settlers.
3. Removing the siege from Gaza and opening the crossings for goods and for people.This is fine as part of a cease-fire package as long as there is effective monitoring so that no weapons, especially rockets, could be smuggled in. It’s already open for occasional humanitarian relief from Israel but Israel would not open the borders for much more.
4. Opening a sea port and an international airport that will be under UN inspectors.Same as above. With real muscle to stop weapons smuggling, and as part of an agreement with a Palestinian state, this is possible. But not now. It would be very easy to smuggle weapons past UN inspectors.
5. Expanding fishing zone for 10 kilometers from the shore.
In the past the fishing range has varied from 3 - 12 kilometers and this is possible as part of an agreement but again, with proper procedures to stop any weapons smuggling.
6. Turning the Rafah crossing into an international crossing under the inspection of the UN and ally Arab countries.A strong No from Israel. The only control Israel would trust would be officers from the Palestinian Authority. It’s all about Who can stop Hamas from smuggling weapons.
7. Halting fire while the Palestinian factions commit to a cease-fire for 10 years based on having International inspectors on the border with Gaza.This could only happen if Gaza is demilitarized. Israel’s fear is that Hamas would secretly rearm under the noses of international inspectors, whose presence would then tie Israel’s hands if Israel ever wanted to respond to fire from Gaza.
8. Israel should ease the access to and give permits to worshippers from Gaza strip to Al-Aqsa mosque.This has nothing to do with the Gaza conflict, and would merely be a reward for Hamas’ violence, handing it a big propaganda victory among Palestinians.
9. Israel cannot get involved in the internal Palestinian political issues and the political reconciliation process and what follows of elections for presidency and parliament.Israel’s vital security interests are so closely allied to events in the West Bank and Gaza that it must always remain involved. But what happens is mostly secret and will stay that way.
10. Reestablishing the industrial zones and improving the development in the Gaza Strip.Yes to this, but the factories must not be used to manufacture weapons. Anything that bolsters the economic and humanitarian development of Gaza would be supported, but Israel will be unmoved when it comes to security issues.
I Wouldn't dare to blow a gum bubble if I was living in Gaza, based on the pro-Palestinian claim of course, considering my opinion as common innocent voted for Hamas.
I would rather flee or live on a boat as far as possible from the borders, I would only seek for any possible way to avoid any sort of conflict, specially while my family and friends in the danger zone.
I Hope you people can explain this situation to me, perhaps I'm missing something like Billo said, once someone is firing rockets at you, you should try to find out the reason why they do so.
Peace,
Danny.
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